Topic: phaser question?

[DonKarnage]

in st2 the wofk what is the megaphaser that the avenger class reliant have?, is it the g  the g2 the the a or b or y?, there nothing about that so i was wondering what type of phaser could do such damage to the enterprise hull????, also  i was wondering the fdn (tos) have 2 deflector dish 1 in front and 1 in the back, plus the shuttle bay is in front, so in the mod pack the heavy battlecruiser starleague class should be the real tmp federation class dreadnought not the one like wz made (its still a good ship) but its not the real federation class. its just a simple fact  

[Bernard Guignard]

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in st2 the wofk what is the megaphaser that the avenger class reliant have?, is it the g  the g2 the the a or b or y?, there nothing about that so i was wondering what type of phaser could do such damage to the enterprise hull????, also  i was wondering the fdn (tos) have 2 deflector dish 1 in front and 1 in the back, plus the shuttle bay is in front, so in the mod pack the heavy battlecruiser starleague class should be the real tmp federation class dreadnought not the one like wz made (its still a good ship) but its not the real federation class. its just a simple fact    

Jeez Don that's a loaded question we were never told what type of phasers they were and the fact that Khan was firing
at an unshielded ship means that they might have been the weakest type of phasers around to create that damage. Keep in mind that according to franz Joseph's Technical manual. The Federation class dreadnought was never built to its TOS Specifications there might have been a change in the design making the ship look more like the TMP Federation class from
the Starship Design manual. In the end its what ship design your happy with to play in the modded universe.      

[DonKarnage]

sure but since it was the megapaher that shoot it must be something more that basic phaser, you can see when kirk shoot back the damage was not as high as when the reliant have fire on the enterprise, sure the enterprise was not as close but still the damage was on the impulse engine or near it, so the reliant never use the normal phaser on the enterprise just the mega phase. i will aslo ask another question on the forum for another ship.

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

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sure but since it was the megapaher that shoot it must be something more that basic phaser, you can see when kirk shoot back the damage was not as high as when the reliant have fire on the enterprise, sure the enterprise was not as close but still the damage was on the impulse engine or near it, so the reliant never use the normal phaser on the enterprise just the mega phase. i will aslo ask another question on the forum for another ship.  

Personally, i am of the belief that the Miranda/Avenger has no Mega-Phaser.
As far as TWoK goes, take these things into consideration.

1) when the Reliant fires on the Enterprise, her shields had not gone up yet
2) when the enterprise was firing on the Reliant, she was in a weakened state of power
3) think of when the enterprise blew the nacelle of the Reliant

4) personally, i think the phaseres of the Enterprise and the Reliant were equally matched, maybe a slight amount in the Enterprise on the Saucer phasers, and Perhaps the Top-phasers on the Reliant (the so called Mega-Phasers) are a bit more powerful than those on the Enterprise, but not enough for them to be considered Mega-Phasers

[Magnum357]

Ya, I kinda agree.  I find it hard too beleive that the Mirandas could handle a Mega Phaser on such a small hull.  I kinda want too consider the weapons as a standard Phaser (maybe even a Type 3 Defense Phaser from SFB).  When Savik says that the Reliant Outguns the Enterprise, you got too remember that the Enterprise suffered major Damage earlier, most of the damage on Power systems.  If those Phasers are just normal Phasers, with the weakened state of the Enterprise, its battle value was not as high as the Reliants (even if those side Phasers where mere SFB type PH3's).  According too the Daystrom institute, the Mirandas are basically Destroyers (maybe Light Crusiers) while the Constitutions where starting too get so old and obsolete that they really where not much of a Heavy Crusier anymore (which is why the Enterprise was regulated too mostly Long Range Cadet Training in Federation Space).  

Now you might say "well then what replaced the Constitutions at this time?".  Well we really are not sure.  Its possible the Excelcior Class might have, but I kinda want too think the Excelciors more as a DN/BCH then a CL/CA.  Its possible another new Heavy Crusier could have replaced the aging Constitutions, maybe the Constellation Class (Star Gazer) or another possible Crusier the we never was able too see.  

Anyway, I don't think those Phasers where Mega Phasers, but just additional Phasers added too the intitial Design.  We see a Ton of different Variants of the Mirandas so adding a couple more Phaser Mounts would not have been hard too do.

[SPQR Renegade001]

Consider too that aside from the point blank range and lack of shielding, Khan had studied the detailed schematics of both the original and the refit Enterprise. He was a man of superior intelect, and would have known week points in both the ship and her crew. He had access to the Enterprise's duty roster, and would likely have know that it was maned by a trainee crew (to call them "green" would have been a compliment at that point). He didn't need to cause major structural damage to the ship, simply to disrupt it's operations and power distribution.

 

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Spock: They knew exactly where to hit us.

