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Stormbringer

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The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« on: December 13, 2003, 07:03:53 am »
Ladies and gentlmen your nominees, please... State the animal ( other than primates ) you think most closely approaches  human intelligence and on what evidence you base that choice. I nominate Octopi and thier relations, dolphins, and for third place Crows. I'll explain my choices later. This is a fun post but be serious in your choices and explanations. later. I'm going shopping.

hobbesmaster

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2003, 08:55:59 am »
White lab mice, dolphins, then us humans.  We really screwed up the computer...  

vsfedwards

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2003, 09:35:24 am »
Elves, Dwarves, Balrogs.

TheBigCheese

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2003, 09:58:10 am »
My ex  

Corbomite

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2003, 10:01:21 am »
Humans are intelligent? Wow! You learn something new every day!

JMM

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2003, 11:02:35 am »
LMAO @ big cheese's post...  

JMM

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2003, 11:09:21 am »
I'll also vote for my soon to be ex, only a naca drives a car into high water thus sucking up water into the intake and trashing the engine... Silly rabbit, water does NOT compress... Let the wench try that with the 03 Camry instead of the 92, bet she'll learn one day...  

Tremok

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2003, 12:11:20 pm »
 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    

RogueJedi_XC

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2003, 12:32:47 pm »
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 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    




Ah, I see you've been driving in Austin lately.    

Skawpya

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2003, 02:09:49 pm »
I would agree on the crows,  they are able to remember who drops stuff and who doesn't. they never end up as roadkill like seagulls, Then again they dont seem to be not able to remember who is not a threat, and more than once, when approaching one on a bike, it would fly away in the direction I'm going, land, see me still coming and then take off again, this happened for almost two blocks.

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2003, 02:26:32 pm »
My nominations:

Most intelligent non-humans:
Chimpanzees

Most intelligent non-primate mamals:
Elephants

Most intelligent non-mammalian vertebrates:
Parrots, Crows

Most intelligent invertebrates:
Octopus

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Stormbringer

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2003, 06:35:30 pm »
As promised; Crows because they can be taught to speak (or at least members of thier family can, and they can use tools as recently proven. Dolphins due to thier complex language, behaviors and large brain size and complex brain structure. It remains to be seen if they can be considered truly intelligent in a sentient sort of way because their environment is so alien that we might not be able to recognize thier actual level. they have no hands or need for tools or technology. Now the octopi; they can control the "color of individual irridiphores and pigment cells by the millions or billions. They communicate with complex light pattern languages. They can recognize different animals and know those animals enemies and some can mimick those enemies in an uncanny way. They can open jars to get at food inside. They can escape from the tightest secured tanks, travel to another tank across the room, have a snack and sneak back into thier old tank to appear innocent of mischief. They are very clever creatures. Especially since they are so short lived. If they lived much longer I'd be really frightened of how smart they could become. Octopi are awesome.
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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2003, 08:45:44 pm »
My birds use language in ways that occaisionally surprise me.  They are normally able to respond to certain situations in appropriate ways....saying "Goodnight" when I turn out the lights or yelling at the kids when they're too noisy.  Back in the day when we just had one pet she seemed able to apply language to novel situations in appropriate ways...though I can't remember a specific example.  It always happened at times and in ways that left me wondering if I had heard what I thought I had.  Our oldest used to get put in "timeout" by the bird.  She would hear her name and "timeout" and did what she was told.  She was very young.


I've always wanted to keep a crow or an octopus.



For my vote I'm inclined to nominate my goats.  They're not very bright but have an uncanny ability to be where I don't want them to be.  They are virtually imposible to work around and if you're not very careful they'll figure out what is most vulnerable and destroy... destroy .....DESTROY.  





 

Stormbringer

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2003, 09:58:25 pm »
My family had a goat when I was still in school. We thought it was neat when she would jump into our laps when she was a kid.  But they grow up and she would still jump up into your lap when she wieghed in as a fully grown goat. Hooves hurt. A lot. Couldn't sit down outside for fear of getting racked by a goat. And they'll eat any plant in range as long is it is not an unwanted weed.  

Taldren_Erin

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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2003, 12:31:24 am »
Interesting conversation, I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through _The Alex Studies_ by Irene Pepperberg. Much information and research she did points toward Grey intelligence rivaling, if not exceeding, that of chimpanzees and dolphins, though a lot of it has to do with ease of communication. Very fascinating reading. I'm hoping to get a Grey next Spring. Corvids come close but don't measure up in the research... not to say they're less intelligent, just that parrots are more amicable, it seems, to testing. No question that crows and ravens are strikingly intelligent.

Puddle, what kind of birds do you have?  

Stormbringer

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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2003, 12:41:03 am »
I'll admit parrots appear more intelligent due to communication ease but crows make and use tools.

Taldren_Erin

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2003, 12:52:42 am »
They do, and as I said, I wasn't discounting their intelligence -- but parrots (not just Greys, but especially them) also make and use tools extensively. The one thing that would lead me to believe that Greys are more intelligent than crows has to do with their society -- it's quite intricate and involved. It could be that I'm confusing lack of knowledge for lack of complexity with regard to crow society, but from what I know of them they're more ordinary with regard to flock behavior. Parrot communication is not just easier for humans to access, it's also much more elaborate than crow vocal communication. There are studies about crows and ample evidence that they can count (they use the number of caws in a sequence to identify each other in a large group), which is a higher level cognitive function, but just as a personal guess I would say that between a crow and a grey parrot, the parrot would have a higher IQ.  

Stormbringer

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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2003, 01:01:47 am »
I have not studied them extensively just seen a documentary. I have seen similar documentaries that claimed that parrot lanuage is more than mere mimickry which agrees with what puddle said. as to tool use I was unaware parrots used tools other thamn perhaps rock hammers. crows select and modify twigs to fit tasks. They also use the common rock hammer tool. They probably use the drop/plummet tool as well but I cannot recall seeing this documented. Thanks for adding on topic material to this thread. That makes three out of about ten.  

JMM

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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2003, 01:15:52 am »
I take it by the term Grey we are talking about African Grey parrots? My grandparents had one, and even though that S.O.B. always tried to bite me, he could really talk, a highly intelligent bird. I wish he was alive along with my grandfather, I would go tell that bird a thing or two nowadays...  

Taldren_Erin

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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2003, 01:54:20 am »
Just cruising around looking for links here... this is a pretty cool story about crows. I did know about the twig stuff, but this was in a study, where a crow unexpectedly grabbed a wire, flew off with it, and used it to make a hook and get the food they had put in a bottle:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2178920.stm

The tool story I remember most was of a crow using passing cars as a tool to open nuts. It would sit on the side of a highway, watch the cars go by, then get a nut, put it in the path of the tire tracks, and wait. A few cars would come by, eventually crushing the nut. Crow hops down and eats it, then goes to find another nut and repeats the process. They're definitely very, very smart.

Right at the moment I can't find any online resources for parrot tool use, but more than other birds, even, parrots are very tactile with their feet and use them almost like hands. Alex, the famous CAG (Congo African Grey), learned to request objects, and one of the objects he requested frequently, rather than being food, was a metal key, so that he could use it to scratch under his beak. Their tool use is broad, and I'll have to look further to find more instances of it... at the moment I'm about to go to bed. =)

One anecdote from Bird Talk that I remember, though, shows contextual intelligence and problem solving (and is just really funny). The Grey in question had been told many times when being offered an object "Use your claw" -- assumedly the bird would grab first with its beak, and the owners wanted to teach it to accept things with its claw instead. The family had a football party and were watching the game on the big screen -- eating, talking, not paying attention to the bird. The guy on the screen fumbles the ball, and the bird pipes up: "Use your claw!"

In another instance, a family was selling their couch, and the buyers came over to pick it up. Their Grey flew over, landed on the couch, and announced "I pooped here!" Sure enough, he had, and the sellers hadn't noticed. Oops. The bird had not been known to do that kind of thing on other occasions. The somewhat scary thing about these birds is that they can hear something once in context and apply it months or even years later, unexpectedly.

Their behavior is incredibly fascinating. In some ways it's very intimidating to be pursuing the prospect of owning one. (And a bird like that more owns you than you it...) But I would very highly recommend Irene Pepperberg's book. Very little of it is the clever anecdotes, but there's an extremely thorough documentation of her research process, and of Alex's behavior throughout. He surprised them a number of times, and it's nothing short of staggering what they're teaching him to do. They're hoping that eventually they will teach him to read. Pepperberg's work has been used, in addition to the animal behavior field and the whole of our perception of animal cognition, to help children with communication disabilities, since she's tracked down much of the way that Alex learns and some of it has a direct analog to developmental speech in humans.

The next book I'm going to track down in the animal behavior category is, I think, _Next of Kin_, by Roger Fouts. It might be another one, I have the exact book info written down on my laptop... in any case one of the more highly praised books about chimpanzee intelligence.  

Puddleoguts

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2003, 07:27:44 am »
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Interesting conversation, I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through _The Alex Studies_ by Irene Pepperberg. Much information and research she did points toward Grey intelligence rivaling, if not exceeding, that of chimpanzees and dolphins, though a lot of it has to do with ease of communication. Very fascinating reading. I'm hoping to get a Grey next Spring. Corvids come close but don't measure up in the research... not to say they're less intelligent, just that parrots are more amicable, it seems, to testing. No question that crows and ravens are strikingly intelligent.

Puddle, what kind of birds do you have?  




White bellied caiques, pacific parrotlets, and three greys.

We hand raised our first grey.  She eventually hit sexual maturity and became unpleasant.  A friend of ours gave us a wild caught male(still very wild) and they hit it off.  The third bird is the offspring of the first two and a great bird....far nicer than her mother ever was.



 

Stormbringer

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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2003, 12:56:42 pm »
The white mice have dissappeared. So have the Dolphins. The computer has been upgraded and reset.

Stormbringer

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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2003, 12:58:31 pm »
Elephants are indeed intelligent, good memories and communicate with infrasound for perhaps 50 miles or more in range.

Dracho

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2003, 12:25:18 am »
Dogs.. they trained a species to bring them food, chauffer them around,  and make little sweaters for them to keep them from being cold.

