Topic: Trekless Galaxies at War!? Why not? (Read 7840 times)

Robb Stark · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2003, 01:20:32 pm »

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I totally agree....I for one would put the Trek right back in as soon as I loaded up my Trekless GAW.

However, I'm just looking for a way to get Galaxies at War without going through Activision as a publisher or violate any Trek liscenses.

Perhaps a joint project between ADB and Taldren? A subscription service? Just wondering what is possible beyond admitting defeat?

And this seems to you like something that would sell? "Presenting a game that you can mod to be Trek!" Modding communities are nice, but not enough to carry a title for the kind of sales you need to make a profit in the industry.

I think you're being very impractical.

Sethan · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2003, 04:09:54 pm »

Do I believe that an SFB-based game from Taldren could be a success? Absolutely - one needs only look at SFC, SFC2, and SFC:OP to see that. Add the things that people have been clamoring for re: GaW (properly) and the Dyna, make it relatively stable, and it is a guarranteed hit.

Could it be a success without Trek (even if it were moddable to be Trek-based)? Maybe.

The tricks are in:

1) Finding a way to market the game without Trek.

2) Financing development. Since Taldren does not (to my knowledge) own the code for the SFC series, the relevant parts would have to be rewritten from scratch. Even doing GaW using the SFC code as a base would take time - and doing it from scratch would take more. I don't know what Taldren's monthly expenses are, but we are likely looking at $1-2 million for development costs - and that money has to come from somewhere.

Does SFC have any really wealthy fans willing to bankroll development of GaW?

rdwhitley · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2003, 04:48:12 pm »

I think Galaxies at War even without "Trek" would be a great game. I like the idea of a Taldren created (with the help of the fans) universe. I thought Erik's comments on the direction they were thinking about were very exciting and I for one would like to see a game with that much to offer. With the ability to create races (which I take it would include the technology as well) within a defined set of rules would be great. Years ago I played an rpg called "Space Opera" (not that it was that great a game, but it was good). Taldrens Ideas remind me of that game. Mesh that with SFB rules and you would have a great game that could grow and expand as far as the imaginations of the players could take it.

Admiral_CRS · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:52:59 pm »

They should do a ship-like Everquest in the Star Trek Universe....that would rule.

Mr. Hypergol · « **Reply #25 on:** February 17, 2003, 08:22:33 pm »

Well since Activision seems to have mutilated and destroyed the SFC series for their own profit I propose the following:

Since Taldren owns the SFC code why can't they make a deal with Amarillo Design Bureau to use the Star Fleet Battle rules set and give us our Galaxies at War (no longer called SFC) but without the Trek.

The SFB rules are not the property of Paramount or Activision........sooooo why not just RENAME and CHANGE THE SHIP MODELS for everything that relates to Trek. For example rename or replace the Trek based races, ships, weapons, and systems to something else but still use Star Fleet Battles rules and ship designs under the hood? Some races like Hydrans and Andromedans for example that were totally inventions of Amarillo Design Bureau would not need to be changed at all.

As long as the game is made sufficiently moddable, we can add all our Trek models and names back in after we buy the game.

It comes down to this: I love Star Fleet Battles not for the Trek, but for the game itself. Activision seems to have lost sight of this fact with SFC3 (which I bought and played by the way....where the hell is that patch DAN!!!!).

I want computerized Star Fleet Battles dammit.....why can't somebody deliver!!!

P.S. - SFBonline ain't good enough....so don't recommend it!!!! Thank you.

hobbesmaster · « **Reply #27 on:** February 17, 2003, 09:15:27 pm »

Rat Boy... can you say "Omega"?

Dash Jones · « **Reply #28 on:** February 17, 2003, 10:18:09 pm »

Yeah, I think Omega could be doable...I mean, except for stretching somethings quite a bit, it seems Omega is distanced enough from the Trek universe itself...whilst still be SFB, to be approachable...and it has..12? races. Is this correct?

CynicForever · « **Reply #30 on:** February 17, 2003, 10:46:16 pm »

Babylon 5 Command, maybe? StarWars Command? Farscape Command? Or maybe something completely new.

Admiral_CRS · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2003, 11:09:05 pm »

I think I speak for the majority of "cash cow" buyers when I say: "I bought this game and the others because of two words----Star Trek."

No sfb game would sell well enough without the Trek license to merit production. Star Wars fans generally want more action compared with trek fans.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2003, 11:40:32 pm »

I don't know...
In my gaming group using West Ends Games version of Starwars RPG, We spent a great deal of time designing our own ships and then simulating battles in them. Eventually we adapted them to SFB rules/WEG hybridized rules. We liked the more "realistic" damage allocation, targeting, and movement rules in SFB's baby but used WEG's stuff a lot as well. We thought the ship design logic and technology details in SW were inferior drivel. No engineer in his right mind would design a ship like the millenium falcon.The tech was infinitely less believable too. It just don't make sense. The trek stuff looked logically consistant. But we like swarming fighter battles and naval egagements reminiscent of WW2 broadside battles which were more present in WEG. We developed (cones of steel) hydra flechette anti-fighter defence rockets, refractive armor, density differential refractive shielding, ion cannon defeating chaff, tractor defeating ion cannon shots, laser defeating reflective paint (good up to X-ray wavelengths), fire control scanners (manual targeting has been ineffective since about 4 decades ago)

Anyway the point is we used SW ships with trek rules. There were no Fed Klink, Rom or any other ST ships, though we used similar tech minus transporters. It was a blast.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2003, 11:56:36 pm »

Bah....Taldren could do a "strategic starship combat simulator...contstruction set"..and create totally new Intellectual property to fill in the game with.....

Would it sell?

add:

The general ideas allready proposed umpteen times (tm)

The abilty to use and see others custom models....*cough* we'll add our own...

The abilty to join a mission in progress.....my own pet most wanted feature...

A diverse and balanced ruleset...

Yeah...it would definetly sell......

Galaxies at War is a general working title formed by community opinion and freely usable by taldren should they so wish....

But I would assume they would come up with a title of their own....

FPF_TraceyG · « **Reply #35 on:** February 18, 2003, 07:13:25 am »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt Starfleet Battles, and the 'Starfleet Universe' wholly copyrighted by Amarillo design bureau, and that that Paramount can do nothing about its Star Trek content? (something which really annoys Paramount, so I've heard)
If ADB owns Starfleet Battles wholly, and they own the rights to it, why then is any license required from Paramount at all to create a computer based version of Starfleet Battles. Taldren own the game engine to SFC (they wrote it after all), why should Paramount be involved at all?? Perhaps I'm just being naive here.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #37 on:** February 18, 2003, 07:31:19 am »

ADB wanted to make a computer version of SFB years ago. Paramount says their license doesn't cover video games, only the board game. ADB dissagreed with it but didn't/doesn't have the resources to fight Paramount. They either didn't want to or couldn't afford to pay additional licensing for a computer game. So, it never happenned.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #38 on:** February 18, 2003, 09:15:23 am »

And here is where I'd like to point out that Harry Lang...the Parmount representative....is a straight shooter....I've had several conversations with Harry unrelated to ST and have allways found him to be open minded and frank in his answers.....

From every indication Harry and Erik have a good relationship....and I dont think the *cough* "enterprise era is licensed yet

....who knows what can happen a couple of projects down the pike

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