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IKV Nemesis D7L

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Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« on: December 17, 2003, 09:05:37 pm »
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 A privately financed passenger-carrying sub-orbital rocket plane screamed its way through the sound barrier today, the 100th anniversary of the Wright Brothers historic 12-second flight over Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

Privately built by Scaled Composites of Mojave, California, the SpaceShipOne cranked up its hybrid rocket motor after being released from the White Knight carrier plane high over Mojave, California.

"This successful and historic flight is important because we are showing that the private sector can perform human space flight faster, safer and cheaper," said Jim Benson, founding chairman and chief executive of SpaceDev, the Poway, California-based company that built SpaceShipOne's engine.

Test pilot Brian Binnie then put SpaceShipOne into a steep climb. Nine seconds later, SpaceShipOne broke the sound barrier and continued its steep powered ascent.

At motor shutdown, 15 seconds after ignition, SpaceShipOne was climbing at a 60-degree angle and flying near 1.2 Mach (930 mph).

Binnie continued the maneuver to a vertical climb, achieving zero speed at an altitude of 68,000 feet. He then configured the ship in its high-drag "feathered" shape to simulate the condition it will experience when it enters the atmosphere after a sub-orbital space flight.




The first powered flight.  A minor landing problem but it looks good so far.      

Sirgod

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2003, 09:42:10 am »
this is A very cool Story. I menat to comment It on It last night, But I got distracted. I'm really beggining to think that Commercial space Flight might be the way to go in the Future.

Stephen

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2003, 10:09:05 am »
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 A privately financed passenger-carrying sub-orbital rocket plane screamed its way through the sound barrier today, the 100th anniversary of the Wright Brothers historic 12-second flight over Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

Privately built by Scaled Composites of Mojave, California, the SpaceShipOne cranked up its hybrid rocket motor after being released from the White Knight carrier plane high over Mojave, California.

"This successful and historic flight is important because we are showing that the private sector can perform human space flight faster, safer and cheaper," said Jim Benson, founding chairman and chief executive of SpaceDev, the Poway, California-based company that built SpaceShipOne's engine.

Test pilot Brian Binnie then put SpaceShipOne into a steep climb. Nine seconds later, SpaceShipOne broke the sound barrier and continued its steep powered ascent.

At motor shutdown, 15 seconds after ignition, SpaceShipOne was climbing at a 60-degree angle and flying near 1.2 Mach (930 mph).

Binnie continued the maneuver to a vertical climb, achieving zero speed at an altitude of 68,000 feet. He then configured the ship in its high-drag "feathered" shape to simulate the condition it will experience when it enters the atmosphere after a sub-orbital space flight.




The first powered flight.  A minor landing problem but it looks good so far.      




Yipee!!!!  

RogueJedi_XC

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2003, 11:23:38 am »
NASA just got a big message from private enterprise: "your time is up".

Excellent news.    

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2003, 05:55:13 pm »
I have not seen a reliable source but the rumour is that Paul Allen is the money behind Spaceship One.  So that evil Microsoft money is doing some good.

For those who might not have heard much about Spaceship one before the designer believes it can be scaled up from the current 3 ton ship to a 300 ton model.   That should allow the possibility of reaching not only orbit but the Station with useful cargo and passengers.

Also the builders once they have successfully flown to 100km plans to do so once a week for 20 consecutive weeks just to prove it can be done.    

Acidrain

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2003, 06:55:17 pm »
I would have to agree with Jedi, Watch out NASA!!!!

Thank god and i think my i feel my faith of getting into space. Later Acid


Death_Merchant

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2003, 11:59:31 am »
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NASA just got a big message from private enterprise: "your time is up".

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I disagree.
NASA should not be in the "low cost to orbit" or "Commercialization of space" business.

NASA's time is not up. They should be funding, developing, and pushing for new space tech. That's what gov funding does best (and what private industry does poorly in aerospace).

Development of new, cutting edge technology vehicles is prohibitively expensive. No private company can do it without gov funding or vast worldwide sales. The launch market cannot support the private development of anything truly new. You will note that all private vehicles (like Spaceship One) are compilations of existing tech.  