Seriously, raw intelligence, probably not, but some research seems to indicate dogs experience emotions closer to humans than any other animal, and they are better at picking up on our emotions than any other species.  A recent research project tested this theory with wolves and coyotes, and other species, against dogs (determining what a human wanted with minimal input).  Dogs won it paws down..

Animal Emotions


Pet owners have long believed their companions loved them back. Scientists once scoffed, but now they're coming around

© 2003 Newsweek, Inc. By Mary Carmichael with Jamie Reno and Hilary Shenfeld (July 21)

Everyone who's ever owned a pet has at least one story (usually many, actually) of an animal that seems just as emotional as any human.

TAKE RUTH OSMENT, who says her two cats, Penny and Jo, feel sorry for her when she cries-running to her and drying her tears with their fur. Or Donna Westlund, whose roommate's parrot Koko shows all the classic signs of a teenage crush, calling out "Hey, come here," whenever she tries to leave the room.

Then there's John Van Zante. Recently, he watched Max, a Labrador retriever mix, sit lovingly by a woman in a wheelchair in a convalescent home while she patted his head for several minutes. It wasn't until the elderly woman wheeled off down the hall that Van Zante realized she had been parked on Max's tail the entire time. Max hadn't complained at all. "He was in pain, clearly, but he seemed to know that she had special needs, so he just sat through it," says Van Zante, communications director for the Helen Woodward Animal Center in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif.


NO EMOTIONS?
Van Zante doesn't understand why some scientists argue that animals have no emotions, that they merely respond to incentives like so many automatons. "If we were purely a source for food, I'm certain that Max's reaction would have been different," he says. "Haven't these scientists noticed that their cats can't wait to rub up against their legs and reclaim ownership of their people after a day at work? Don't they take the time to greet their tail-wagging dogs when they get home?"

Well, yes. But they're not as starry-eyed about what they see. For decades, psychologists have discounted the idea that pets can love their humans back. They have argued that animals that appear to express emotions are merely reacting to hormonal rushes triggered-in cold, but typical, technical language-by "outside stimuli." But that view is changing, thanks to a loosely knit band of researchers working in fields as far-flung as neurobiology and behavioral observation. With new evidence gleaned from studies of dogs, chimps and sundry other creatures, science is starting to catch up to what pet owners have always suspected: animals experience surges of deep-seated fear, jealousy and grief-and, most important, love. Unlike the few researchers who came before them, the scientists leading the new movement actually have solid evidence. "Five years ago my colleagues would have thought I was off my rocker," says biologist Marc Bekoff. "But now scientists are finally starting to talk about animal emotions in public. It's like they're coming out of the closet."

And at an apt time, too-more and more pet owners now depend on their furry and feathered friends for emotional support. "People are delaying having children, but they still need that connection, that love," says Tamar Geller, owner of The Loved Dog Co. in Los Angeles. For many in that crowd, she says, pets are serving as surrogate kids. That may explain the sudden surge in interest; the push to find out what pets and other animals are thinking is being driven largely by those who love them. After all, if you're going to devote years of affection to an animal, isn't it nice to think it's not unrequited?


LEARNING FROM RUSTY
Aside from Charles Darwin, most students of animal behavior in the past believed that animals didn't have emotions-or that if they did, we'd never know. Over the years, the belief hardened into dogma. Then, in the mid-'60s, came Jane Goodall. Since she had little scientific training, she had never been indoctrinated with behaviorist theory. "But I'd had this amazing teacher my whole life," she says. That would be Rusty, a little black mongrel who lived at a hotel in her childhood neighborhood. "He went everywhere with me, and he didn't even belong to me," she says. "At the hotel he was disobedient, but he was beautifully behaved and sensitive with me. Of course, I thought animals had emotions, personalities, minds. How could I not?" Goodall unknowingly rebelled against standard scientific practices in the wilds of Africa, giving her chimps names instead of impersonal numbers and describing their behavior with words like "joy," "depression" and "grief." The dons at Cambridge University rolled their eyes, but her studies were ultimately irrefutable. They might never have happened, Goodall notes, if she hadn't preferred Rusty to "the scientific treadmill."

Today, thanks to those studies, the treadmill is a rather different exercise. Researchers carrying on Goodall's legacy are finding that it extends far beyond chimps, to dogs, cats, birds, rats and even animals as "simple" as the lowly octopus. All of them experience fear-the most ancient of the emotions, mediated by the amygdala, an almond-shaped organ in the brain. Many animals may feel something akin to love as well. Chimpanzees sometimes adopt baby chimps unrelated to them; horses have been known to form bonds so intense they refuse to spend the night in different stalls; whales have been spotted (albeit rarely) performing a peculiar dance that may be the equivalent of a human's postcoital cuddling.

 Not surprisingly, the animal that has shown researchers the most emotional complexity thus far is the dog. Bred as human companions for thousands of years, dogs have evolved into master communicators. Recent studies show they are even better than chimpanzees at reading human emotional cues, a trait that undoubtedly helped them in the quest for food and shelter in the caves of early man. They may be equally adept at expressing their own feelings and personalities. Samuel Gosling, a biologist at the University of Texas at Austin, says people can reliably "type" four dimensions of canine personality: sociability, affection, emotional stability and "competence," which combines obedience and intelligence. They're remarkably similar to the four basic categories of human personality found in standard psychological tests.
   

thefish

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2003, 01:38:46 am »
i'm going with the octopus and squid:)

Towelie

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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2003, 02:02:57 am »
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 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    




  I've seen ameba smarter than sub-human crackheads and Turban Menaces.

Rondo_GE

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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2003, 02:50:40 am »
Well dab leader has done a good job listing the big brains.

But for me this argument needs to be taken up another notch.  I have an intense interest in evolution.  So I have often thought about which species and which animal would be the next dominant species if we human primates were to fall.

I nominate the rodent;  specifically,. the Raccoon.  They are highly intelligent and carry in their genes all the equipment, ready-made, to replace us.  Plus they are about the most intensely adaptable mammals on the planet....

"They are primarily nocturnal and thrive in many cities as well as wilderness areas. In fact, the densest population of raccoons in New York is in New York City. "

http://www.pestquest.info/expertise/

....any animal that can make it in the Big Apple must have something special.  They have opposable thumbs, five "fingers", can untie knots and open almost anything that isn't locked.   I got up close personal with one (a pet of a friend).  She came ambling over to me then climbed up my leg and picked all my pockets... damned New Yorkers!   Also for some strange reason they have two kinds of senses in their fingers...touch and taste.  That's fairly original really.  

We've out competed or killed off almost all other super adaptable primates except ourselves so I am pretty positive at this point that the next dominant species would not be a primate.

Rodents and Primates have been in an evolutionary rivalry since the Permian when mammals gave way to the Dinosaur.  I doubt that nature will make a comeback with the Dinosaur despite the obvious cleverness of the Crow.   Birds don't have the equipment to   make  things...raccoons do.    If we were to disappear I'm almost positive their brains, no longer constrained to just surviving, would start to grow exponentially.  

So for me the question is not which animal is the most intelligent, but which one is the most potentially intelligent and dominant if we ourselves were to get...well...bleeped out.  
   

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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2003, 04:49:22 am »
Racoons are very clever. They routinely outsmarted us on bivouac at Ft hood  . We had coolers of junk food and soda with good latches. They opened them anyway. We put them in the cabs of military trucks. They went in the windows. We rolled the windows up. They managed to open the stiff latching handles, opened the doors, then they opened the cooler latches and had a picnic.   But they also have limitations. For example the food washing thing is a myth. They actually do it because the catch most of thier food that way and it is an instinct so strong that they take food to the edge of water and reenact catching it. They do not have to do this but they often are overpowered by programmed behavior. Not always but often.

Octopi would also be one of your evolver species.
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Rondo_GE

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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2003, 06:40:18 pm »
I would think so too about the Octopi but for some reason not entirely clear to me they havn't taken off.    Of course that might just be a matter of perception...or misperception on my part.  Their minds must be completely alien to anything we deal with above water.  There arn't that many large invertebrates at ground level and certainly nothing with he kind of brain size to body mass ratio like we see with these critters.

Problem is that there is a lot of mystery that surrounds this animal.  Having no hard parts the fossil record is scanty and nonexistent (except ofor the shelled types ammonites that went extinct ages ago).  Could it be that these creatures have already had their day and what we see now is a devolved form?  spooky.  

Stormbringer

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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2003, 07:37:07 pm »
I think their problem is thier short life spans the most intelligent and clever of them live the shortest lives. They have no time for anything but survival. But they grew that inate intelligence hard wired to optimize thier survival time. They are like the little rodents that were the first mammals. Outsmart the enemy.

Rondo_GE

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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2003, 09:30:50 pm »
A good read on this.
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Octopuses are Smart Suckers!
By

Jennifer A. Mather
Department of Psychology & Neuroscience
The University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge, Alberta T1K 3M4, Canada
mather@uleth.ca


and

Roland C. Anderson
The Seattle Aquarium
1483 Alaskan Way
Seattle, WA 98101 USA
roland.anderson@ci.seattle.wa.us

The same question about octopus behavior intrigued both authors, though at different places and from different backgrounds. While watching an Octopus vulgaris in Bermuda, the first author observed it sitting in its sheltering den after a foraging expedition, where it caught several crabs, took them home and ate them. Suddenly it jetted out directly to a small rock about two meters away, tucked it under its spread arms and jetted back. Going out three times more in different directions, it took up three more rocks and piled the resulting barrier in front of the entrance to its den. It held them in front with several arms and went to sleep. This didn't look like random action, but planning. The second author came in one morning to the Aquarium to find one of the giant Pacific octopuses had been busy overnight. The gravel on the tank bottom was dug up, the nylon cable ties that attached the undergravel filter to the tank had been bitten through and the detached filter had been bitten or torn into small pieces, which now floated on the water surface (experienced octopus keepers know that Murphy's Laws seem to apply especially to octopuses!). Again, this looked like a careful sequencing/planning of actions and learning put to use, though the reasons weren't at all obvious. These observations made both of us believe that octopuses could possibly be intelligent and use their intelligence for unexpected purposes.


