Topic: Can someone tell me about the USS Stargazer?

[IndyShark]

I just saw a picture of the USS Stargazer. I understand it is supposed to be Captain Picard's first ship.  WIth four warp drive engines it would seem to be very powerful, but since it is older than the Galaxy, perhaps not.

Does anyone have any information on her? How would it compare in battle to a Galaxy class?

Thanks
 

[olbuzzard]

hi Indy  it's good to see you're still around bud.  

I know only some general stuff ...  like the 4 nacelles might in one since of the word indicate more power ....  but it really depends on the warp core itself.  Unfortunately it's been a long time since we have done a comparative analysis.  If ya post in the Taldren Model forum ....  I bet you can get a good answer.  There's a really great group of guys that have devoted a lot of hours to the specs on most of the ships out there.

I wish I could help ya more....  Take care bud...  I hope this helps.

[Dash Jones]

Hmmm, been a LOOOONG time since I looked at it.  If I recall, it would be equivalent of a heavy destroyer...in SFB terms...at least perhaps.  It is a Constellation  class starship.  The four engine design was suppose to aid it in it's warp capabilities, but it came with a severe side effect...which, if I remember correctly, caused warp instabilities which in turn caused burnout of the warp engines to occur on a quick and regular basis.  It is hypothesized that it was made around the time of the Constitution refit, or perhaps a little later during the time when the Excelsiors were king.

Now because of the constant break down due to the warp problems which were the side effect of the four engine design, it was not actually a long life ship, hence it was not as long lasting as say the miranda or excelsior, however, there are still a few around, but excessively outdated.

Riker commanded one in some wargames vs. Picard, and did some surprising things with his team on a ship (the hathaway I believe) which was outgunned and far less able than the Enterprise under Picard's command.

The Stargazer itself was retrieved at a later date.  It was originally brought down under (once again, if I remember correctly) Picard, who managed to save most of the crew I think.  He re-encountered it later as Captain of the Enterprise.

Just a few items on the Constellation Class vessel.

[Magnum357]

The design does resemble a SFB Heavy Destroyer very well, but I thought I read once that the ship was suppose too be a new class of Explorer/Heavy Crusier too replace the aging Constitutions.  Although the site I found some of this info is definitly not cannon (for the most part) but was rather interesting.  Said that The Constelation Class was suppose too be more powerful then a Constition (at least in its Torpedo armament) and much Faster (hence the 4 warp engines) but as stated above, required more maintance on its warp engines and consumed more fuel then other class ships.  I think I got some of the info from the Daystrom Institute website back in 1999 where it indicated that the Galaxy's overall Combat Value = 1000 while the Constilation had an average combat value of something like 250 I think?  According too the Daystrom Institute, the Constellations where very powerful in their day, but by the time of the Enterprise D, they were really obsolete.

[IndyShark]

Quote:
hi Indy  it's good to see you're still around bud.  

I know only some general stuff ...  like the 4 nacelles might in one since of the word indicate more power ....  but it really depends on the warp core itself.  Unfortunately it's been a long time since we have done a comparative analysis.  If ya post in the Taldren Model forum ....  I bet you can get a good answer.  There's a really great group of guys that have devoted a lot of hours to the specs on most of the ships out there.

I wish I could help ya more....  Take care bud...  I hope this helps.  

Thank everyone for your responses.

Olbuzzard, it is good to hear from you as well! I hope to see you on line again sometime.  It's about time I returned to D2, but I have not found a server with OP+ 3.1 and NW's missions.

I'll keep looking!  

[Primus2003]

I have Seen the Constellation ship on many an occasion and thought it to be an interesting class that could use some more detailing or background.  I knew a little bit but a significant amount of the information here was new, especially how SFB would see it.  I have to admit I would like to use it in SFC but does anyone know the specs?  More specifically how to make the model itself  in ship edit as a new ship?  The base for it as it were (not the skin)?  

[Bernard Guignard]

I always thought of the Stargazer as the TMP version of an SFB GSC Cruiser. Designed for long range  exploration with extra sensors and labs.    

[Davey E]

There ya go  

http://www.starfleetarchive.com/ships/?ID=2210  

[IndyShark]

Thanks, what a cool website!

