Topic: New Trade Center tower design unveiled (Read 10690 times)

The Postman · « **on:** December 19, 2003, 10:15:19 am »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3757111/

762 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:05:01 am »

1,776 feet tall

Toasty0 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:08:41 am »

yipee

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #3 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:26:35 pm »

I'm already picturing the poor saps that accidentaly sit on a scale model of that building. Ouch!

Stormbringer · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:30:52 pm »

Besides the symbolism, it's taller than the Petronas Tower, the previous world's tallest building. It is in a muslim nation, by a muslim architect and has muslim symbology. The irony on this unseating caused by the destruction of the old record holder by a muslim extremist terrorist with ambitions of establishing Islamist dominated world order has not escaped me.

Acidrain · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:14:54 pm »

my two cents! Well i think they the developers need to get that back up and bring back the commerical jobs that once were thier and stop worrying about the lives that were lost thier, the hole land cant be a memorial, get over it. Start building again and get going again. Dont get me wrong but i feel sorry for the lose of life but, they the famiys are amkign to much of a big deal of this isue of what goes thier. Come on it was a major hub for the stock market and such. But i feel for the person that owns that property, i feel for! Losing major money those towers should have been rebuilt a long time ago. This is land is so valuable in money. They the people need to get htier head out of thier @@@ and get these projects of rebuilding back on track. The freedom tower, if that is what you have up their is, i think a great idea. Just lets get the ball going again. Later Scott

Stormbringer · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:19:22 pm »

That comes across as rather thoughtless. First the families did not ask for this tragedy so any thing disparagingthem is OTT. Secondly the financial world at large can do quite nicely without the towers. The local economy is arguable but they too will recover. The biggest part of the importance of rebuilding (better than before) is the symbolism both to the U.S. and the world (perhaps particularly to the extremists.)

Acidrain · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:28:42 pm »

That isnt thoughless, its straight forward and the point! later Acid

Zenister · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:31:49 pm »

BASE jumpers everywhere begin packing for 7+ sec delays....

whoo hooo!! hope they are as cool as the Petronas Tower staff...not bloodly likely..

amazing how the land of "Freedom" is drowning in litigative restriction...

edit: was just chating to my mentor and he's done the math..more like 10 sec delays wheeeeeeee!!!!! of course no one is likely to get an exit point off the spire and I havent seen the height for the tallest accessable level so.....

SPQR Renegade001 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:47:32 pm »

AcidRain, the land in question belong to the New York Port Authority.

IMO, this is perfect. No, we don't need another massive building there, but to leave the land vacant in memoriam seems almost like a loss of will, backing down from the challenge the terrorists offered us, admitting defeat.
By putting this massive new building there, we are flipping a massive bird for all to hear.

"WE WILL NOT BE BROKEN!"

The lives lost that day were taken because someone chose to stab at the heart of American Spirit.
Let their memorial be the greatest display of American Spirit ever.

The Postman · « **Reply #10 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:52:41 pm »

SPQR Renegade001, I was just about to post the same thing.

Tremok · « **Reply #11 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:11:18 pm »

1,776... 1776. The year America declared independence. Hmm.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #12 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:18:22 pm »

Yes, indeed. plus it unseats a source of muslim pride as the tallest man made structure because of the actions of a muslim extremist. An irony and further symbolism.

Baker · « **Reply #13 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:51:19 pm »

Getting away from that nonsense, I wonder what the firefighting capabilities of this new building will be like, since it will be too tall for conventional firefighting techniques (fire trucks).

As for what should be on the site, I guess whatever goes on there will be a memorial more then anything else but might as well be productive.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #14 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:02:48 pm »

Opinions vary. To some that symbology will be not only readily apparent but vastly important.

As to fire fighting techniques, I've seen some of it on the discovery channel. I imagine it would encompass the inovations of the other mega structures like the petronas towers and thier kin. Likely it will include measures beyond even those marvels.

Towelie · « **Reply #15 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:54:09 pm »

I don't know, I still liked these plans...

Cammodude · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:46:36 pm »

Quote:

Besides the symbolism, it's taller than the Petronas Tower, the previous world's tallest building. It is in a muslim nation, by a muslim architect and has muslim symbology. The irony on this unseating caused by the destruction of the old record holder by a muslim extremist terrorist with ambitions of establishing Islamist dominated world order has not escaped me.

No need to worry about that. The Tiwanese already took the throne occupied by the Petronas Towers when the Teipei 101 tower was completed.

Not to be a little prick, but I think it would be more impressive if the occupied floors would hit 1776 feet, not just the spires. Maybe it's just me, but placing spires and poles and other such garbage on the top to make the building "taller" is almost cheating in my opinion. Making the average floor taller so that 70 stories on your tower would be the equivalent of 100 anywhere else (Like with the Tiepei 101 building) isn't much better either, IMO. In that regard, the Sears Tower STILL holds the world record since it has the highest occupied "normal" floor.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:51:27 am »

Well you have a point, but there is a long tradition of fudging by adding towers and stuff. Starting back at the Sears tower / Empire State Building fight.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2003, 11:26:13 am »

No I was not, but I have nothing against islamic or middle eastern people in general. I was just pointing out an irony in the situation. My "bigotry" only extends to extremists and terrorists and not just islamic ones. In fact the more people who make it legitimately from depressed areas of the world provide a role model for others to follow other than blaming others for thier plight. And being a world class architect certainly qualifies. I think he is well past kudos; but kudos to the man anyway.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2003, 03:16:11 pm »

I believe so. Someone else said as much. It's been a while since I watched the Discovery show on sky scrapers. But I remember the dirigible docking tower and radio tower bit.