When humans think of intelligence, we think of ourselves. This anthropocentric viewpoint is partly because intelligence has only really been studied in vertebrates and partly because we see its evolution as leading to the pinnacle called Homo sapiens. Until recently, there hasn't been any model of how another completely separate group could show us how intelligence might evolve differently than ours. Research on the octopuses is beginning to provide that alternate model.


An octopus is very different from a mammal. It only lives about two years. It has much less opportunity to gain and use intelligence than an elephant, which has a 50 year lifespan and three generations of a family to lead and learn from. Still, bees learn about flower locations from other bees, and they live only a few weeks as adults. However, an octopus is also not social; Humphrey (1976) suggested that intelligence has evolved to solve social dilemmas. The young octopus learns on its own with minimal contact with conspecifics and no influences of parental care or sibling rivalry. However, the octopus has a large brain with vertical and sub-frontal lobes dedicated just to storing learned information (Wells, 1978): it has the anatomy for a robust, built-in intelligence.

But, it is not enough to know that the anatomy predicts an animal to be intelligent without some idea of how it uses this ability. Investigations at Naples in the 1950s and 1960s found that octopuses (or "octopi", if you want to Get Latin!!) can learn a wide array of visual patterns, encoding information mostly by comparing edges, orientations and shapes. They also learned by touch, and tactile information seemed to be stored in a different brain area than visual. Intent on just demonstrating learning abilities at first, researchers did not follow up to find what octopuses were doing with this learning in their ocean home. As ethology's (ie, the ethical or "moral" side of science, which discourages direct experimentation on intelligent animals) emphasis on observation of natural behavior in the field began to fill the gap (see Lehner, 1998), the Naples studies ended, and no linkage was made between abstract information storage and the use of learning in daily life. Finally, this gap is being bridged by such works as Hanlon and Messenger (1996), who provide an overview of cephalopod behavior. But, even asking the right questions about octopus intelligence is difficult, since we understand so little of their minds. Watching an animal and wondering how it is organizing its world, then testing it to see if your guesses have some foundation - that is very difficult indeed! Still, we are starting to get some answers both by observing in the field and by studying areas such as prey manipulation, personality and play (yes, play!) in the octopus.

One of the insights into how we might view octopus intelligence came for the first author when reading Neisser's (1976) definition of cognition (ie, thinking) as "all the processes by which sensory input is transformed, reduced, elaborated, stored, recovered and used." It seemed a focal issue: what were octopuses in the ocean doing with the information that learning studies said they could acquire? One study we undertook centered on what we came to call the "Packaging Problem". The problem posed was how an octopus could utilize a delectable clam enclosed in its hard shell, - to get at the soft, delectable clam body. This is the end result of what Vermeij (1993) called an "evolutionary arms race": many predators evolved means of penetrating the hard shell the clam uses to protect itself, which is held together by powerful muscles - sea stars pull the valves apart, oyster-catcher birds pry them apart, moon snails (Naticidae) drill a hole into the shell, and gulls drop the clam from a carefully calculated height onto rocks or road pavement. But the octopus goes these predators one better: it can use several different strategies to solve this Packaging Problem, instead of just one or two!

Octopuses come well-equipped with an arsenal of different solutions for use in feeding. They have the holding ability of hundreds of suckers and the pulling power of the eight muscular arms, flexible because they are boneless (see Mather, 1998 for arm movement capacity). Underneath, inside the mouth at the junction of the arms, they have a parrot like twin beak for biting. Also inside the mouth are two more useful structures, the radula with teeth for rasping and the extendible salivary papilla. It delivers cephalotoxin, a neuromuscular function blocker that can kill a crab in several minutes (Boyle, 1990). Fortunately for us, only the venom of Haplochlaena spp. octopuses (the famous "blue" octoupuses!) has proven fatal to humans.

Since octopuses are well set up to "recover and use" information for solving the problem of the clam's protection, we set out to determine what the giant (up to 50 kg) Pacific octopus, Enteroctopus dofleini, would do to get at three types of bivalves. When we offered them separately or together at the Seattle Aquarium, octopuses ate many Venerupis (a Venus Clam) clams, some Mytilus (mussels) and few Protothaca clams. The prey species were each opened differently, however. The fragile mussel shells were simply broken and the stronger Venerupis were pulled apart. The thick shelled Protothaca were drilled with the octopuses' radula and salivary papilla, or chipped with the beak, then injected with poison which weakened the adductor muscle holding the valves together. The octopuses' strategy to penetrate into the different clams varied. When offered the clams opened ìon the half shell, the octopuses changed preference and consumed both clam species, but hardly any mussels. When they didn't have to work hard for the clam meat, they liked Protothaca. Some clue that effort might be the reason for this shift came when we measured the resistance to opening force of the adductor muscles of the bivalves: Mytilus resisted until an average of 2.2 kg, Venerupis, 3.6 kg, and Protothaca to 4.6 kg. Octopuses could also shift their penetration strategies. When live Venerupis clams were wired shut with stainless steel wire, the octopuses couldn't pull the valves apart, so they then tried drilling and chipping as penetration techniques (given empty weighted shells glued shut, the octopuses ignored them; they were on to that trick right away!). This flexibility of strategies echoes what Wodinsky (1969) found with Octopus vulgaris drilling Strombus gastropods. These octopuses drilled through the shell apex to poison and weaken the snails' adductor muscles. When he coated this part of the shell with latex, they just pulled it off, then drilled as before. When he then put on aluminum, they simply drilled through the metal and shell, but when he coated it with impenetrable dental plastic they drilled elsewhere on the shell, or pulled the snail out by sheer force. For both species of octopus, the motto might be "do whatever works to get your meal!" They were intelligently adapting the penetration technique to the clam species presented and the situation in which they were placed.

The first author (Jennifer Mather) also noticed this pragmatism (ie, a "whatever it takes to get the job done" attitude!) and identified tool use by octopuses during field studies in Bermuda (Mather, 1994). Tool use does not automatically denote learning but the range of uses of one tool, water, also suggests the octopus is intelligent: circulation of water in molluscan mantle cavities is primarily used for respiration and removal of wastes, and secondarily for locomotion in scallops and squid (Morton, 1967). Octopuses also use water jets through their flexible funnel for tertiary (ie, additional) functions such as cleaning out their dens. They gather an armful of rocks and sand under their web, go to the den entrance and tilt the web upward, then blow the whole lot out and away with a water blast from their funnel! Similarly, an octopus holds a crab under the web, dismembers it, eats the flesh and holds the cleaned out exoskeletal pieces. At meal's end, it tilts up the web and blows the pieces outside, adding to a midden outside the den. Scavenging fish attend octopuses when they go hunting, and when they discard remains onto this midden. One of the techniques octopuses use to repel these "pests" is to direct strong blasts of water jet at them - like a water gun!! (Mather, 1992). On occasion, an octopus jets water to repel human observers, and octopuses in the lab have jetted into the faces of researchers or onto their delicate electrical equipment.

In the laboratory, octopuses adapt and use this water jet in a behavior that has generally been considered exclusively of vertebrates: they play (Mather and Anderson, 1999). We set out to prove that octopuses (Enteroctopus dofleini in particular) play, deciding that being in a non-stimulating situation except for having an item that they could manipulate, might cause such activity. A floating pill bottle, which sometimes drifted in the current from the water intake, was the item. We didn't expect social play from a solitary animal, rather that the exploration that the octopus mentioned at the start of this paper demonstrated so well by tearing apart its tank would turn the focus of its behavior, as Hutt (1966) suggested, from "what does this object do?" to "what can I do with the object? Every octopus jetted at the floating toy at least once in the ten trials, but only two of them reached the criteria for play. These were 1) regular repetitions of 2) simple acts for 3) over 5 minutes, of pill bottle repulsion toward the water inlet jet and return by it. One octopus set up a 2 minute circuit of the bottle around the tank and a second jetted the toy straight towards the water intake, getting a return in 30 seconds. This prompted a long distance call from the more skeptical second author to the first, in the middle of one of those busy academic days, with the simple message "She's bouncing the ball!"

Play is a difficult and sometimes controversial area, as it does not delineate a separate category of behaviors. Forms that are seen as play merge into other categories of "useful" actions (Fagen, 1981). This example appears to be a small glimpse of that continuum, change in the use of mantle water circulation from its basic molluscan function to newer situations. Play involves the detachment of actions from their primary context, and such flexibility is both a basis and a sign of intelligence, whether it be shown in a person or a fish or an octopus. It is the formation of a new combination of information input and actions.

A third aspect of the lives of the octopuses which shows their capacity for acquiring different responses is their possession of "personalities". The impetus for this study came from the second author's work at the Seattle Aquarium (Anderson, 1987). Volunteers are the backbone of public institutions such as the Aquarium, and volunteers see animals a little differently than scientists. They give individual names to three species of animals in the Aquarium - the seals, the sea otters, and the octopuses. There was "Leisure Suit Larry", named for a video game character who would be cited daily for sexual harassment on the job for excessive touching. There was "Emily Dickinson", who hid behind the tank's backdrop and could barely be coaxed out. And there was "Lucretia McEvil", whose destructive acts are featured at the beginning of this article. Volunteers shied away from feeding her because she would try to pull them down into her tank.

We decided to take this impression of differences between individuals and systematize it: what would it mean to say that octopuses had personalities, and into what categories might we fit them? So we started an octopus vs octopus study of the small Pacific red octopus Octopus rubescens. Instead of testing in a novel situation and calculating average responses, we tested three everyday situations to find variation. The situations were alerting, threat and feeding, and over three years 44 octopuses were tallied for nineteen responses. To find variation rather than averages, we did some difficult and "advanced" statistics: a Factor Analysis and then a Principal Components Analysis. What the first does is to group behaviors into clusters of occurrence amongst individuals, called Factors, and our analysis told us there were three Factors, described below. The Principal Components Analysis changed these factors slightly so they were not correlated with each other and could then be called Dimensions of Personality. Each octopus (and any future one) could then be placed somewhere on each of these dimensions, and could be given an Octopus Personality Profile (Mather and Anderson, 1993).

