Topic: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread  (Read 18763 times)

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FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #180 on: March 25, 2004, 01:50:22 pm »
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Is the R-SKL supposed to be showing the BH model with the Skyhawk UI?  




No models pack, right?

Corbomite

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #181 on: March 25, 2004, 01:56:12 pm »
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Is the R-SKL supposed to be showing the BH model with the Skyhawk UI?  




No models pack, right?  




Correct.

FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #182 on: March 25, 2004, 01:59:36 pm »
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Is the R-SKL supposed to be showing the BH model with the Skyhawk UI?  




No models pack, right?  




Correct.  




Yeah. Found it. It's a simple thing to fix too. However I'm at work at the moment. I just need to set it up to copy the RDE model instead of RDD to opplus/models/RDD.

 

ghostcamel

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #183 on: March 28, 2004, 02:55:48 am »
Request for more ISC ship models please, or spread the ones present now through more of the fleet. Like the HDWs and BCV.

A couple BPV questions,

The ISC BCV is 262bpv it has weapons of a CCZ but power of CAZ. The CCZ is 229 Bpv. How was BPV calculated for this ship? How about the I-CCX? Its a really good ship, but not better than a I-XCA... is it?

A request:

Could someone explain battletugs/tugs and Monitors to me? Some SFB background and their actual uses in SFC would be great . Thanks.

And praise:

Split PPD mounts are the best thing ever!

I love the I-BBVZ Its BPV is just right.

Thank You, again, for all the hard work  It is greatly appreciated.....

now back to work till all the ISC ships look as preeety as the Feddies  

 
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Julin Eurthyr

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2004, 05:18:36 pm »
SFB Tugs etc.

In SFB, in addition to the extremely slow freighters, there are "line" warships converted to a cargo carrying role.  Tugs and Light Tactical Transports (LTTs).

The original tug was from the Franz Joseph Technical Manual (the Ptlomey).  Notice how it looks like a cruiser with a giant pod slung / towed underneath.  SFB created "pallet", which fulfill the same role as pods for certain races.

These pods are normally bulk-freight carriers, but someone designed pods filled with such things as weapons, fighter hangers, power systems, etc.

When these special pods are fitted to the tugs, you get the "special" tugs like battle tugs (carrying battle pods), carrier tugs (with hanger pods), etc.

Monitors:

Special ships designed to have DN level firepower.  Due to cost-saving measures, the engines are barely capable of moving the ship.  They are normally towed to an important system where they are assigned system-defense duties.  If a monitor was theoretically sent on a fixed-position assault or an escort mission, the monitor is so slow that it would take forever to get to the target / destination...

FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #185 on: March 30, 2004, 07:18:11 pm »
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Request for more ISC ship models please, or spread the ones present now through more of the fleet. Like the HDWs and BCV.





.. I have a model for the HDWs..
.. as for the BCV, I don't consider making a model a correction.

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A couple BPV questions,
The ISC BCV is 262bpv it has weapons of a CCZ but power of CAZ. The CCZ is 229 Bpv. How was BPV calculated for this ship? How about the I-CCX? Its a really good ship, but not better than a I-XCA... is it?





The BCV is a carrier and is listed at 263 BPV.
  - 2 points per basic fighter.. There are 8, so 16 for the fighters. So that brings the ship down to .. 247 BPV
(BTW, the BCV itself is a modified CCZ.)
  - next, SFC:OP has a BPV tax on the PLaI torps. (the PLaIs have more functionality than should be). On the CCZ and BCV, I had calculated this tax to be around 9 BPV. That means the CCZ should be worth 220 BPV if the PLaIs worked right, while the BCV is worth 238 BPV.  (see:  http://klingon.stasis.ca/OP_plusrefit/BPV_adjustments.html#BPVplasmaI )

That comes down to exactly what the SFB BPVs are for these ships. The I-CC (with rear PLaFs) is 220 BPV while the I-BCV is 238. I did it right. Note that the I-CCZ's BPV has remained unchanged from Stock SFC:OP.


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A request:
Could someone explain battletugs/tugs and Monitors to me? Some SFB background and their actual uses in SFC would be great . Thanks.
And praise:
Split PPD mounts are the best thing ever!
I love the I-BBVZ Its BPV is just right.
Thank You, again, for all the hard work  It is greatly appreciated.....
now back to work till all the ISC ships look as preeety as the Feddies  
   




As pretty as the Freddies..  yeah right.

FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #186 on: April 05, 2004, 10:40:19 am »
Progress report..

Model fixing:
60 models to do..
.. out of the current 223.
The Lyrans are done.
The Gorns are done.
The ISC are done.
The Klingons are done.
The Hydrans are done.


