Topic: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!  (Read 6408 times)

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Azel

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Here she is...Hope you like
 

I think Rogue NineCH will be attempting the kitbash
Thanks everyone
   

Chrystoff

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2004, 10:41:04 am »
I think it needs more torpedo launchers!!  

Kaenyne

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 11:01:58 am »
Hey Azel!

Looks like you drew up an uber Belknap Class!

She'll  even scare the socks off a Klingon Battlecruiser!

Tus

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 11:57:05 am »
 awesome dude, keep the ships a rolling

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 04:05:07 pm »
 
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 I think it needs more torpedo launchers!!  

 




LOL

I don't know why I put so many on...but I guess it was time that I try my own uber-cruiser???


 
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 Hey Azel!

Looks like you drew up an uber Belknap Class!

She'll even scare the socks off a Klingon Battlecruiser!  




She's a" tad" stronger than the Belknap...but alot slower max  speed with one nacelle and all
nor does she have the science labs of a connie...she is just built for deep interdiction and strike...and
the occasional patrol  

Rod O'neal

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 09:39:18 pm »
From the front view it looks like the neck might be a tad long, but other than that I like the design. Are those torp launchers or Kzinti/Mirak Drone racks? j/k Nice looking though, as always, man.  

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2004, 10:06:02 pm »
nice man very nice
got a few more that youd like to shear

sandman69247

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2004, 10:10:02 pm »
Very cool, a high power uber-PT Boat.  

Reverend

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2004, 11:30:54 pm »
nice design....  you'rea real snazzy penciller....  

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2004, 11:18:44 am »
 
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nice man very nice
got a few more that youd like to shear
 




I always have Ideas...but if you have something in mind.....

 
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 Very cool, a high power uber-PT Boat.  




 

 
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nice design.... you'rea real snazzy penciller....  




Thanks man...that sketch is like 4 inches...lol  

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2004, 11:27:31 am »
 
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 I always have Ideas...but if you have something in mind.....



i heve planty just wait for the weakend ive got a few more in my slive just waiting for me to realise them
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starforce2

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2004, 01:12:34 pm »
What's this about a 4 inch pencil?

Fury_of_a_Seraph

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2004, 01:23:05 pm »
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What's this about a 4 inch pencil?  




......-_-.....

Reverend

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2004, 01:30:07 pm »
Ha, ha, ha, Starforce, wish I could have thought of that one!  

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2004, 02:03:21 pm »
a 4 inch pencil is imo a very thick pencil in wich case that sort of ticknese wuld maike it imposible to draw

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2004, 04:23:56 pm »
LOL!!!!
 

Nice... but can we please stick to the subject

Thanks mates  

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2004, 05:17:26 pm »
Here's another take on the design...some differences
I am not to sure if I like it though

   

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2004, 02:11:17 pm »
   

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2004, 02:31:29 pm »
now this one will shure explode witut the new reinfosed sructual integraty fealds
but its stil gret  

tng era that is
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Kaenyne

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2004, 02:32:10 pm »
Whoops!

Got wrapped up in all my stuff I forgot to comment on your new version, Azel!

I like it about as much as the first, but really like th eshape of the seondary hull, minus nacelles, weapons pods, etc.

I dunno...I just looks cool.

To be completely honest, I miss your Hellion, Neophyte and Monster releases. They are just so cool...my game is chock full of 'em.

I know you like to try all sorts of things, and I think you should follow your own heart, but your creations are THE most beautiful and unique things I have ever seen for SFC.

So there.  
 

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2004, 02:32:17 pm »
sory duble post
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Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2004, 09:46:29 pm »
Here's an Updated pic...I like this one more

 

Well at least a little more satisfied  

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2004, 11:05:44 am »
no ideas???
 

Kaenyne

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2004, 11:18:02 am »
Much smoother, sleeker look this time.

Hmmm...the photon tubes on the dorsal and ventral saucer seem...argh, like a bad idea.
I dunno, sitting on the bridge while matter-antimatter weapons streak away seems like a dangerous, if not loud, experience for captain and command crew.

 

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2004, 12:27:02 pm »
 
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 no ideas???
 



whell you cold make the photon lunchers thet go thru the sensore aray go below but they shuld origenaite from the same plase that they do now
how's that for an idea?

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2004, 01:27:16 pm »
 
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 Much smoother, sleeker look this time.

Hmmm...the photon tubes on the dorsal and ventral saucer seem...argh, like a bad idea.
I dunno, sitting on the bridge while matter-antimatter weapons streak away seems like a dangerous, if not loud, experience for captain and command crew.
 




I agree ...but due to the nature of the ship's mission...they are very much needed
also improves the ships direct fire arc

 
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 whell you cold make the photon lunchers thet go thru the sensore aray go below but they shuld origenaite from the same plase that they do now
how's that for an idea?  




I like that too ...maybe on a variant...or a more less conspicuos ship lol
 

starforce2

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2004, 06:54:12 pm »
am I the onbly one who thinks the nacelle is to slow to the centerline?