Once the researcher has these dimensions, they can be assigned names. In the octopuses' case we chose three: Activity, Reactivity and Avoidance. So an Active octopus reacted to the threatening probe by grabbing it, a Reactive one performed a set of behaviors that put distance between itself and the threat and an Avoidant one tried to stay away from the situation in the first place. This catalog of variation is interesting by itself, but the dimensions occur in other animals as well. Fish, monkeys and people differ on some variable often called Shyness, on another called Emotionality and a third defined as Exploration or Activity. While the dimensions were of course extracted from the responses by a human brain, they are similar in phylogenetically (ie, gentically) distant animals (see Gosling and John, 1999).

Why does this matter to the demonstration of intelligence? For one thing, personality overlays intelligence. Autistic children's intelligence is often hard to measure because they don't like people well enough to cooperate with the testers. Patterson and Linden (1981) found the gorilla Koko showed the same withdrawal in the middle of an intelligence test; he got bored and started pressing the same button over and over. One octopus in a group being tested for spatial memory "freaked out" at being put in an open tank and circled the tank for ten minutes at a time (personal observation). She never had a chance to learn the task. Was she stupid? Povinelli, et al., (1993) tested chimpanzees for self recognition and made sure to test many individuals to cover this variation. They concluded that the differences were so high that individuals' intellectual level would have been assessed as typical of quite different species, and not just the one!

In addition, "personality" allows individuals to show intelligence. If the sensory input is to be "transformed, reduced, elaborated, stored recovered and used" (Neisser, 1976), it has to be on the basis of individual variation. The intelligent animal can master variable environments by using all these processes, and that leads us back to the topic: what is intelligence like? Indeed, it may be the variable environment that selects for intelligence, in a Darwinian "survival of the fittest" sense: since many octopus species spend their early months in as plankton, drifting to all sorts of different habitat-types: the octopus that settles out of the plankton onto a rocky shoreline has to learn to find different prey and avoid different predators than the one that finds its home under the only rock on a sandy bottom. Without this ability to become different, they won't survive. Coping with a variable environment is what will demonstrate the asocial octopus's particular "take" on intelligence. Thus, the studies of Fiorito et al. (1999) on the octopus's ability to open a glass jar and Hanlon et al.ís (1999) assessment of the avoidance strategies of O. cyanea to a threatening human also open a window on the octopuses use of intelligence.

Perhaps it is this individual sensitivity to change, honed by intelligence and variability, that has been the key to the success of both the cephalopods and the higher vertebrates. Similarities that could lead us to understand the evolution of intelligence in octopuses and humans are few, but thought-provoking: 1) neither group has the protection of exoskeleton, scales or armor, 2) both have evolved in complex environments, the octopod in the tropical coral reef and the hominid in the savanna edge, and 3) both have considerable variability among individuals and the ability of being able to change their behaviour to help them survive. So, perhaps looking at the octopuses through their intelligence, feeding flexibility, predator avoidance, play, and personality helps us also look at aspects of ourselves, from another angle!

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Boyle, P.R. 1990. Prey handling and salivary secretions in octopi. In: M. Barnes and R.N Gibson (eds). Trophic relationships in the marine environment. Proc. 24th Eur. Mar. Biol. Symp. Aberdeen University Press (Aberdeen, Scotland). pp. 541-552.

Fagen, R. 1981. Animal play behavior. Oxford University Press (Oxford, UK). 684 pp.

Fiorito, G., C. von Planta and P. Scotto. 1990. Problem solving ability of Octopus vulgaris Lamarck (Mollusca: Cephalopoda). Behavioral and Neural Biology. 53:217-230.

Gosling, S.D. and O.P. John. 1999. Personality dimensions in nonhuman animals, a cross-species review. Current Directions in Psychological Science. 8:69-75

Hanlon, R.T. and J.B. Messenger. 1996. Cephalopod Behaviour. Cambridge University Press. 232 pp.

Hanlon, R.T., J.W. Forsythe and D.E. Joneschild. 1999. Crypsis, conspicuousness, mimicry and polyphenism as antipredator defences of foraging octopuses on Indo-Pacific coral reefs, with a method of quantifying crypsis from video tapes. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society. 66:1-22.

Hutt, C. 1966. Exploration and play in children. Symposium of the Zoological Society of London. 18:61-81.

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Stormbringer

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2003, 10:06:38 pm »
Hmmmm. I'm curious as to why they did not mention the well documented jar opening ability [Ooops. Missed it the first time. It does mention it.] or the nightly escapes and strolls these creatures sometimes do. Those are far more spectacular though the water jet stuff is interesting. Some of the related species actually communicate with light patterns and use light patterns to Hypnotize thier prey or create illusions of receding. They have been proven to be able to control thier pigmentation down to the individual melanin cells. They can control all of them (millions or billions) individually showing startling parallel processing capabilities. They have incredible built in intelligence perhaps moreso than any other animal. I think they do not have enough time to develop additional learned intelligence and that is the only reason the things are not the "people" of the sea.
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2003, 08:00:08 am »
Any species who can't master fire isn't going far up the evolutionary ladder..  Fire is a prerequisite for civilization, which pretty much ensure dolphins, whales, and arthropods aren't going anywhere fast, unless they come back onto land.  

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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2003, 08:20:58 am »
Only a technological species. The critters in the sea have no need for it. Thier environment is rich enough in stimuli and challenges to develop their intelligence. Plus, they do have access to fire in a limited fashion, The volcanic rifts, smokers and so forth.  

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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2003, 07:03:53 am »
Ladies and gentlmen your nominees, please... State the animal ( other than primates ) you think most closely approaches  human intelligence and on what evidence you base that choice. I nominate Octopi and thier relations, dolphins, and for third place Crows. I'll explain my choices later. This is a fun post but be serious in your choices and explanations. later. I'm going shopping.

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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2003, 08:55:59 am »
White lab mice, dolphins, then us humans.  We really screwed up the computer...  

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2003, 09:35:24 am »
Elves, Dwarves, Balrogs.

TheBigCheese

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2003, 09:58:10 am »
My ex  

Corbomite

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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2003, 10:01:21 am »
Humans are intelligent? Wow! You learn something new every day!

JMM

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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2003, 11:02:35 am »
LMAO @ big cheese's post...  

JMM

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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2003, 11:09:21 am »
I'll also vote for my soon to be ex, only a naca drives a car into high water thus sucking up water into the intake and trashing the engine... Silly rabbit, water does NOT compress... Let the wench try that with the 03 Camry instead of the 92, bet she'll learn one day...  

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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2003, 12:11:20 pm »
 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    

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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2003, 12:32:47 pm »
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 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    




Ah, I see you've been driving in Austin lately.    

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« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2003, 02:09:49 pm »
I would agree on the crows,  they are able to remember who drops stuff and who doesn't. they never end up as roadkill like seagulls, Then again they dont seem to be not able to remember who is not a threat, and more than once, when approaching one on a bike, it would fly away in the direction I'm going, land, see me still coming and then take off again, this happened for almost two blocks.

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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2003, 02:26:32 pm »
My nominations:

Most intelligent non-humans:
Chimpanzees

Most intelligent non-primate mamals:
Elephants

Most intelligent non-mammalian vertebrates:
Parrots, Crows

Most intelligent invertebrates:
Octopus

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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2003, 06:35:30 pm »
As promised; Crows because they can be taught to speak (or at least members of thier family can, and they can use tools as recently proven. Dolphins due to thier complex language, behaviors and large brain size and complex brain structure. It remains to be seen if they can be considered truly intelligent in a sentient sort of way because their environment is so alien that we might not be able to recognize thier actual level. they have no hands or need for tools or technology. Now the octopi; they can control the "color of individual irridiphores and pigment cells by the millions or billions. They communicate with complex light pattern languages. They can recognize different animals and know those animals enemies and some can mimick those enemies in an uncanny way. They can open jars to get at food inside. They can escape from the tightest secured tanks, travel to another tank across the room, have a snack and sneak back into thier old tank to appear innocent of mischief. They are very clever creatures. Especially since they are so short lived. If they lived much longer I'd be really frightened of how smart they could become. Octopi are awesome.
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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2003, 08:45:44 pm »
My birds use language in ways that occaisionally surprise me.  They are normally able to respond to certain situations in appropriate ways....saying "Goodnight" when I turn out the lights or yelling at the kids when they're too noisy.  Back in the day when we just had one pet she seemed able to apply language to novel situations in appropriate ways...though I can't remember a specific example.  It always happened at times and in ways that left me wondering if I had heard what I thought I had.  Our oldest used to get put in "timeout" by the bird.  She would hear her name and "timeout" and did what she was told.  She was very young.


I've always wanted to keep a crow or an octopus.



For my vote I'm inclined to nominate my goats.  They're not very bright but have an uncanny ability to be where I don't want them to be.  They are virtually imposible to work around and if you're not very careful they'll figure out what is most vulnerable and destroy... destroy .....DESTROY.  





 

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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2003, 09:58:25 pm »
My family had a goat when I was still in school. We thought it was neat when she would jump into our laps when she was a kid.  But they grow up and she would still jump up into your lap when she wieghed in as a fully grown goat. Hooves hurt. A lot. Couldn't sit down outside for fear of getting racked by a goat. And they'll eat any plant in range as long is it is not an unwanted weed.  

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« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2003, 12:31:24 am »
Interesting conversation, I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through _The Alex Studies_ by Irene Pepperberg. Much information and research she did points toward Grey intelligence rivaling, if not exceeding, that of chimpanzees and dolphins, though a lot of it has to do with ease of communication. Very fascinating reading. I'm hoping to get a Grey next Spring. Corvids come close but don't measure up in the research... not to say they're less intelligent, just that parrots are more amicable, it seems, to testing. No question that crows and ravens are strikingly intelligent.

Puddle, what kind of birds do you have?  

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« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2003, 12:41:03 am »
I'll admit parrots appear more intelligent due to communication ease but crows make and use tools.