The Postman · « **Reply #23 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:15:19 am »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3757111/

762 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:05:01 am »

1,776 feet tall

Toasty0 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:08:41 am »

yipee

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:26:35 pm »

I'm already picturing the poor saps that accidentaly sit on a scale model of that building. Ouch!

Stormbringer · « **Reply #27 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:30:52 pm »

Besides the symbolism, it's taller than the Petronas Tower, the previous world's tallest building. It is in a muslim nation, by a muslim architect and has muslim symbology. The irony on this unseating caused by the destruction of the old record holder by a muslim extremist terrorist with ambitions of establishing Islamist dominated world order has not escaped me.

Acidrain · « **Reply #28 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:14:54 pm »

my two cents! Well i think they the developers need to get that back up and bring back the commerical jobs that once were thier and stop worrying about the lives that were lost thier, the hole land cant be a memorial, get over it. Start building again and get going again. Dont get me wrong but i feel sorry for the lose of life but, they the famiys are amkign to much of a big deal of this isue of what goes thier. Come on it was a major hub for the stock market and such. But i feel for the person that owns that property, i feel for! Losing major money those towers should have been rebuilt a long time ago. This is land is so valuable in money. They the people need to get htier head out of thier @@@ and get these projects of rebuilding back on track. The freedom tower, if that is what you have up their is, i think a great idea. Just lets get the ball going again. Later Scott

Stormbringer · « **Reply #29 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:19:22 pm »

That comes across as rather thoughtless. First the families did not ask for this tragedy so any thing disparagingthem is OTT. Secondly the financial world at large can do quite nicely without the towers. The local economy is arguable but they too will recover. The biggest part of the importance of rebuilding (better than before) is the symbolism both to the U.S. and the world (perhaps particularly to the extremists.)

Acidrain · « **Reply #30 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:28:42 pm »

That isnt thoughless, its straight forward and the point! later Acid

Zenister · « **Reply #31 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:31:49 pm »

BASE jumpers everywhere begin packing for 7+ sec delays....

whoo hooo!! hope they are as cool as the Petronas Tower staff...not bloodly likely..

amazing how the land of "Freedom" is drowning in litigative restriction...

edit: was just chating to my mentor and he's done the math..more like 10 sec delays wheeeeeeee!!!!! of course no one is likely to get an exit point off the spire and I havent seen the height for the tallest accessable level so.....

SPQR Renegade001 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:47:32 pm »

AcidRain, the land in question belong to the New York Port Authority.

IMO, this is perfect. No, we don't need another massive building there, but to leave the land vacant in memoriam seems almost like a loss of will, backing down from the challenge the terrorists offered us, admitting defeat.
By putting this massive new building there, we are flipping a massive bird for all to hear.

"WE WILL NOT BE BROKEN!"

The lives lost that day were taken because someone chose to stab at the heart of American Spirit.
Let their memorial be the greatest display of American Spirit ever.

The Postman · « **Reply #33 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:52:41 pm »

SPQR Renegade001, I was just about to post the same thing.

Tremok · « **Reply #34 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:11:18 pm »

1,776... 1776. The year America declared independence. Hmm.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #35 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:18:22 pm »

Yes, indeed. plus it unseats a source of muslim pride as the tallest man made structure because of the actions of a muslim extremist. An irony and further symbolism.

Baker · « **Reply #36 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:51:19 pm »

Getting away from that nonsense, I wonder what the firefighting capabilities of this new building will be like, since it will be too tall for conventional firefighting techniques (fire trucks).

As for what should be on the site, I guess whatever goes on there will be a memorial more then anything else but might as well be productive.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #37 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:02:48 pm »

Opinions vary. To some that symbology will be not only readily apparent but vastly important.

As to fire fighting techniques, I've seen some of it on the discovery channel. I imagine it would encompass the inovations of the other mega structures like the petronas towers and thier kin. Likely it will include measures beyond even those marvels.

Towelie · « **Reply #38 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:54:09 pm »

I don't know, I still liked these plans...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #40 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:51:27 am »

Well you have a point, but there is a long tradition of fudging by adding towers and stuff. Starting back at the Sears tower / Empire State Building fight.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #43 on:** December 20, 2003, 11:26:13 am »

No I was not, but I have nothing against islamic or middle eastern people in general. I was just pointing out an irony in the situation. My "bigotry" only extends to extremists and terrorists and not just islamic ones. In fact the more people who make it legitimately from depressed areas of the world provide a role model for others to follow other than blaming others for thier plight. And being a world class architect certainly qualifies. I think he is well past kudos; but kudos to the man anyway.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #45 on:** December 20, 2003, 03:16:11 pm »

I believe so. Someone else said as much. It's been a while since I watched the Discovery show on sky scrapers. But I remember the dirigible docking tower and radio tower bit.

