Topic: The Vampire Lestat (Read 4285 times)

Dizzy · « **on:** January 22, 2004, 05:06:59 pm »

Hey TVL, I have a request for ya.

I am working on trying to find the best looking ship to use as TMP version of a GSC model for OP. Firesoul and I have been coordinating on this for a while and have found no suitable heavy cruiser looking ship that fits the bill. FS would like to get the ship for his OPplus models pack because there is a seperate folder for the GSC. It also will be used as the GSCX when it comes out in the adv era.

Reason I am asking you is because I took a look at the Oriskany you did. It is a beautiful ship and I think if the shuttle bay is chopped off just outside where the phaser hardpoints are and sensor dishes are added instead, it would be perfect. FS has agreed this will round out TMP ships he has extra folders for in his opplus models project.

Kinda like this:

Is this something you would be interested in doing? If not, would you allow another interested modeler to take on the task?

I am also planning on slightly altering the textures, as I am very good at it, but will of course send whatever I do to you for approval 1st.

I am also looking for a few insignia ideas for the ship. I can make them myself, countoured, redlined, and all nice and sparkly, but its a pain in the ass for me and takes a while to look as perfect as the best ones do. I dont believe in half measures

. So is there a resource I can get for faster insignias or a vault where some are secretly hidden for cool new ships?

Thu11s · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2004, 05:40:13 pm »

How about the Constellation class starship??

It's got decent shuttle bays for the fighters, is already CA size and has the blobs (non technical term obviously) for the sensor arrays.

"The Constellation-class starships are older Federation vessels from the early 24th century. Their main objective is deep-space exploration, scientific research missions, and defensive patrol duties"

from - http://www.lcarscom.net/fsd/starships/constellation.html

Its what I use. I believe there are a couple of very good models around for this already (Staryards or WZ spring to mid)

Thu11s

DonKarnage · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2004, 05:43:03 pm »

i got a ship like you want, its a dreadnought, i can put it on my website if you want it, anyway the pics is available on my web site at http://www.freewebs.com/eras-of-war/ in the mod section look at the bottom right of the page at the fed chart.

Dizzy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2004, 06:34:36 pm »

The constellation is in a class type of its own. Nice ship btw. However, since we are starting with TOS GSC, which is similar to TOS CA, then it would be nice to have TMP version resemble that as a modernization refit than a completely new ship design. Also, I have never seen or heard of a 4x warp engined ship in TOS. I may be wrong. But wouldnt you always be able to build 2 and sometimes 4x ships with 4x warp engines lying round? If you could, why waste 4x on one ship in TOS era. Did that have those kinda resources available then?

DonKarnage, I'm a fan of your old site. I see that you have the other skins and variants of the ships you posted available on demand on the current site. I'd like to maybe use the registry of one of those CA's for use on the new GSC I am talking about, providing someone even does it. Do you have any registries you'd consider donating for this project?

FireSoul · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2004, 07:08:52 pm »

This is a TOS model of the GSC. The GSC has 4 special sensors, and they're pretty much in the same positions on the SSD as they are shown here.

I need a TMP variant, if you please.

Dizzy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2004, 07:15:35 pm »

Yeah, but new TMP main dish array did away with the multi-directional sensors, did it not?

I can't picture in my head how you could have TMP type sensors hanging off TMP saucer... hehe.

FireSoul · « **Reply #6 on:** January 22, 2004, 07:17:23 pm »

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Yeah, but new TMP main dish array did away with the multi-directional sensors, did it not?

I can't picture in my head how you could have TMP type sensors hanging off TMP saucer... hehe.

Those are 'special sensors'. It's not quite the same. Besides, I want to keep accuracy with the SSDs.

.. I don't mind that they could look like something else that dishes, but I believe that something needs to be there.

-- Luc

Dizzy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2004, 07:24:00 pm »

OK, lets stop PMing each other, lol. Im getting confused, most of it ends up here anyway.

So what, have 'minature' sensor dishes hanging off the saucer>? I cant picture that in my head...

Thu11s · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:12:32 pm »

Well, how about a constellation style dish on a Constitution hull and engines? Might be interesting....

I thought the 'normal' sensors on the TMP consitution were on the under side of the dish in the middle (the nipple like thingy) and the big blue thing strapped on the hull was the deflector array, used for deflecting tiny space dust particles etc (kinda nasty at warp speeds impacting on the hull me thinks!) although later becoming starfleets swiss army knife/can do all in the Trek films

Also, why would a starships have a defelctor dish on the rear?? always wondered that. I guess in theory they could go backwards as fast as they can go forwards, but why would you, handy for retrograding I presume....

Anyway, Constellation dish on a Constitution, just a thought

Thu11s

Ooh, afterthought. 4x warp nacelles may be more efficient than 2 (not that i know anything about warp theory mechanics stuff) If its a Galactic Survey Cruiser, perhaps its missions were much longer than those of normal cruisers so 4 nacelles proved better for the longer distances? Also adds built in redundancy....

Marauth · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:29:20 pm »

4 Nacelles means that you can run them alternatly in pairs of 2 doubling the lifespan of the warp coil thingies.

What I would suggest to keep with the SSD is to put 4 WADE units, one at each corner, you can find them on Atrahasis' Siva and Constant class ships, though I'd suggest you change the colour from pink to blue. Put them on a Connie and you're done.

But I myself would also use a 4 nacelled ship for the long-duration missions I would suggest the Cheetah on the Eras of War site - compact, not too heavily armed.

Thu11s · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:31:29 pm »

Hows this....

Made from P81's conny and Cleeve's Constellation (pretty sure its his)

What you think, suit your needs?

Thu11s

FireSoul · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:34:08 pm »

I would love to go fetch these examples, but .. the Ark's images and downloads seem to be down.

Mariner · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:38:07 pm »

Actually, those are both P81 models. Still kickass nontheless.

BTW, wouldn't the Bonaventure from TAS suit this role too, perhaps even a refited version? Just a thought...

FireSoul · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:51:59 pm »

What ARE those rear bubbles?

Dizzy · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:00:48 pm »

I think a compromise could be achieved...

I'd go with my idea of using TVL's Oriskany, chopping off the shuttlebays and adding in sensor dishes, I'll retexture the side hull adding in bay doors, and then FS's idea taking the saucer and adding 4x mini-flashlights to the each of the 4x corners. The main sensor dish looks like a flashlight to me

so we would have 2x on the aft hull and 4x matching mini-dishes on the saucer. Talk about omni-directional massive sensor arrays! You can run from her, but you can't hide!

I'll see if I can make a pic...

WickedZombie45 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:10:24 pm »

Actually, just to clarify, that's P81's old Connie and a modified version of Moonraker's Constellation model.

Marauth · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:24:43 pm »

Indeed - though there is a retexture of it with P81 style textures that would make the whole thing blend much better.

Chrystoff · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:49:10 pm »

Thu11's, I hope you'll release that ship! That would make an awesome exploratory cruiser or GSC.

Dizzy · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2004, 10:14:29 pm »

TVL, here ya go. Something with my idea and FS's idea. What do you think?

I'll add the textures for the Bay Doors for the fighters and shuttle craft into the side of the aft hull.

Oh, and I only did one of the 4x mini-dishes as an example. Its similar to FS 's TOS GSC he has pictured above.

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