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« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2003, 12:52:42 am »
They do, and as I said, I wasn't discounting their intelligence -- but parrots (not just Greys, but especially them) also make and use tools extensively. The one thing that would lead me to believe that Greys are more intelligent than crows has to do with their society -- it's quite intricate and involved. It could be that I'm confusing lack of knowledge for lack of complexity with regard to crow society, but from what I know of them they're more ordinary with regard to flock behavior. Parrot communication is not just easier for humans to access, it's also much more elaborate than crow vocal communication. There are studies about crows and ample evidence that they can count (they use the number of caws in a sequence to identify each other in a large group), which is a higher level cognitive function, but just as a personal guess I would say that between a crow and a grey parrot, the parrot would have a higher IQ.  

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« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2003, 01:01:47 am »
I have not studied them extensively just seen a documentary. I have seen similar documentaries that claimed that parrot lanuage is more than mere mimickry which agrees with what puddle said. as to tool use I was unaware parrots used tools other thamn perhaps rock hammers. crows select and modify twigs to fit tasks. They also use the common rock hammer tool. They probably use the drop/plummet tool as well but I cannot recall seeing this documented. Thanks for adding on topic material to this thread. That makes three out of about ten.  

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« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2003, 01:15:52 am »
I take it by the term Grey we are talking about African Grey parrots? My grandparents had one, and even though that S.O.B. always tried to bite me, he could really talk, a highly intelligent bird. I wish he was alive along with my grandfather, I would go tell that bird a thing or two nowadays...  

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« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2003, 01:54:20 am »
Just cruising around looking for links here... this is a pretty cool story about crows. I did know about the twig stuff, but this was in a study, where a crow unexpectedly grabbed a wire, flew off with it, and used it to make a hook and get the food they had put in a bottle:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2178920.stm

The tool story I remember most was of a crow using passing cars as a tool to open nuts. It would sit on the side of a highway, watch the cars go by, then get a nut, put it in the path of the tire tracks, and wait. A few cars would come by, eventually crushing the nut. Crow hops down and eats it, then goes to find another nut and repeats the process. They're definitely very, very smart.

Right at the moment I can't find any online resources for parrot tool use, but more than other birds, even, parrots are very tactile with their feet and use them almost like hands. Alex, the famous CAG (Congo African Grey), learned to request objects, and one of the objects he requested frequently, rather than being food, was a metal key, so that he could use it to scratch under his beak. Their tool use is broad, and I'll have to look further to find more instances of it... at the moment I'm about to go to bed. =)

One anecdote from Bird Talk that I remember, though, shows contextual intelligence and problem solving (and is just really funny). The Grey in question had been told many times when being offered an object "Use your claw" -- assumedly the bird would grab first with its beak, and the owners wanted to teach it to accept things with its claw instead. The family had a football party and were watching the game on the big screen -- eating, talking, not paying attention to the bird. The guy on the screen fumbles the ball, and the bird pipes up: "Use your claw!"

In another instance, a family was selling their couch, and the buyers came over to pick it up. Their Grey flew over, landed on the couch, and announced "I pooped here!" Sure enough, he had, and the sellers hadn't noticed. Oops. The bird had not been known to do that kind of thing on other occasions. The somewhat scary thing about these birds is that they can hear something once in context and apply it months or even years later, unexpectedly.

Their behavior is incredibly fascinating. In some ways it's very intimidating to be pursuing the prospect of owning one. (And a bird like that more owns you than you it...) But I would very highly recommend Irene Pepperberg's book. Very little of it is the clever anecdotes, but there's an extremely thorough documentation of her research process, and of Alex's behavior throughout. He surprised them a number of times, and it's nothing short of staggering what they're teaching him to do. They're hoping that eventually they will teach him to read. Pepperberg's work has been used, in addition to the animal behavior field and the whole of our perception of animal cognition, to help children with communication disabilities, since she's tracked down much of the way that Alex learns and some of it has a direct analog to developmental speech in humans.

The next book I'm going to track down in the animal behavior category is, I think, _Next of Kin_, by Roger Fouts. It might be another one, I have the exact book info written down on my laptop... in any case one of the more highly praised books about chimpanzee intelligence.  

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« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2003, 07:27:44 am »
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Interesting conversation, I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through _The Alex Studies_ by Irene Pepperberg. Much information and research she did points toward Grey intelligence rivaling, if not exceeding, that of chimpanzees and dolphins, though a lot of it has to do with ease of communication. Very fascinating reading. I'm hoping to get a Grey next Spring. Corvids come close but don't measure up in the research... not to say they're less intelligent, just that parrots are more amicable, it seems, to testing. No question that crows and ravens are strikingly intelligent.

Puddle, what kind of birds do you have?  




White bellied caiques, pacific parrotlets, and three greys.

We hand raised our first grey.  She eventually hit sexual maturity and became unpleasant.  A friend of ours gave us a wild caught male(still very wild) and they hit it off.  The third bird is the offspring of the first two and a great bird....far nicer than her mother ever was.



 

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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2003, 12:56:42 pm »
The white mice have dissappeared. So have the Dolphins. The computer has been upgraded and reset.

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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2003, 12:58:31 pm »
Elephants are indeed intelligent, good memories and communicate with infrasound for perhaps 50 miles or more in range.

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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2003, 12:25:18 am »
Dogs.. they trained a species to bring them food, chauffer them around,  and make little sweaters for them to keep them from being cold.

Seriously, raw intelligence, probably not, but some research seems to indicate dogs experience emotions closer to humans than any other animal, and they are better at picking up on our emotions than any other species.  A recent research project tested this theory with wolves and coyotes, and other species, against dogs (determining what a human wanted with minimal input).  Dogs won it paws down..

Animal Emotions


Pet owners have long believed their companions loved them back. Scientists once scoffed, but now they're coming around

© 2003 Newsweek, Inc. By Mary Carmichael with Jamie Reno and Hilary Shenfeld (July 21)

Everyone who's ever owned a pet has at least one story (usually many, actually) of an animal that seems just as emotional as any human.

TAKE RUTH OSMENT, who says her two cats, Penny and Jo, feel sorry for her when she cries-running to her and drying her tears with their fur. Or Donna Westlund, whose roommate's parrot Koko shows all the classic signs of a teenage crush, calling out "Hey, come here," whenever she tries to leave the room.

Then there's John Van Zante. Recently, he watched Max, a Labrador retriever mix, sit lovingly by a woman in a wheelchair in a convalescent home while she patted his head for several minutes. It wasn't until the elderly woman wheeled off down the hall that Van Zante realized she had been parked on Max's tail the entire time. Max hadn't complained at all. "He was in pain, clearly, but he seemed to know that she had special needs, so he just sat through it," says Van Zante, communications director for the Helen Woodward Animal Center in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif.


NO EMOTIONS?
Van Zante doesn't understand why some scientists argue that animals have no emotions, that they merely respond to incentives like so many automatons. "If we were purely a source for food, I'm certain that Max's reaction would have been different," he says. "Haven't these scientists noticed that their cats can't wait to rub up against their legs and reclaim ownership of their people after a day at work? Don't they take the time to greet their tail-wagging dogs when they get home?"

Well, yes. But they're not as starry-eyed about what they see. For decades, psychologists have discounted the idea that pets can love their humans back. They have argued that animals that appear to express emotions are merely reacting to hormonal rushes triggered-in cold, but typical, technical language-by "outside stimuli." But that view is changing, thanks to a loosely knit band of researchers working in fields as far-flung as neurobiology and behavioral observation. With new evidence gleaned from studies of dogs, chimps and sundry other creatures, science is starting to catch up to what pet owners have always suspected: animals experience surges of deep-seated fear, jealousy and grief-and, most important, love. Unlike the few researchers who came before them, the scientists leading the new movement actually have solid evidence. "Five years ago my colleagues would have thought I was off my rocker," says biologist Marc Bekoff. "But now scientists are finally starting to talk about animal emotions in public. It's like they're coming out of the closet."

And at an apt time, too-more and more pet owners now depend on their furry and feathered friends for emotional support. "People are delaying having children, but they still need that connection, that love," says Tamar Geller, owner of The Loved Dog Co. in Los Angeles. For many in that crowd, she says, pets are serving as surrogate kids. That may explain the sudden surge in interest; the push to find out what pets and other animals are thinking is being driven largely by those who love them. After all, if you're going to devote years of affection to an animal, isn't it nice to think it's not unrequited?


LEARNING FROM RUSTY
Aside from Charles Darwin, most students of animal behavior in the past believed that animals didn't have emotions-or that if they did, we'd never know. Over the years, the belief hardened into dogma. Then, in the mid-'60s, came Jane Goodall. Since she had little scientific training, she had never been indoctrinated with behaviorist theory. "But I'd had this amazing teacher my whole life," she says. That would be Rusty, a little black mongrel who lived at a hotel in her childhood neighborhood. "He went everywhere with me, and he didn't even belong to me," she says. "At the hotel he was disobedient, but he was beautifully behaved and sensitive with me. Of course, I thought animals had emotions, personalities, minds. How could I not?" Goodall unknowingly rebelled against standard scientific practices in the wilds of Africa, giving her chimps names instead of impersonal numbers and describing their behavior with words like "joy," "depression" and "grief." The dons at Cambridge University rolled their eyes, but her studies were ultimately irrefutable. They might never have happened, Goodall notes, if she hadn't preferred Rusty to "the scientific treadmill."

Today, thanks to those studies, the treadmill is a rather different exercise. Researchers carrying on Goodall's legacy are finding that it extends far beyond chimps, to dogs, cats, birds, rats and even animals as "simple" as the lowly octopus. All of them experience fear-the most ancient of the emotions, mediated by the amygdala, an almond-shaped organ in the brain. Many animals may feel something akin to love as well. Chimpanzees sometimes adopt baby chimps unrelated to them; horses have been known to form bonds so intense they refuse to spend the night in different stalls; whales have been spotted (albeit rarely) performing a peculiar dance that may be the equivalent of a human's postcoital cuddling.

 Not surprisingly, the animal that has shown researchers the most emotional complexity thus far is the dog. Bred as human companions for thousands of years, dogs have evolved into master communicators. Recent studies show they are even better than chimpanzees at reading human emotional cues, a trait that undoubtedly helped them in the quest for food and shelter in the caves of early man. They may be equally adept at expressing their own feelings and personalities. Samuel Gosling, a biologist at the University of Texas at Austin, says people can reliably "type" four dimensions of canine personality: sociability, affection, emotional stability and "competence," which combines obedience and intelligence. They're remarkably similar to the four basic categories of human personality found in standard psychological tests.
   