[IndyShark]

I just saw a picture of the USS Stargazer. I understand it is supposed to be Captain Picard's first ship.  WIth four warp drive engines it would seem to be very powerful, but since it is older than the Galaxy, perhaps not.

Does anyone have any information on her? How would it compare in battle to a Galaxy class?

Thanks
 

[olbuzzard]

hi Indy  it's good to see you're still around bud.  

I know only some general stuff ...  like the 4 nacelles might in one since of the word indicate more power ....  but it really depends on the warp core itself.  Unfortunately it's been a long time since we have done a comparative analysis.  If ya post in the Taldren Model forum ....  I bet you can get a good answer.  There's a really great group of guys that have devoted a lot of hours to the specs on most of the ships out there.

I wish I could help ya more....  Take care bud...  I hope this helps.

[Dash Jones]

Hmmm, been a LOOOONG time since I looked at it.  If I recall, it would be equivalent of a heavy destroyer...in SFB terms...at least perhaps.  It is a Constellation  class starship.  The four engine design was suppose to aid it in it's warp capabilities, but it came with a severe side effect...which, if I remember correctly, caused warp instabilities which in turn caused burnout of the warp engines to occur on a quick and regular basis.  It is hypothesized that it was made around the time of the Constitution refit, or perhaps a little later during the time when the Excelsiors were king.

Now because of the constant break down due to the warp problems which were the side effect of the four engine design, it was not actually a long life ship, hence it was not as long lasting as say the miranda or excelsior, however, there are still a few around, but excessively outdated.

Riker commanded one in some wargames vs. Picard, and did some surprising things with his team on a ship (the hathaway I believe) which was outgunned and far less able than the Enterprise under Picard's command.

The Stargazer itself was retrieved at a later date.  It was originally brought down under (once again, if I remember correctly) Picard, who managed to save most of the crew I think.  He re-encountered it later as Captain of the Enterprise.

Just a few items on the Constellation Class vessel.

[Magnum357]

The design does resemble a SFB Heavy Destroyer very well, but I thought I read once that the ship was suppose too be a new class of Explorer/Heavy Crusier too replace the aging Constitutions.  Although the site I found some of this info is definitly not cannon (for the most part) but was rather interesting.  Said that The Constelation Class was suppose too be more powerful then a Constition (at least in its Torpedo armament) and much Faster (hence the 4 warp engines) but as stated above, required more maintance on its warp engines and consumed more fuel then other class ships.  I think I got some of the info from the Daystrom Institute website back in 1999 where it indicated that the Galaxy's overall Combat Value = 1000 while the Constilation had an average combat value of something like 250 I think?  According too the Daystrom Institute, the Constellations where very powerful in their day, but by the time of the Enterprise D, they were really obsolete.

[IndyShark]

Quote:
hi Indy  it's good to see you're still around bud.  

I know only some general stuff ...  like the 4 nacelles might in one since of the word indicate more power ....  but it really depends on the warp core itself.  Unfortunately it's been a long time since we have done a comparative analysis.  If ya post in the Taldren Model forum ....  I bet you can get a good answer.  There's a really great group of guys that have devoted a lot of hours to the specs on most of the ships out there.

I wish I could help ya more....  Take care bud...  I hope this helps.  

Thank everyone for your responses.

Olbuzzard, it is good to hear from you as well! I hope to see you on line again sometime.  It's about time I returned to D2, but I have not found a server with OP+ 3.1 and NW's missions.

I'll keep looking!  

[Primus2003]

I have Seen the Constellation ship on many an occasion and thought it to be an interesting class that could use some more detailing or background.  I knew a little bit but a significant amount of the information here was new, especially how SFB would see it.  I have to admit I would like to use it in SFC but does anyone know the specs?  More specifically how to make the model itself  in ship edit as a new ship?  The base for it as it were (not the skin)?  

[Bernard Guignard]

I always thought of the Stargazer as the TMP version of an SFB GSC Cruiser. Designed for long range  exploration with extra sensors and labs.    

[Davey E]

There ya go  

http://www.starfleetarchive.com/ships/?ID=2210  

[IndyShark]

Thanks, what a cool website!