The Postman · « **Reply #46 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:15:19 am »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3757111/

762 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:05:01 am »

1,776 feet tall

Toasty0 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 19, 2003, 11:08:41 am »

yipee

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #49 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:26:35 pm »

I'm already picturing the poor saps that accidentaly sit on a scale model of that building. Ouch!

Stormbringer · « **Reply #50 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:30:52 pm »

Besides the symbolism, it's taller than the Petronas Tower, the previous world's tallest building. It is in a muslim nation, by a muslim architect and has muslim symbology. The irony on this unseating caused by the destruction of the old record holder by a muslim extremist terrorist with ambitions of establishing Islamist dominated world order has not escaped me.

Acidrain · « **Reply #51 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:14:54 pm »

my two cents! Well i think they the developers need to get that back up and bring back the commerical jobs that once were thier and stop worrying about the lives that were lost thier, the hole land cant be a memorial, get over it. Start building again and get going again. Dont get me wrong but i feel sorry for the lose of life but, they the famiys are amkign to much of a big deal of this isue of what goes thier. Come on it was a major hub for the stock market and such. But i feel for the person that owns that property, i feel for! Losing major money those towers should have been rebuilt a long time ago. This is land is so valuable in money. They the people need to get htier head out of thier @@@ and get these projects of rebuilding back on track. The freedom tower, if that is what you have up their is, i think a great idea. Just lets get the ball going again. Later Scott

Stormbringer · « **Reply #52 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:19:22 pm »

That comes across as rather thoughtless. First the families did not ask for this tragedy so any thing disparagingthem is OTT. Secondly the financial world at large can do quite nicely without the towers. The local economy is arguable but they too will recover. The biggest part of the importance of rebuilding (better than before) is the symbolism both to the U.S. and the world (perhaps particularly to the extremists.)

Acidrain · « **Reply #53 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:28:42 pm »

That isnt thoughless, its straight forward and the point! later Acid

Zenister · « **Reply #54 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:31:49 pm »

BASE jumpers everywhere begin packing for 7+ sec delays....

whoo hooo!! hope they are as cool as the Petronas Tower staff...not bloodly likely..

amazing how the land of "Freedom" is drowning in litigative restriction...

edit: was just chating to my mentor and he's done the math..more like 10 sec delays wheeeeeeee!!!!! of course no one is likely to get an exit point off the spire and I havent seen the height for the tallest accessable level so.....

SPQR Renegade001 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:47:32 pm »

AcidRain, the land in question belong to the New York Port Authority.

IMO, this is perfect. No, we don't need another massive building there, but to leave the land vacant in memoriam seems almost like a loss of will, backing down from the challenge the terrorists offered us, admitting defeat.
By putting this massive new building there, we are flipping a massive bird for all to hear.

"WE WILL NOT BE BROKEN!"

The lives lost that day were taken because someone chose to stab at the heart of American Spirit.
Let their memorial be the greatest display of American Spirit ever.

The Postman · « **Reply #56 on:** December 19, 2003, 01:52:41 pm »

SPQR Renegade001, I was just about to post the same thing.

Tremok · « **Reply #57 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:11:18 pm »

1,776... 1776. The year America declared independence. Hmm.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #58 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:18:22 pm »

Yes, indeed. plus it unseats a source of muslim pride as the tallest man made structure because of the actions of a muslim extremist. An irony and further symbolism.

Baker · « **Reply #59 on:** December 19, 2003, 04:51:19 pm »

Getting away from that nonsense, I wonder what the firefighting capabilities of this new building will be like, since it will be too tall for conventional firefighting techniques (fire trucks).

As for what should be on the site, I guess whatever goes on there will be a memorial more then anything else but might as well be productive.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #60 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:02:48 pm »

Opinions vary. To some that symbology will be not only readily apparent but vastly important.

As to fire fighting techniques, I've seen some of it on the discovery channel. I imagine it would encompass the inovations of the other mega structures like the petronas towers and thier kin. Likely it will include measures beyond even those marvels.

Towelie · « **Reply #61 on:** December 19, 2003, 05:54:09 pm »

I don't know, I still liked these plans...

Stormbringer · « **Reply #63 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:51:27 am »

Well you have a point, but there is a long tradition of fudging by adding towers and stuff. Starting back at the Sears tower / Empire State Building fight.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #66 on:** December 20, 2003, 11:26:13 am »

No I was not, but I have nothing against islamic or middle eastern people in general. I was just pointing out an irony in the situation. My "bigotry" only extends to extremists and terrorists and not just islamic ones. In fact the more people who make it legitimately from depressed areas of the world provide a role model for others to follow other than blaming others for thier plight. And being a world class architect certainly qualifies. I think he is well past kudos; but kudos to the man anyway.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #68 on:** December 20, 2003, 03:16:11 pm »

I believe so. Someone else said as much. It's been a while since I watched the Discovery show on sky scrapers. But I remember the dirigible docking tower and radio tower bit.

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