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2003, 01:38:46 am »
i'm going with the octopus and squid:)

Towelie

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2003, 02:02:57 am »
Quote:

 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    




  I've seen ameba smarter than sub-human crackheads and Turban Menaces.

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2003, 02:50:40 am »
Well dab leader has done a good job listing the big brains.

But for me this argument needs to be taken up another notch.  I have an intense interest in evolution.  So I have often thought about which species and which animal would be the next dominant species if we human primates were to fall.

I nominate the rodent;  specifically,. the Raccoon.  They are highly intelligent and carry in their genes all the equipment, ready-made, to replace us.  Plus they are about the most intensely adaptable mammals on the planet....

"They are primarily nocturnal and thrive in many cities as well as wilderness areas. In fact, the densest population of raccoons in New York is in New York City. "

http://www.pestquest.info/expertise/

....any animal that can make it in the Big Apple must have something special.  They have opposable thumbs, five "fingers", can untie knots and open almost anything that isn't locked.   I got up close personal with one (a pet of a friend).  She came ambling over to me then climbed up my leg and picked all my pockets... damned New Yorkers!   Also for some strange reason they have two kinds of senses in their fingers...touch and taste.  That's fairly original really.  

We've out competed or killed off almost all other super adaptable primates except ourselves so I am pretty positive at this point that the next dominant species would not be a primate.

Rodents and Primates have been in an evolutionary rivalry since the Permian when mammals gave way to the Dinosaur.  I doubt that nature will make a comeback with the Dinosaur despite the obvious cleverness of the Crow.   Birds don't have the equipment to   make  things...raccoons do.    If we were to disappear I'm almost positive their brains, no longer constrained to just surviving, would start to grow exponentially.  

So for me the question is not which animal is the most intelligent, but which one is the most potentially intelligent and dominant if we ourselves were to get...well...bleeped out.  
   

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« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2003, 04:49:22 am »
Racoons are very clever. They routinely outsmarted us on bivouac at Ft hood  . We had coolers of junk food and soda with good latches. They opened them anyway. We put them in the cabs of military trucks. They went in the windows. We rolled the windows up. They managed to open the stiff latching handles, opened the doors, then they opened the cooler latches and had a picnic.   But they also have limitations. For example the food washing thing is a myth. They actually do it because the catch most of thier food that way and it is an instinct so strong that they take food to the edge of water and reenact catching it. They do not have to do this but they often are overpowered by programmed behavior. Not always but often.

Octopi would also be one of your evolver species.
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« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2003, 06:40:18 pm »
I would think so too about the Octopi but for some reason not entirely clear to me they havn't taken off.    Of course that might just be a matter of perception...or misperception on my part.  Their minds must be completely alien to anything we deal with above water.  There arn't that many large invertebrates at ground level and certainly nothing with he kind of brain size to body mass ratio like we see with these critters.

Problem is that there is a lot of mystery that surrounds this animal.  Having no hard parts the fossil record is scanty and nonexistent (except ofor the shelled types ammonites that went extinct ages ago).  Could it be that these creatures have already had their day and what we see now is a devolved form?  spooky.  

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2003, 07:37:07 pm »
I think their problem is thier short life spans the most intelligent and clever of them live the shortest lives. They have no time for anything but survival. But they grew that inate intelligence hard wired to optimize thier survival time. They are like the little rodents that were the first mammals. Outsmart the enemy.

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2003, 09:30:50 pm »
A good read on this.
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Octopuses are Smart Suckers!
By

Jennifer A. Mather
Department of Psychology & Neuroscience
The University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge, Alberta T1K 3M4, Canada
mather@uleth.ca


and

Roland C. Anderson
The Seattle Aquarium
1483 Alaskan Way
Seattle, WA 98101 USA
roland.anderson@ci.seattle.wa.us

The same question about octopus behavior intrigued both authors, though at different places and from different backgrounds. While watching an Octopus vulgaris in Bermuda, the first author observed it sitting in its sheltering den after a foraging expedition, where it caught several crabs, took them home and ate them. Suddenly it jetted out directly to a small rock about two meters away, tucked it under its spread arms and jetted back. Going out three times more in different directions, it took up three more rocks and piled the resulting barrier in front of the entrance to its den. It held them in front with several arms and went to sleep. This didn't look like random action, but planning. The second author came in one morning to the Aquarium to find one of the giant Pacific octopuses had been busy overnight. The gravel on the tank bottom was dug up, the nylon cable ties that attached the undergravel filter to the tank had been bitten through and the detached filter had been bitten or torn into small pieces, which now floated on the water surface (experienced octopus keepers know that Murphy's Laws seem to apply especially to octopuses!). Again, this looked like a careful sequencing/planning of actions and learning put to use, though the reasons weren't at all obvious. These observations made both of us believe that octopuses could possibly be intelligent and use their intelligence for unexpected purposes.


When humans think of intelligence, we think of ourselves. This anthropocentric viewpoint is partly because intelligence has only really been studied in vertebrates and partly because we see its evolution as leading to the pinnacle called Homo sapiens. Until recently, there hasn't been any model of how another completely separate group could show us how intelligence might evolve differently than ours. Research on the octopuses is beginning to provide that alternate model.


An octopus is very different from a mammal. It only lives about two years. It has much less opportunity to gain and use intelligence than an elephant, which has a 50 year lifespan and three generations of a family to lead and learn from. Still, bees learn about flower locations from other bees, and they live only a few weeks as adults. However, an octopus is also not social; Humphrey (1976) suggested that intelligence has evolved to solve social dilemmas. The young octopus learns on its own with minimal contact with conspecifics and no influences of parental care or sibling rivalry. However, the octopus has a large brain with vertical and sub-frontal lobes dedicated just to storing learned information (Wells, 1978): it has the anatomy for a robust, built-in intelligence.

But, it is not enough to know that the anatomy predicts an animal to be intelligent without some idea of how it uses this ability. Investigations at Naples in the 1950s and 1960s found that octopuses (or "octopi", if you want to Get Latin!!) can learn a wide array of visual patterns, encoding information mostly by comparing edges, orientations and shapes. They also learned by touch, and tactile information seemed to be stored in a different brain area than visual. Intent on just demonstrating learning abilities at first, researchers did not follow up to find what octopuses were doing with this learning in their ocean home. As ethology's (ie, the ethical or "moral" side of science, which discourages direct experimentation on intelligent animals) emphasis on observation of natural behavior in the field began to fill the gap (see Lehner, 1998), the Naples studies ended, and no linkage was made between abstract information storage and the use of learning in daily life. Finally, this gap is being bridged by such works as Hanlon and Messenger (1996), who provide an overview of cephalopod behavior. But, even asking the right questions about octopus intelligence is difficult, since we understand so little of their minds. Watching an animal and wondering how it is organizing its world, then testing it to see if your guesses have some foundation - that is very difficult indeed! Still, we are starting to get some answers both by observing in the field and by studying areas such as prey manipulation, personality and play (yes, play!) in the octopus.

One of the insights into how we might view octopus intelligence came for the first author when reading Neisser's (1976) definition of cognition (ie, thinking) as "all the processes by which sensory input is transformed, reduced, elaborated, stored, recovered and used." It seemed a focal issue: what were octopuses in the ocean doing with the information that learning studies said they could acquire? One study we undertook centered on what we came to call the "Packaging Problem". The problem posed was how an octopus could utilize a delectable clam enclosed in its hard shell, - to get at the soft, delectable clam body. This is the end result of what Vermeij (1993) called an "evolutionary arms race": many predators evolved means of penetrating the hard shell the clam uses to protect itself, which is held together by powerful muscles - sea stars pull the valves apart, oyster-catcher birds pry them apart, moon snails (Naticidae) drill a hole into the shell, and gulls drop the clam from a carefully calculated height onto rocks or road pavement. But the octopus goes these predators one better: it can use several different strategies to solve this Packaging Problem, instead of just one or two!

Octopuses come well-equipped with an arsenal of different solutions for use in feeding. They have the holding ability of hundreds of suckers and the pulling power of the eight muscular arms, flexible because they are boneless (see Mather, 1998 for arm movement capacity). Underneath, inside the mouth at the junction of the arms, they have a parrot like twin beak for biting. Also inside the mouth are two more useful structures, the radula with teeth for rasping and the extendible salivary papilla. It delivers cephalotoxin, a neuromuscular function blocker that can kill a crab in several minutes (Boyle, 1990). Fortunately for us, only the venom of Haplochlaena spp. octopuses (the famous "blue" octoupuses!) has proven fatal to humans.

Since octopuses are well set up to "recover and use" information for solving the problem of the clam's protection, we set out to determine what the giant (up to 50 kg) Pacific octopus, Enteroctopus dofleini, would do to get at three types of bivalves. When we offered them separately or together at the Seattle Aquarium, octopuses ate many Venerupis (a Venus Clam) clams, some Mytilus (mussels) and few Protothaca clams. The prey species were each opened differently, however. The fragile mussel shells were simply broken and the stronger Venerupis were pulled apart. The thick shelled Protothaca were drilled with the octopuses' radula and salivary papilla, or chipped with the beak, then injected with poison which weakened the adductor muscle holding the valves together. The octopuses' strategy to penetrate into the different clams varied. When offered the clams opened ìon the half shell, the octopuses changed preference and consumed both clam species, but hardly any mussels. When they didn't have to work hard for the clam meat, they liked Protothaca. Some clue that effort might be the reason for this shift came when we measured the resistance to opening force of the adductor muscles of the bivalves: Mytilus resisted until an average of 2.2 kg, Venerupis, 3.6 kg, and Protothaca to 4.6 kg. Octopuses could also shift their penetration strategies. When live Venerupis clams were wired shut with stainless steel wire, the octopuses couldn't pull the valves apart, so they then tried drilling and chipping as penetration techniques (given empty weighted shells glued shut, the octopuses ignored them; they were on to that trick right away!). This flexibility of strategies echoes what Wodinsky (1969) found with Octopus vulgaris drilling Strombus gastropods. These octopuses drilled through the shell apex to poison and weaken the snails' adductor muscles. When he coated this part of the shell with latex, they just pulled it off, then drilled as before. When he then put on aluminum, they simply drilled through the metal and shell, but when he coated it with impenetrable dental plastic they drilled elsewhere on the shell, or pulled the snail out by sheer force. For both species of octopus, the motto might be "do whatever works to get your meal!" They were intelligently adapting the penetration technique to the clam species presented and the situation in which they were placed.