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2004, 06:05:31 am »
ive got some designs of nacels for the tmp era that are quite good if you need any jus let me know

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2004, 08:57:10 am »
post them...Ill see what I can do  

MajorRacal

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2004, 11:02:43 am »
I don't think I've got a  reputation here as being something of a nay-sayer, and I can see a lot of folk seem to like this idea, but can I be negative and say "No!"?    All those photon launcher grafts are overkill - but worse than that, they're ugly.  Please abort this.

MajorRacal  

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2004, 11:22:47 am »
 
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I don't think I've got a reputation here as being something of a nay-sayer, and I can see a lot of folk seem to like this idea, but can I be negative and say "No!"?  All those photon launcher grafts are overkill - but worse than that, they're ugly. Please abort this.
 




 

Its cool man...like I said earlier in the post...this is my "fan-boyish"- "Uber-Cruiser"
its not for anything special...just somthing that I liked, and wanted to do
the ship is actually practical though...especially in wartime, or in a time of desperation, or just mirror universe...but I didn't do it for that
I did it for me
If you look at my track record...all my stuff has been out there...this is just another extension...but in a fun way,
you don't have to like it...Its cool with me...I cannot be expected to please everyone all the time lol

so in saying that let me have some fun
because I am  

MajorRacal

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2004, 12:42:26 pm »
Well I can't grudge you some play time...  

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2004, 04:01:21 pm »
   

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2004, 03:08:41 pm »
 here  it is
hope you like them, i copy'd acopele from a site that is probably down now some are modifide
and besids evry ship i do has its own nucele design
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Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2004, 10:47:58 pm »
Thanks man...I'll see what I can do
   

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2004, 10:59:57 am »
Personally, I don't see this as being any less feasible than the Couer De Lion.. if that single nacelle were a double side by side arrangement.  Then it'd have the speed necessary to get where it was going.  Though I'm thinking that you're going to need another set of impulse engines somewhere to power all those photons.. (remembering that wormhole scene in ST:TMP where they had to fire photons instead of phasers due to phasers going through the warp engines and photons not)..

If you can wait on this until this upcoming weekend, I might be able to help out on it.  

sandman69247

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2004, 11:32:20 am »
I agree with Alec...put another nacelle on her, kinda like one of the Remora variants that were done, maybe in a V or over/under. Either way though, I still say it's not an uber-cruiser, but a 24th century PT boat.  

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2004, 12:24:04 pm »
hay  Aziel wht abult a4 nucel desgien?

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2004, 01:36:15 pm »
I'd like to see a variant of this beast
so yeah Alec, Go for it

Core:
I try to stay away from too many nacelle ships...but I guess I could give it a try
 

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2004, 07:19:42 pm »
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I'd like to see a variant of this beast
so yeah Alec, Go for it

Core:
I try to stay away from too many nacelle ships...but I guess I could give it a try
 




What I was thinking of was simple really.. and it'd still look exactly the same on a side profile.  Simply put just add the second nacelle like that one Remora variant..


              Nacelle1  ->[']|[']<-  Nacelle2
                                   |||   <- Pylon
                                 /''''''\ <- Hull

You just double up the single nacelle is all, and it won't substantially change the look at all.  And that'd bring the speed of the ship up, plus add some other benefits like a more even warp field with less work, less screaming from the purists, more efficient drive system, faster accumulation of Starfleet Dilthium Fuel Points for getting the captain free munchies and pop for a crew of 150, and added durability on the warp system because you can run it less hard.  All in all a good time would be had by all..

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2004, 03:46:48 pm »
Ok here's a TNG version I did a Few weeks back
And Mackie gave me some lightmaps for her Today...And did these AWESOME PICS!!!
I am expecting some Renders from another master...SteelViper  
Thanks MACKIE!!!!
 
 
   

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2004, 11:12:59 am »
intresting how abult a 29th century version?

InterMech

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2004, 04:40:11 am »
Looks great!!!

"Atolm! Atolm! Atolm!" [the crowd goes wild!]  

starforce2

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2004, 07:06:35 am »
holly crap...that's alot of torpedoes..

Core

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2004, 11:27:31 am »
notheng holy abault that this is from the nine hells, or some other hell dimention
if alredy its demon crap
 
becose nothing this sinister can be holy
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Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2004, 01:55:16 pm »
Nine Hells....Nah
That's tame compared to what I have drawn for that particular topic  

Kaenyne

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2004, 02:10:50 pm »
I really like this TNG Geraldo you've done, Azel!

When she's done, ya gotta put her up for download!

 

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2004, 02:22:32 pm »
She's Done if you want her....
I'll post the link tonight

I just thought that no one wanted her...So I didn't earlier
 

Tus

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2004, 10:53:26 pm »
atolm asked me to post her when i was done with my textures, so here are a few pics while i wait for his final approval...... (that could take a bit lol)

   

the rest will be links for 56k peps

please excuse the bright pics(she is alot darker than these renders care to show), i didn't feel like changing the brightness when i did my render

http://home.ec.rr.com/theops/alseides-front.jpg
http://home.ec.rr.com/theops/alseides-left.jpg
http://home.ec.rr.com/theops/alseides-top.jpg
http://home.ec.rr.com/theops/alseides-p1.jpg
http://home.ec.rr.com/theops/alseides-p2.jpg
http://home.ec.rr.com/theops/alseides-p3.jpg

enjoy  

Tus    

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2004, 03:20:54 am »
Looking good.. and now that the Reyes is done (although I did notice something I need to fix on one of lightmaps), I'm ready to start the TMP Alseides.