Edited because I think faster than I type, and it shows....
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S'Raek

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2003, 03:09:41 pm »
OK, enough of this scientific conversation stuff.  Time for something really important - pop culture!  Wasn't Spaceship One the name of the homemade rocket in that goofy TV show back in the day?  The one with the guy that owned the junkyard.    

Stormbringer

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2003, 03:12:04 pm »
Vulture one. Made from a cement truck tumbler.

Kmelew

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2003, 04:23:03 pm »
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OK, enough of this scientific conversation stuff.  Time for something really important - pop culture!  Wasn't Spaceship One the name of the homemade rocket in that goofy TV show back in the day?  The one with the guy that owned the junkyard.    




I think it was Salvage I. It had old tires for landing pads.   I remember that Gil Gerard (Buck Rodgers) played the astronaut pilot.  

Stormbringer

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2003, 11:37:13 pm »
The darned thing still looks like a retro 1950's pulp science fiction serial style cinema rocket ship. Flash gordon, maybe?

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2003, 11:41:26 pm »


Crashed Spaceship One , damage minimal.   Note Spaceship one carries 3 people.  Only the pilot (uninjured) was aboard for the crash.
 

Stormbringer

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2003, 11:58:02 pm »
See what I mean?  

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2003, 12:18:04 am »
Link to page of pictures

The White Knight carrying craft is interesting in its own right.  I wonder what its carrying capacity is.



White Knight flying alone.



White Knight carrying Spaceship One in flight.



White Knight carrying Spaceship One in flight again.
 


Spaceship One going up.  

Assuming that Spaceship one wins the X-Prize and carries out the planned 20 flights in 20 weeks I wonder who has the model rights?  

Lepton1

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Re: Spaceship One Rockets to 68,000 feet (12.88 miles)
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2003, 01:15:40 pm »
I am guessing this is the Rutan group, considering the design and the chase plane??  That seems llike a rough flight schedule.  I thought they just had to take 3 people up and do it a couple of times to win the X-Prize.  Exciting stuff.

Stormbringer

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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2003, 01:42:08 pm »
Duck Dogers in the twenty fourth and a half century!  

Lepton1

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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2003, 01:56:14 pm »
That planned flight schedule was a rumor begun by a misinformed magazine reporter.  If you check out the Rutan site (scaled.com), they have that disclaimer clearly stated.  If you ask me, Rutan has this one in the bag.  He is using his own tested designs and design philosophy so he isn't starting from square one.  Around the world non-stop flight, now into space.  How does this guy get the money to pull this stuff off???

Stormbringer

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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2003, 02:02:35 pm »
Well, he is a visionary. He comes up with ideas conventional engineers think are impossible and makes them work for a living. Plus he has visionaries for supporters. But before he had much support he and dedicated friends used to do all the work themselves. You know; for example, a car is just a couple of grand worth of material. If you could machine or fabricate all the parts yourself you could have a car that cheap. Same thing for vehicles costing millions of dollars (Same principle anyway.) The inflated prices we pay are engineering , factory tool up, labor, sales, distribution etc. At least thats how they justify the prices the charge for things. The fact is building them if done smart is much cheaper than all that.

Death_Merchant

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2003, 02:31:08 pm »
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The inflated prices we pay are engineering , factory tool up, labor, sales, distribution etc. At least thats how they justify the prices the charge for things. The fact is building them if done smart is much cheaper than all that.  



In other words, he uses "off-the-shelf" components and doesn't have to develop anything fundamentally new. Such "cheap" machines are built on the back of previously "expensive" ones.

Design & Assembly is always cheaper than Development, Design, & Assembly.

Don't get me wrong, there is a place for that D&A approach. It's a good thing.

But also don't belittle all the time, effort, and money spent making a better engine, a better metal, a new thrust system. These are not easy things. Do you have any idea how much money is spent researching approaches that never work in practice? I do.
Some of the failed approaches are mine Some successes are too... None of it is cheap.