The first author (Jennifer Mather) also noticed this pragmatism (ie, a "whatever it takes to get the job done" attitude!) and identified tool use by octopuses during field studies in Bermuda (Mather, 1994). Tool use does not automatically denote learning but the range of uses of one tool, water, also suggests the octopus is intelligent: circulation of water in molluscan mantle cavities is primarily used for respiration and removal of wastes, and secondarily for locomotion in scallops and squid (Morton, 1967). Octopuses also use water jets through their flexible funnel for tertiary (ie, additional) functions such as cleaning out their dens. They gather an armful of rocks and sand under their web, go to the den entrance and tilt the web upward, then blow the whole lot out and away with a water blast from their funnel! Similarly, an octopus holds a crab under the web, dismembers it, eats the flesh and holds the cleaned out exoskeletal pieces. At meal's end, it tilts up the web and blows the pieces outside, adding to a midden outside the den. Scavenging fish attend octopuses when they go hunting, and when they discard remains onto this midden. One of the techniques octopuses use to repel these "pests" is to direct strong blasts of water jet at them - like a water gun!! (Mather, 1992). On occasion, an octopus jets water to repel human observers, and octopuses in the lab have jetted into the faces of researchers or onto their delicate electrical equipment.

In the laboratory, octopuses adapt and use this water jet in a behavior that has generally been considered exclusively of vertebrates: they play (Mather and Anderson, 1999). We set out to prove that octopuses (Enteroctopus dofleini in particular) play, deciding that being in a non-stimulating situation except for having an item that they could manipulate, might cause such activity. A floating pill bottle, which sometimes drifted in the current from the water intake, was the item. We didn't expect social play from a solitary animal, rather that the exploration that the octopus mentioned at the start of this paper demonstrated so well by tearing apart its tank would turn the focus of its behavior, as Hutt (1966) suggested, from "what does this object do?" to "what can I do with the object? Every octopus jetted at the floating toy at least once in the ten trials, but only two of them reached the criteria for play. These were 1) regular repetitions of 2) simple acts for 3) over 5 minutes, of pill bottle repulsion toward the water inlet jet and return by it. One octopus set up a 2 minute circuit of the bottle around the tank and a second jetted the toy straight towards the water intake, getting a return in 30 seconds. This prompted a long distance call from the more skeptical second author to the first, in the middle of one of those busy academic days, with the simple message "She's bouncing the ball!"

Play is a difficult and sometimes controversial area, as it does not delineate a separate category of behaviors. Forms that are seen as play merge into other categories of "useful" actions (Fagen, 1981). This example appears to be a small glimpse of that continuum, change in the use of mantle water circulation from its basic molluscan function to newer situations. Play involves the detachment of actions from their primary context, and such flexibility is both a basis and a sign of intelligence, whether it be shown in a person or a fish or an octopus. It is the formation of a new combination of information input and actions.

A third aspect of the lives of the octopuses which shows their capacity for acquiring different responses is their possession of "personalities". The impetus for this study came from the second author's work at the Seattle Aquarium (Anderson, 1987). Volunteers are the backbone of public institutions such as the Aquarium, and volunteers see animals a little differently than scientists. They give individual names to three species of animals in the Aquarium - the seals, the sea otters, and the octopuses. There was "Leisure Suit Larry", named for a video game character who would be cited daily for sexual harassment on the job for excessive touching. There was "Emily Dickinson", who hid behind the tank's backdrop and could barely be coaxed out. And there was "Lucretia McEvil", whose destructive acts are featured at the beginning of this article. Volunteers shied away from feeding her because she would try to pull them down into her tank.

We decided to take this impression of differences between individuals and systematize it: what would it mean to say that octopuses had personalities, and into what categories might we fit them? So we started an octopus vs octopus study of the small Pacific red octopus Octopus rubescens. Instead of testing in a novel situation and calculating average responses, we tested three everyday situations to find variation. The situations were alerting, threat and feeding, and over three years 44 octopuses were tallied for nineteen responses. To find variation rather than averages, we did some difficult and "advanced" statistics: a Factor Analysis and then a Principal Components Analysis. What the first does is to group behaviors into clusters of occurrence amongst individuals, called Factors, and our analysis told us there were three Factors, described below. The Principal Components Analysis changed these factors slightly so they were not correlated with each other and could then be called Dimensions of Personality. Each octopus (and any future one) could then be placed somewhere on each of these dimensions, and could be given an Octopus Personality Profile (Mather and Anderson, 1993).

Once the researcher has these dimensions, they can be assigned names. In the octopuses' case we chose three: Activity, Reactivity and Avoidance. So an Active octopus reacted to the threatening probe by grabbing it, a Reactive one performed a set of behaviors that put distance between itself and the threat and an Avoidant one tried to stay away from the situation in the first place. This catalog of variation is interesting by itself, but the dimensions occur in other animals as well. Fish, monkeys and people differ on some variable often called Shyness, on another called Emotionality and a third defined as Exploration or Activity. While the dimensions were of course extracted from the responses by a human brain, they are similar in phylogenetically (ie, gentically) distant animals (see Gosling and John, 1999).

Why does this matter to the demonstration of intelligence? For one thing, personality overlays intelligence. Autistic children's intelligence is often hard to measure because they don't like people well enough to cooperate with the testers. Patterson and Linden (1981) found the gorilla Koko showed the same withdrawal in the middle of an intelligence test; he got bored and started pressing the same button over and over. One octopus in a group being tested for spatial memory "freaked out" at being put in an open tank and circled the tank for ten minutes at a time (personal observation). She never had a chance to learn the task. Was she stupid? Povinelli, et al., (1993) tested chimpanzees for self recognition and made sure to test many individuals to cover this variation. They concluded that the differences were so high that individuals' intellectual level would have been assessed as typical of quite different species, and not just the one!

In addition, "personality" allows individuals to show intelligence. If the sensory input is to be "transformed, reduced, elaborated, stored recovered and used" (Neisser, 1976), it has to be on the basis of individual variation. The intelligent animal can master variable environments by using all these processes, and that leads us back to the topic: what is intelligence like? Indeed, it may be the variable environment that selects for intelligence, in a Darwinian "survival of the fittest" sense: since many octopus species spend their early months in as plankton, drifting to all sorts of different habitat-types: the octopus that settles out of the plankton onto a rocky shoreline has to learn to find different prey and avoid different predators than the one that finds its home under the only rock on a sandy bottom. Without this ability to become different, they won't survive. Coping with a variable environment is what will demonstrate the asocial octopus's particular "take" on intelligence. Thus, the studies of Fiorito et al. (1999) on the octopus's ability to open a glass jar and Hanlon et al.ís (1999) assessment of the avoidance strategies of O. cyanea to a threatening human also open a window on the octopuses use of intelligence.

Perhaps it is this individual sensitivity to change, honed by intelligence and variability, that has been the key to the success of both the cephalopods and the higher vertebrates. Similarities that could lead us to understand the evolution of intelligence in octopuses and humans are few, but thought-provoking: 1) neither group has the protection of exoskeleton, scales or armor, 2) both have evolved in complex environments, the octopod in the tropical coral reef and the hominid in the savanna edge, and 3) both have considerable variability among individuals and the ability of being able to change their behaviour to help them survive. So, perhaps looking at the octopuses through their intelligence, feeding flexibility, predator avoidance, play, and personality helps us also look at aspects of ourselves, from another angle!

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Stormbringer

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2003, 10:06:38 pm »
Hmmmm. I'm curious as to why they did not mention the well documented jar opening ability [Ooops. Missed it the first time. It does mention it.] or the nightly escapes and strolls these creatures sometimes do. Those are far more spectacular though the water jet stuff is interesting. Some of the related species actually communicate with light patterns and use light patterns to Hypnotize thier prey or create illusions of receding. They have been proven to be able to control thier pigmentation down to the individual melanin cells. They can control all of them (millions or billions) individually showing startling parallel processing capabilities. They have incredible built in intelligence perhaps moreso than any other animal. I think they do not have enough time to develop additional learned intelligence and that is the only reason the things are not the "people" of the sea.
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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2003, 08:00:08 am »
Any species who can't master fire isn't going far up the evolutionary ladder..  Fire is a prerequisite for civilization, which pretty much ensure dolphins, whales, and arthropods aren't going anywhere fast, unless they come back onto land.  

Stormbringer

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« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2003, 08:20:58 am »
Only a technological species. The critters in the sea have no need for it. Thier environment is rich enough in stimuli and challenges to develop their intelligence. Plus, they do have access to fire in a limited fashion, The volcanic rifts, smokers and so forth.  

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The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2003, 07:03:53 am »
Ladies and gentlmen your nominees, please... State the animal ( other than primates ) you think most closely approaches  human intelligence and on what evidence you base that choice. I nominate Octopi and thier relations, dolphins, and for third place Crows. I'll explain my choices later. This is a fun post but be serious in your choices and explanations. later. I'm going shopping.

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2003, 08:55:59 am »
White lab mice, dolphins, then us humans.  We really screwed up the computer...  

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2003, 09:35:24 am »
Elves, Dwarves, Balrogs.

TheBigCheese

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2003, 09:58:10 am »
My ex  

Corbomite

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2003, 10:01:21 am »
Humans are intelligent? Wow! You learn something new every day!

JMM

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« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2003, 11:02:35 am »
LMAO @ big cheese's post...  

JMM

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2003, 11:09:21 am »
I'll also vote for my soon to be ex, only a naca drives a car into high water thus sucking up water into the intake and trashing the engine... Silly rabbit, water does NOT compress... Let the wench try that with the 03 Camry instead of the 92, bet she'll learn one day...  

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2003, 12:11:20 pm »
 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    

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« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2003, 12:32:47 pm »
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 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    




Ah, I see you've been driving in Austin lately.    