Given a vetran crew that knew what needed doing and didn't need leaders to tell them to do the job, it's quite possible that the damage could have been repaired in a mater of hours. With the trainee crew, the chain of command would have spent more time assessing damage and mustering damage control teams, than actually repairing it.
   

[DonKarnage]

hmmm so none of use know if its mega phaser or not

well anyway i will consider theme to be small like g2 phaser (other wise there useless) since the miranda/reliant have phaser on the hull like the enterprise, for what ship was going to replace the constitution well its would have ben the excelsior since in tsfp st3 when the enterprise return to spacedock the experimental excelsior was ready to be lunch so it must have ben the next class. or another refit constitution class since in st4 at the end the got a new enterprise constitution class thet needed to be finetune (scotty was busy fixing everything on the ship in st5)

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

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hmmm so none of use know if its mega phaser or not

well anyway i will consider theme to be small like g2 phaser (other wise there useless) since the miranda/reliant have phaser on the hull like the enterprise, for what ship was going to replace the constitution well its would have ben the excelsior since in tsfp st3 when the enterprise return to spacedock the experimental excelsior was ready to be lunch so it must have ben the next class. or another refit constitution class since in st4 at the end the got a new enterprise constitution class thet needed to be finetune (scotty was busy fixing everything on the ship in st5)  

No there has to be something in between the Connie and the Excelsior.
Think about it, The Ent - the FLAGSHIP of its time, was reduced to a training vessel well before the PROTOTYPE Excelsior came out. There had to be an intermediary, and i like the Constellation idea. Either that or the Refit Connie and the Connie2 are very different in capabilities

[nx_adam_1701]

I believe in my opinion that the miranda is atleast equal in strength or alittle higher than that of the constitution class because for one reason her class type is Miranda Class New Heavycruiser almost sounds like a replacement title, not to mention her specs included stronger shields than the enterprise but like others said the shields were down, it did do significant damage for her to withdraw but she still managed to get a couple of phasers shots, and engines were still up, and etc... in my mod the Miranda is alittle slightly more powerful and not even in weapons maybe a phaser or so, but more shields and etc...

adam out

[nx_adam_1701]

I dont think it a mega phaser, everyone knows that the phasers aboard a fed in that time were usually in the saucer section, and in DS9 Paradise Lost, you can see the Lakota bend down alittle to be able to fire on the defiant, it seems to me that those tmp ships had phaser either Forward Ventral or dorsal and Starboard\port ventral or dorsal, they had to use a certain angle to get the phasers targetted right, instead of mega phasers it looks like just regular phasers that have the capacity to fire forward and aft and sideways without having to tilt, or something like that

adam out

[Marauth]

The Miranda is not a NCA, in SFC they made it the NCL/NCa because they're cheap gits who couldn't be arsed to make a separate NCA model. Besides which the NCAs in SFB are cheap, slightly less capable ships than the CA/CCs but which are much much easier to produce and so can be built in huge numbers.

Also you gotta think about the age of the Mirandas, their registries are only about 100 higher than the Constitution registries, they probably originate from a TOS version (like the Surya or Coventry from the manuals) and so would themselves be a good 35 to 40 years old by the time of ST2. The Constellations wouldn't be that much younger (NCC-1974 for the Constellation herself)

About the Constitution replacement, the average lifespan of Federation ships seems inordinately long - the Mirandas lasting well over a century and the Excelsiors almost as long. The Ambassadors lasted about 60 years before the Galaxy arrived to take over. I don't think all the connies would have been relegated to training duty like the big-E as the oldest Connies in the fleet were at the tim under 40 years old, assuming they built more than the initial batch of however many ships then some would be quite spritely - maybe 25 or 30 years old.

Or you could just design another ship to replace the Connie yourself...

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

So, let me try and refine a few thoughts here.

1) The Original Constition, THe Constitution Refit, and the Constitution 2 are all seperate ships: increasing in power from oldest to youngest.
2) The Surya, Surya-Refit (Which is what the Reliant was), and the Miranda are all seperate ships: increasing in power from oldest to youngest.

Why i think as such.

1) IF the Enterprise was assigned to Academy Duty, why would they build/recristen the Enterprise-A. Also, why would that ship be used for such an important mission as to escort the chancellor of the klingon high council. As such i believe that the Constitution Refit and the Constition 2 are in fact very different in capability and power

2) Uniformity, i think all ships went through this process. The Federation, to the Federation-Refit, to the Star League....Saladin, to Saladin-Refit, to Siva, so and and so forth. I mean hell, look at the uniforms even.  There was a comic i was browsing through, and Will Decker had come on baord the NON-REFITTED enterprise. He was wearing the Pajama uniforms (in fact scotty didnt like em), this means that while kirk was on his 5-year mission, many renovations were going on.

