Topic: How many of you P/C gurus think Intel will release a 64 bit chip? (Read 11622 times)

JMM · « **on:** December 23, 2003, 02:59:29 pm »

The reason I ask is that AMD is ready at the gate, but is waiting for Intel to announce yes or no on their version. If they say yes, AMD already has the infrastructure and support in place to have a one year lead over Intel in that dept.

I'm also chomping at the bit waiting for IBM to make more progress with their nanotechnology in P/C chips, if they get that perfected before anyone else, AMD and INTEL will be in serious trouble for our fast machines of today will be like comparing an 8088 to a Pentium 4 3.3, in other words, Pentium and AMD will be junk...

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2003, 03:59:16 pm »

64 bit is not that big of a deal. The Power Mac G5 is 64-bit.

Is the OS 64 bit clean? Are the apps?
Sure, I can do a Photoshop rotate of a 4 GB image, but MS Word isn't any faster...

hobbesmaster · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2003, 07:22:13 pm »

Quote:

The reason I ask is that AMD is ready at the gate, but is waiting for Intel to announce yes or no on their version. If they say yes, AMD already has the infrastructure and support in place to have a one year lead over Intel in that dept.

My current system...
Ahtlon 64 3200+
Chaintech Zenith mobo
1024 MB PC3200 CL3 Kingston RAM (2 DIMMs)
Saphire Radeon 9800 Pro
Maxtor 7200RPM 160GB SATA-150 HDD
Windows XP Pro (x86-32 bit) is the only OS on here right now...

Intel has a 64 bit chip... Itanics, er Itaniums, have been out for a while and are x86-64 just like the Opterons/FX-51s (socket 960) and Athlon 64s (Socket 754). Itaniums are still kinda beta chips, only high end workstations from HP and a few other companies have them. OS support is existant.

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #4 on:** December 24, 2003, 12:46:02 am »

That's my point Hobbes,
Once your machine reaches a certain speed threshold, the user is the bottleneck for simple (non-number crunching) apps.
My Mac G3, G4, and G5 run MS Word about the same. I can only type so fast

JMM · « **Reply #6 on:** December 24, 2003, 10:03:09 am »

Thanks guys, I am thinking of investing in AMD but I wasn't sure yet, because Intel really had not said much, but I think it is also because AMD has about a year lead in development and infrastructure and that would really hurt Intel for a while. AMD stock is still less than 15 a share, so if I scraped up 100 shares then every cent I look at going up or down translates into dollars. It is what I did with CACS when they were gaining almost every day until after the first week of Dec and I was loving it. Leda does not buy in blocks of 100, so I have to look at the portfolio in Scottrade to get an exact amount of gain or loss as I suck at math.

BTW, stay away from CACS for right now, soon the 6 million more shares will be released, thus diluting the value, and any stock that goes from a low of .38 to a high of 15.80 in a year is rare unless they are making huge breakthroughs, especially when they are a telecom sector stock. It is a good company IMO, but the market is due for a correction, and that coupled with more stocks means lower prices.

Kortez · « **Reply #7 on:** December 24, 2003, 10:30:34 am »

I expect Intel to release 64 bit chip, JMM.

JMM · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2003, 12:00:40 pm »

Thanks K, AMD it is then, but after the new year, as a lot of investors sell in Jan so that they have the full year to wait to pay capital gains taxes.

Again thanks K

Bonk · « **Reply #9 on:** December 27, 2003, 06:31:12 am »

They did, some time ago: Intel® Itanium® processor , and the newer: Intel® Itanium® 2

See also: Itanium® 2-based solutions from HP , the key partner.

edit: this one looks "nice", or one of these would make a sweet server, or patch 64 of them together with this and you could make a real monster... for a maxed out system total of 4096 processors, 32768 GB memory, 12228 PCI slots, occupying a mere 305 cubic yards... one would have to be very rich and have a lot of space however, might as well get into the Cray market at that point!

