Topic: New Enterprise tonight very cool show (Read 7454 times)

Khalee · « **on:** February 19, 2003, 08:00:34 pm »

The Tholians ships very cool looking.

The other ships also very cool looking.

One of the better shows to date other than dead stop. Gets two thumbs up from me.

The Stormwalker · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2003, 08:06:51 pm »

Two things I found interesting:

1. The futrue ship was bigger inside then out, that was pretty neat.

2. The Tholians were bad news. I counted 4 of them and they trashed the Vulcan warship and all those Sulliban by them selves.

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2003, 08:07:08 pm »

I missed the first half hour (after the intro)

The last thing I saw was that they thought the body was Zephram Cocrane, then they were running from the Tholians and Suliban.

What was the first half hour about?

Khalee · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2003, 08:11:47 pm »

Dont know I missed the first part of it as well, Have to watch it again sunday. Tape it too maybe.

Tyranus · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2003, 08:12:00 pm »

did ya see the bird of prey in the future device archer and t'pol were lookin at? ; )

Arcilte · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2003, 09:34:50 pm »

It was a pretty good show. Next weeks looks good too. They seem to have put episodes with some action on. The last couple had some good fights.

Subspace · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2003, 09:49:46 pm »

yes i would say its becoming a good show !!!! it always takes time

Reffet · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2003, 09:52:07 pm »

Quote:

did ya see the bird of prey in the future device archer and t'pol were lookin at? ; )

Nope, but I did see a Vor'cha

Tirus · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2003, 12:52:42 am »

I think this might have been the best episode so far. Better script and a few neat ideas. Also took a bow to previous ST shows and movies. Hope they keep the writer(s) who did this particular episode.

NJAntman · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2003, 07:11:29 am »

What I liked the most was the ending. No explanation of why it disappeared, who took it, or what side the Tholians represent. Have to get away from the "solve it all in 60 minutes Voyager pattern " before this show can become better.

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2003, 09:45:15 am »

I thought it was interesting that the Tholians were going to board Enterprise, I couldn't wait to see my first Tholian! But alas, I KNEW they woudn't show one in the ... erm.. "flesh".

SghnDubh · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2003, 10:13:11 am »

REPEAT AFTER ME, PEOPLE!!!!!

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

YOU CAN'T FIRE PHASERS AT WARP.

BERMAN!!!! ARE YOU LISTENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!!

(SghnDubh now checks himself into therapy.)

Lepton1 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2003, 11:16:19 am »

Yeah, isn't that fun how they make up these rules like phasers can't fire at warp and then violate them pell-mell? Ok so now I want my phasers to fire at warp and I want shields at warp in SFC3. If enterprise can polarize armour plating at warp, surely two centuries later we can have shields at warp.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2003, 11:52:14 am »

Ok, unless it's been mentioned somewhere else I'm not aware of the "phaser's cannot fire at warp" began with the first motion picture. The problem is that the movie doesn't actually state that they cannot.

The enterprise goes to warp, but has an engine imbalance, and enters a wormhole. Kirk give the order to ready phasers, but Decker counters the order and has Chekov ready photons. Kirk wants to know why, Decker responds "Sir, the Enterprise's redesign increases phaser power by channeling it through the main engines. When they went into anti-matter imbalance, the phasers were automatically cut off."

So, we know that phasers are physically capable of being fired at warp. Otherwise, Kirk never would have given the order. Also we find that phasers, which are now routed through the main engines, cannot be fired during an engine imbalance, rather than not firing at warp at all.

They also had shields during warp, as Kirk orders the forward shields to full during the wormhole incident.

SghnDubh · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2003, 01:05:38 pm »

Well.....OK see below, but I don't EVER remember Kirk firing Phasers at warp in TOS. Help me out here.

Anyway from Ex Astris Scientia (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies5c.htm)

Phasers

Phaser beams There is only one definite fact about phasers, that they release stored energy and need to be recharged at latest after some shots, as opposed to lasers whose energy output is continous. A phaser beam probably doesn't consist of charged particles (ions) either, because the beam would quickly disperse due to the mutual repulsion of equally charged ions and because it would be rather easy to shield a ship against them with a static electromagnetic field. The shields in Star Trek, however, are always high-frequency fields, and they are probably not electromagnetic, but of gravitational nature. It is even more nebulous of what exactly the beams of phasers consist since VOY: "Scorpion" when the weapons were suddenly capable of firing macroscopic objects in the form of nanoprobes. No matter how hard I try, I can't imagine how they could survive in there, unless the phaser worked similar to a transporter, meaning that some sort of annular confinement beam can be added or is intrinsically available, just as the transporter beam that keeps macroscopic objects in one piece.

Phasers at warp
We have occasionally seen phasers being fired at warp, like in VOY: "Message in a Bottle" or DS9: "Treachery, Faith and the Great River". If the phaser were anything like a laser in that it released photons, it would be restricted to exactly the speed of light. A particle beam consisting of ions, on the other hand, could reach any desired speed below c. A confinement beam, like already mentioned above, could be the solution to this problem too. If this beam extends the warp bubble around the phaser beam, the beam itself would be able to travel at FTL speed. A similar technology is used for FTL processing in 24th century computer cores, according to the TNGTM, and the warp sustainer engine of a photon torpedo (see further below) may work like this too in that it "grabs" the warp field from a starship. The problem is that this kind of confinement would have to be still another one than the confinement beam that would allow objects like nanoprobes to "ride" on a phaser beam.

Probably in response to previous inconsistencies, the DS9TM explicitly mentions the possibility of firing phasers at warp, thanks to the recent development of an "ACB-jacketed beam device".

BRING ON THE ARGUMENT!

--SghnDubh

Stylsy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2003, 03:34:35 pm »

Well in Silent Enemy I think, Malcom said he couldn't fire the cannons as he needed to compensate for particle drift. He must have compensated by this episode.

SghnDubh · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2003, 05:49:42 pm »

Aldaron,

You owe me $17.99 x 6 because now I have to buy the friggin TOS episodes on DVD and re-watch them.

So yes there seems to be plenty of evidence to the contrary, but I distinctly remember someone say that phasers can't fire at warp during a TNG episode. I can't remember if it was "Q Who" and they were being chased at high warp by the cube & therefore only shot torps, or another one.

I don't need anything else to do, but this is bugging me. Gonna have to research it.

La'ra · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2003, 07:31:05 pm »

I like that they're getting away from that rule, no matter how much scientific sense it makes.

It looks cooler when you fire them at warp.

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