3) The Surya-Refit vs. The Connie-Refit. Yes i am of the belief, following this progression that the Reliant was indeed a Surya Refit, NOT a Miranda-class.  Reasons why i think the RELIANT was a Surya-Refit:

A) it was assigned to a scientific team, not the front lines.
B) it would be outgunned by the ENT (see below)
C) again, progression of the TYPE-1 > TYPE-1-Refit > TYPE 2 scheme

This is mind, the Connie-refit should out-gun the Surya-Refit. The reason why it didnt in TWoK follow:

A) Trannee Crew on ENT
B) Hardened crew on REL
C) ENT was on Minimal power when it attacked the REL
D) the attaack was unexpected, and the ENT didnt have time to raise its shields.

[Chrystoff]

According to "The Ships of the Starfleet" (Mastercom Data) here are the weapon loadouts for the vessels in question:

1. Enterprise (Refit):
Phasers: 6 banks of Augusta Ansadado RIM-12C Twin Mount
Phasers: 6 banks of 1 Augusta Ansadado RIM-14B Single Mount
Photon Torpedoes: 2 Skat-Rar MK 6 Launcher (Forward Only)

2. Reliant
Phasers: 6 banks of Augusta Ansadado RIM-12C Twin Mount
Phasers: 2 Asakaze Ordanance Systems "Emperor 60" Multi Directional Mega-Phaser Canon (MDPC)
Photon Torpedoes: 4 Skat-Rar MK 22 Launcher (2 Forward, 2 Aft)

It's up to you if you want to go with Mastercom Data sources, or not. I prefer them, because they are very exact, and have logical explanations for development of ship systems. Enterprise was the more powerful ship, with more powerful engines, greater range, and more power for the sheilds. The Reliant was no joke either, but empahasis placed on greater hanger space, heavy weapons, and low profile. The Enterprise makes up for the lack of megaphasers and aft firing torpedoes with excellent phaser coverage (18 banks total), with the energy to power them.

 

[Fury_of_a_Seraph]

Personally, i still dont think the Miranda or in this case Surya-Refit (if its my own pricate universe) should have mega-phasers.

I'll grant that the Miranda should at least have more powerful phasers on the roll bar, (maybe 1.5 times as powerful as the saucer phasers), but not MEGA-phasers.

[DonKarnage]

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According to "The Ships of the Starfleet" (Mastercom Data) here are the weapon loadouts for the vessels in question:

1. Enterprise (Refit):
Phasers: 6 banks of Augusta Ansadado RIM-12C Twin Mount
Phasers: 6 banks of 1 Augusta Ansadado RIM-14B Single Mount
Photon Torpedoes: 2 Skat-Rar MK 6 Launcher (Forward Only)

2. Reliant
Phasers: 6 banks of Augusta Ansadado RIM-12C Twin Mount
Phasers: 2 Asakaze Ordanance Systems "Emperor 60" Multi Directional Mega-Phaser Canon (MDPC)
Photon Torpedoes: 4 Skat-Rar MK 22 Launcher (2 Forward, 2 Aft)

It's up to you if you want to go with Mastercom Data sources, or not. I prefer them, because they are very exact, and have logical explanations for development of ship systems. Enterprise was the more powerful ship, with more powerful engines, greater range, and more power for the sheilds. The Reliant was no joke either, but empahasis placed on greater hanger space, heavy weapons, and low profile. The Enterprise makes up for the lack of megaphasers and aft firing torpedoes with excellent phaser coverage (18 banks total), with the energy to power them.

   

well its official but for the game what type of megaphaser is it?, the g the g2 the a the b or is it the y?, don't think its too big required too much that why its only on starbase for defence.

do you have more data like that, like for the belknap/decatur ect



 

[Chrystoff]

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 well its official but for the game what type of megaphaser is it?, the g the g2 the a the b or is it the y?, don't think its too big required too much that why its only on starbase for defence.

do you have more data like that, like for the belknap/decatur ect

I personally arm my NCC with 6 Type 1's (2fa, 2rs, 2ls), 6 Torpedoes (3 FARA, 3 FARA). For the megphasers, I use 4 phaser A's (2ls, 2rs). But, that's me.

I have Volume One of Ships of the Starfleet (revised), Starfleet Dynamics, and The Akyazi Class Perimeter Action Ship Specs. I am certain there are sources on the internet that have this info in readily availble form. Try this one: http://www.asdb.net/asdb/publications.htm
 

[nx_adam_1701]

I think I stated in the above its my OPINION that the Miranda is more powerful and better than the OLD constitiution, whether its a fact or not ohhh well I dont care

adam out

[nx_adam_1701]

Thanks for the info, very interesting, Im definetly going make some changes, thanks bro

adam out

[Chrystoff]

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Thanks for the info, very interesting, Im definetly going make some changes, thanks bro

adam out  

No Problemo! Have fun! I love posts like this. You get to see a lot of different viewpoints.  

[nx_adam_1701]

Where can I get that info from online or books

adam oug