All of this is dependent on application availability of course. This OpenVMS for the HP Integrity series looks interesting...

OOPS! I just noticed Hobbesmaster mentioned the Itanium a few posts back, anyway here's a little extra info I guess.

JMM · « **Reply #10 on:** December 27, 2003, 09:29:48 am »

No worries Bonk, I have been guilty of running through threads too fast before as well.

I do not know a lot about the P/C stuff, I just looked at my Sony VAIO and saw it was exactly what I needed, bought it then ran like hades for EAW and told Leda I'm ready to go home and play SFC2! As you can tell, my older machine could not handle it so I was filled with glee at having a P4 instead of P2, hehehehehehe, not only that, but my brother is a P/C guy and I HAD a machine faster than his for once.

I guess my question is this, will a 64 bit chip be the "latest thing" or next "step" for us personal users?

Bonk · « **Reply #11 on:** December 27, 2003, 10:15:13 am »

Personally, I don't think so. My feeling is that it will remain in the professional realm until games are developed for the platform at which time the pc market will have enough demand. It seems to me that game hardware requirements are pretty much what is responsible for driving performance on the pc platform. Perhaps there are already 64 bit games out there or in development and that's why AMD is pushing it's 64bit athlon. I feel that the console gaming market now will always outperform the PC for gaming applications because of the use of asics and fpgas built explicitly for the job. If anything is pushing the pc platform to go 64 bit its competition from gaming consoles. Once enough 64 bit applications suited to the consumer market (mostly games) are produced then I expect it to be a feature that consumers will look for in a pc. For now, I expect other more immediately useful gee-whiz features to be the "next big thing". I could be wrong however, of course, I hadn't even realised the Itanuim-2 was out till I went looking!

JMM · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2003, 10:57:21 am »

Very true Nemesis, if people read the history of AMD and Intel in the beginning years, many of the founders worked together for another company before, and the rivalry is great indeed. I would love to see AMD be a huge success as they are a MAJOR Austin, Texas employer, and we all care about jobs in our states that we live in, just like we all care about American products and jobs as a whole.

Bonk · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2003, 11:28:01 am »

True, domestic presence is good for all those reasons and more. It's funny, I remember using quality AMD SCSI on intel processor systems before I ever heard of an AMD processor. (That was before Adaptec scooped the SCSI market - how, I'm still not sure) Little did I know that AMD would turn into a serious competitor for intel in the processor market. I have noticed less and less of a disparity in processor performance with the later AMD processors, and would even consider buying one now. (Even after having had to deal with waaaay to many limp-wristed K6s and K62s over the years). I have always been of the opinion that saving $20 on the price of the processor when buying a computer will simply cost you more in the long run. Perhaps not so anymore?

JMM · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2003, 11:34:50 am »

Let's not forget that many AMD chips can be overclocked safely, something Intel frowns upon. AMD actually SAVED their customers money thus allowing them faster performance should they have chosen to do so. I'm no P/C guru but I would have gladly paid to have an AMD chip safely overclocked and configured. I'll admit, I use Pentiums, but yes, I may very well give AMD a try as Sony VAIOS use both companies chips now.

Bonk · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2003, 12:22:18 pm »

I new the Itanium was never very successful, I expected it to be more of a big deal, then it kinda just disappeared. (I didn't even know the Itanium-2 was out, where was the promotion?) I also expected a more prominent appearance by the G5, but it seems to have fizzled as well. It looks like AMD's minimalist approach may be the winning strategy. Thanks for the good explanation of your view of the market, it sounds pretty accurate and up to date.

A bit OT: I expect at some point a quantum leap (literally) in computers, I am fascinated with the function and potential of quantum computing, oohhhh to work in one of those IBM labs.... the applications of NMR never cease to amaze me. I get a charge out of the "qubit" terminology used too, for some reason it reminds me of the old "Qbert" arcade game from the eighties, (you know the one where the little round guy had run up and down the "3-D" stairs avoiding danger?) it makes me smile...

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