Other fixes that have been completed:
1- The L-CWS ship and variants has been added. (I've missed it, apparently)

Other enhancements:
1- Strafer's a fan of Thu11s' new Lyran models, so I've been adding some model separation in the shiplist for him for the LCA, LCC, DCA, DCC, DCCH..  .. there'll be more eventually, but that's all that Thu11s has released for now.

2- Strafer (yeah, him again) decided to do some work on the strings.txt himself. He reviewed all the shipclass names.
Ship classes have been reviewed and renamed to polish the works up. I don't know how many more are left to do.
ie: The G-BB is now called "Godzilla Battleship".

Other News:
I've bought myself a condo. I'm gonna be busy for a while moving stuff over (a few boxes a night type of thing) and preparing the place. We're in the process of painting the master bedroom (2nd primer layer should go on tonight). There's a lot of work to do, and it takes precedence over anything OP-related.


-- Luc
 

Age

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #187 on: April 05, 2004, 12:07:17 pm »
  How about your WebSite Klingonstasis.ca are you still keeping that lets all hope.I hope you enjoy your new place FireSoul I now it is pain to move but after that you can just sit back and be comfortable agian.  

FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #188 on: April 05, 2004, 03:33:14 pm »
Yes, I intend to keep that up. However..

.. there might be downtime during the move.

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #189 on: April 06, 2004, 08:17:17 pm »
Shouldn't the F-FDX be a freighter instead of a special class? I bring it up as it has become a bit of an issue in the GZ forums as an unbalacing designation in the TBPV format allowing the Feds to use it as a very cheap throw away ship at 24 BPV allowing them to spend the extra on larger hulls for the rest of the fleet. The Feds with the FDX (Federation Express) are the only race with such a low BPV ship available on GSA, the name of the ship and it's relative position in the shiplist file lead me to believe it might have actually been a freighter.

The_Infiltrator

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #190 on: April 06, 2004, 08:31:45 pm »
It is a freighter - just a abnormally fast one. Note the word "express".

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #191 on: April 06, 2004, 09:00:28 pm »
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It is a freighter - just a abnormally fast one. Note the word "express".  




That was my thinking, it just isn't classed as such in the list.

Strafer

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #192 on: April 06, 2004, 10:19:25 pm »
It was made playable for the sheer fun of it.

FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #193 on: April 06, 2004, 10:35:02 pm »
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It was made playable for the sheer fun of it.  




Bingo.

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #194 on: April 06, 2004, 10:46:28 pm »
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It was made playable for the sheer fun of it.  




Bingo.  




Unfortunate.

ghostcamel

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #195 on: April 06, 2004, 10:46:55 pm »
[quoteThat comes down to exactly what the SFB BPVs are for these ships. The I-CC (with rear PLaFs) is 220 BPV while the I-BCV is 238. I did it right. Note that the I-CCZ's BPV has remained unchanged from Stock SFC:OP.




I see where my problem lies. I dont really think the BCV without the CCs 44 power is automatically worth 18 points more, just for the ability to carry restitutions.

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.. as for the BCV, I don't consider making a model a correction.
As pretty as the Freddies..  yeah right.  




Not sure what you mean here, if you mean ive inspired you to make some new 3dmodels for ISC, my job here is done

I found the models i was refering to over at  FeralYards<---i meant 3d models, not new ships specifications.I was pretty happy with the BCV, then i saw the BBCV,  and the new light carriers. ISC got a bunch of new stuff, like everybody. Im happy. Ive wanted a BCV for so long, and unfortunately im not an SFB guy. I couldnt research them myself. Then to come back and see one, even an underpowered one, included in a widely accepted shiplist was just fantastic.

I dont think i noticed a difference in the HDWs from stock CLs ,ill check again.

And just to confirm, OP+ 3.2 is a 143mb file right? Not 43?

   

FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #196 on: April 06, 2004, 10:57:01 pm »
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It was made playable for the sheer fun of it.  




Bingo.  




Unfortunate.  




I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

FireSoul

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #197 on: April 06, 2004, 10:58:42 pm »
1- I know those models.. and to tell you honestly, I don't like them much. It doesn't fit in with the scheme well.

2- .. OP+ 3.2: size: 43.4mb
 

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #198 on: April 06, 2004, 11:05:04 pm »
How about making everyones APT's playable then, that way everyone can share in the fun and any of the particular TBPV balance issues do to one race having a low end ship at half the cost of everyone elses goes away?

Kroma_BaSyl

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Re: OP+ 3.2 Corrections Thread
« Reply #199 on: April 06, 2004, 11:10:09 pm »
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It was made playable for the sheer fun of it.  




Bingo.  




Unfortunate.  




I have seen no evidence to the contrary.  




As I alluded to above it causes certian issues with total BPV matches, since only one race has a flyable ship at such a low BPV. Giving everyone a similarly low BPV ship would solve that issue while allowing the FDX to still be enjoyed as it currently is.