Have picked the components and am starting tomorrow on it..

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2004, 11:58:12 am »
Awesome job mate!!!
I salute you
And Thanks!!!
   

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2004, 03:22:02 pm »
np man.. and I already have "proof of concept" shots..

This is a ways from being released because there's color matching, texture rebuilding and some tweaks to the mesh yet.. but thought that you'd like to see this.. (Day 1).







Nicely shows that the torpedos would miss the nacelle supports in the back (just) plus how some of the other shots line up..

Not too bad a start..

Tus

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2004, 03:34:01 pm »
looks great dude wish i was on that end of the spectrum for textures

ok and for the other part of the post, i got bored.... really bored you could say

   
thats 18 torps though  1 is hidden as it flys of in the lower right hand corner  

Tus  

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2004, 03:38:19 pm »
Alec That's awesome!!!
But you need to use a Connie secondary hull and Miranda torp bays for the wings and belly
 
Tus,
THAT IS CRAZY!!!!
lol
So Cool!!!
I would hate to me on the other end lol
   

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2004, 12:58:24 pm »
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Alec That's awesome!!!
But you need to use a Connie secondary hull and Miranda torp bays for the wings and belly




You mean more like this?  (grin)


And a new front shot showing the current changes:


Ans some other pretties..





So this is (I think) complete for meshing.. but I have to scare up some permissions and do some more texture work before release yet.

But I'm also planning on releasing this one differently.  Because it's so pretty, I'm going to put the textures in a seperate internal archive, with the *stock* textures for the parts in the main part.  And the seperate internal archive is going to be set up that you have to agree not to port those textures out of SFC.  This is how I'm also going to be releasing any new ships of Mackie's.  Getting kind of tired seeing work migrating to BC without appropriate credit or notification being given, so with the *stock* textures being included, there'll be no reason for any port to use my (or SFC released) textures.  They can replace them with appropriate textures from other ports, or create them.  Or quite simply, they can ask to use the custom texture pack.

And what's so cool about this texture pack?  Well, one of my experiments sort of paid off.. I now have semi-dynamic lighting in the arboritum.  When light shines in there, the ceiling, floor, and walls look like they normally do.  As the light in there gets dimmer though, the stars come out on the ceiling, the spotlights turn on on the floor, and the walls light around the doors and kind of a twilighty thing happens on the wall.  Looks kind of neat, even in Model Viewer.  

Looks something like this:



Did this a good while back on the rextexture additions I did on WZ-DTW-Hig's FCA, and I'm incorporating it into the Alseides as kind of a pre-release for WZ-DTW-Hig's FCA.  Just have to go talk to WZ about permission to release both of these.. and they'll be downloading onto a computer near you soon after.    Took this long because I was waiting on some glows to come back.. but they haven't after several months, so I'm releasing my own with it.

Again, for anyone planning to port this out of SFC...you are *not* to use the custom texture pack without permission from me, or the other original authors.  I've included stock base textures in the main archive to show you which textures I used in this kitbash, and which ones you need to beef up, rebuild, or replace with ones of your own.


« Last Edit: February 06, 2004, 01:00:04 pm by atheorhaven »

Chrystoff

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2004, 01:14:01 pm »
Uh, er, WOW!!!! Talk about "first kill capability."    

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2004, 02:21:11 pm »
Hey thats awesome work mate!!!
But you have to change the neck back to your first attempt
That neck was more accurate

Thanks again man
   

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2004, 09:06:59 am »
   

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2004, 01:14:47 pm »
I'll give 'er a try, but it's likely to stretch the neck textures a lot.  But we'll see how it goes..

Other than that though.. how is it looking for you?  Do you like the rest of what I've done with the ship?

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2004, 03:13:30 pm »
Okay, clear your cache and look at the above pictures again.. I've replaced them with updated shots showing the new neck and various views...

Azel

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2004, 06:13:29 pm »
That looks great..you just have to get rid of that aft torpedo unter the saucer that is facing the neck...as it is supposed to be connected straight across
   

Rogue NineCH

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2004, 06:19:07 pm »
Awesome job!  I'll be happy to host it for you along with a btach of TVL's ships I am uploading at the end of the week.  

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2004, 01:25:51 am »
Alright.. I'll work on it later on tomorrow and get that connected so it's finished.  

atheorhaven

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Re: New Geraldo missile cruiser refit(Atolm Style)...Alseides-Class!!!!
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2004, 03:34:26 pm »
Okay, fixed.. I'm ready to do a release tonight after I get home..

This is going to be another big file for Atolm, slightly smaller for general release.