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« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2003, 02:09:49 pm »
I would agree on the crows,  they are able to remember who drops stuff and who doesn't. they never end up as roadkill like seagulls, Then again they dont seem to be not able to remember who is not a threat, and more than once, when approaching one on a bike, it would fly away in the direction I'm going, land, see me still coming and then take off again, this happened for almost two blocks.

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2003, 02:26:32 pm »
My nominations:

Most intelligent non-humans:
Chimpanzees

Most intelligent non-primate mamals:
Elephants

Most intelligent non-mammalian vertebrates:
Parrots, Crows

Most intelligent invertebrates:
Octopus

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« Reply #79 on: December 13, 2003, 06:35:30 pm »
As promised; Crows because they can be taught to speak (or at least members of thier family can, and they can use tools as recently proven. Dolphins due to thier complex language, behaviors and large brain size and complex brain structure. It remains to be seen if they can be considered truly intelligent in a sentient sort of way because their environment is so alien that we might not be able to recognize thier actual level. they have no hands or need for tools or technology. Now the octopi; they can control the "color of individual irridiphores and pigment cells by the millions or billions. They communicate with complex light pattern languages. They can recognize different animals and know those animals enemies and some can mimick those enemies in an uncanny way. They can open jars to get at food inside. They can escape from the tightest secured tanks, travel to another tank across the room, have a snack and sneak back into thier old tank to appear innocent of mischief. They are very clever creatures. Especially since they are so short lived. If they lived much longer I'd be really frightened of how smart they could become. Octopi are awesome.
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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #80 on: December 13, 2003, 08:45:44 pm »
My birds use language in ways that occaisionally surprise me.  They are normally able to respond to certain situations in appropriate ways....saying "Goodnight" when I turn out the lights or yelling at the kids when they're too noisy.  Back in the day when we just had one pet she seemed able to apply language to novel situations in appropriate ways...though I can't remember a specific example.  It always happened at times and in ways that left me wondering if I had heard what I thought I had.  Our oldest used to get put in "timeout" by the bird.  She would hear her name and "timeout" and did what she was told.  She was very young.


I've always wanted to keep a crow or an octopus.



For my vote I'm inclined to nominate my goats.  They're not very bright but have an uncanny ability to be where I don't want them to be.  They are virtually imposible to work around and if you're not very careful they'll figure out what is most vulnerable and destroy... destroy .....DESTROY.  





 

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« Reply #81 on: December 13, 2003, 09:58:25 pm »
My family had a goat when I was still in school. We thought it was neat when she would jump into our laps when she was a kid.  But they grow up and she would still jump up into your lap when she wieghed in as a fully grown goat. Hooves hurt. A lot. Couldn't sit down outside for fear of getting racked by a goat. And they'll eat any plant in range as long is it is not an unwanted weed.  

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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2003, 12:31:24 am »
Interesting conversation, I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through _The Alex Studies_ by Irene Pepperberg. Much information and research she did points toward Grey intelligence rivaling, if not exceeding, that of chimpanzees and dolphins, though a lot of it has to do with ease of communication. Very fascinating reading. I'm hoping to get a Grey next Spring. Corvids come close but don't measure up in the research... not to say they're less intelligent, just that parrots are more amicable, it seems, to testing. No question that crows and ravens are strikingly intelligent.

Puddle, what kind of birds do you have?  

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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2003, 12:41:03 am »
I'll admit parrots appear more intelligent due to communication ease but crows make and use tools.

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« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2003, 12:52:42 am »
They do, and as I said, I wasn't discounting their intelligence -- but parrots (not just Greys, but especially them) also make and use tools extensively. The one thing that would lead me to believe that Greys are more intelligent than crows has to do with their society -- it's quite intricate and involved. It could be that I'm confusing lack of knowledge for lack of complexity with regard to crow society, but from what I know of them they're more ordinary with regard to flock behavior. Parrot communication is not just easier for humans to access, it's also much more elaborate than crow vocal communication. There are studies about crows and ample evidence that they can count (they use the number of caws in a sequence to identify each other in a large group), which is a higher level cognitive function, but just as a personal guess I would say that between a crow and a grey parrot, the parrot would have a higher IQ.  

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« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2003, 01:01:47 am »
I have not studied them extensively just seen a documentary. I have seen similar documentaries that claimed that parrot lanuage is more than mere mimickry which agrees with what puddle said. as to tool use I was unaware parrots used tools other thamn perhaps rock hammers. crows select and modify twigs to fit tasks. They also use the common rock hammer tool. They probably use the drop/plummet tool as well but I cannot recall seeing this documented. Thanks for adding on topic material to this thread. That makes three out of about ten.  

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« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2003, 01:15:52 am »
I take it by the term Grey we are talking about African Grey parrots? My grandparents had one, and even though that S.O.B. always tried to bite me, he could really talk, a highly intelligent bird. I wish he was alive along with my grandfather, I would go tell that bird a thing or two nowadays...  

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« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2003, 01:54:20 am »
Just cruising around looking for links here... this is a pretty cool story about crows. I did know about the twig stuff, but this was in a study, where a crow unexpectedly grabbed a wire, flew off with it, and used it to make a hook and get the food they had put in a bottle:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2178920.stm

The tool story I remember most was of a crow using passing cars as a tool to open nuts. It would sit on the side of a highway, watch the cars go by, then get a nut, put it in the path of the tire tracks, and wait. A few cars would come by, eventually crushing the nut. Crow hops down and eats it, then goes to find another nut and repeats the process. They're definitely very, very smart.

Right at the moment I can't find any online resources for parrot tool use, but more than other birds, even, parrots are very tactile with their feet and use them almost like hands. Alex, the famous CAG (Congo African Grey), learned to request objects, and one of the objects he requested frequently, rather than being food, was a metal key, so that he could use it to scratch under his beak. Their tool use is broad, and I'll have to look further to find more instances of it... at the moment I'm about to go to bed. =)

One anecdote from Bird Talk that I remember, though, shows contextual intelligence and problem solving (and is just really funny). The Grey in question had been told many times when being offered an object "Use your claw" -- assumedly the bird would grab first with its beak, and the owners wanted to teach it to accept things with its claw instead. The family had a football party and were watching the game on the big screen -- eating, talking, not paying attention to the bird. The guy on the screen fumbles the ball, and the bird pipes up: "Use your claw!"

In another instance, a family was selling their couch, and the buyers came over to pick it up. Their Grey flew over, landed on the couch, and announced "I pooped here!" Sure enough, he had, and the sellers hadn't noticed. Oops. The bird had not been known to do that kind of thing on other occasions. The somewhat scary thing about these birds is that they can hear something once in context and apply it months or even years later, unexpectedly.

Their behavior is incredibly fascinating. In some ways it's very intimidating to be pursuing the prospect of owning one. (And a bird like that more owns you than you it...) But I would very highly recommend Irene Pepperberg's book. Very little of it is the clever anecdotes, but there's an extremely thorough documentation of her research process, and of Alex's behavior throughout. He surprised them a number of times, and it's nothing short of staggering what they're teaching him to do. They're hoping that eventually they will teach him to read. Pepperberg's work has been used, in addition to the animal behavior field and the whole of our perception of animal cognition, to help children with communication disabilities, since she's tracked down much of the way that Alex learns and some of it has a direct analog to developmental speech in humans.

The next book I'm going to track down in the animal behavior category is, I think, _Next of Kin_, by Roger Fouts. It might be another one, I have the exact book info written down on my laptop... in any case one of the more highly praised books about chimpanzee intelligence.  

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« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2003, 07:27:44 am »
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Interesting conversation, I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through _The Alex Studies_ by Irene Pepperberg. Much information and research she did points toward Grey intelligence rivaling, if not exceeding, that of chimpanzees and dolphins, though a lot of it has to do with ease of communication. Very fascinating reading. I'm hoping to get a Grey next Spring. Corvids come close but don't measure up in the research... not to say they're less intelligent, just that parrots are more amicable, it seems, to testing. No question that crows and ravens are strikingly intelligent.

Puddle, what kind of birds do you have?  




White bellied caiques, pacific parrotlets, and three greys.

We hand raised our first grey.  She eventually hit sexual maturity and became unpleasant.  A friend of ours gave us a wild caught male(still very wild) and they hit it off.  The third bird is the offspring of the first two and a great bird....far nicer than her mother ever was.



 

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« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2003, 12:56:42 pm »
The white mice have dissappeared. So have the Dolphins. The computer has been upgraded and reset.

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« Reply #90 on: December 14, 2003, 12:58:31 pm »
Elephants are indeed intelligent, good memories and communicate with infrasound for perhaps 50 miles or more in range.

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« Reply #91 on: December 15, 2003, 12:25:18 am »
Dogs.. they trained a species to bring them food, chauffer them around,  and make little sweaters for them to keep them from being cold.

Seriously, raw intelligence, probably not, but some research seems to indicate dogs experience emotions closer to humans than any other animal, and they are better at picking up on our emotions than any other species.  A recent research project tested this theory with wolves and coyotes, and other species, against dogs (determining what a human wanted with minimal input).  Dogs won it paws down..

Animal Emotions


Pet owners have long believed their companions loved them back. Scientists once scoffed, but now they're coming around

© 2003 Newsweek, Inc. By Mary Carmichael with Jamie Reno and Hilary Shenfeld (July 21)

Everyone who's ever owned a pet has at least one story (usually many, actually) of an animal that seems just as emotional as any human.

TAKE RUTH OSMENT, who says her two cats, Penny and Jo, feel sorry for her when she cries-running to her and drying her tears with their fur. Or Donna Westlund, whose roommate's parrot Koko shows all the classic signs of a teenage crush, calling out "Hey, come here," whenever she tries to leave the room.

Then there's John Van Zante. Recently, he watched Max, a Labrador retriever mix, sit lovingly by a woman in a wheelchair in a convalescent home while she patted his head for several minutes. It wasn't until the elderly woman wheeled off down the hall that Van Zante realized she had been parked on Max's tail the entire time. Max hadn't complained at all. "He was in pain, clearly, but he seemed to know that she had special needs, so he just sat through it," says Van Zante, communications director for the Helen Woodward Animal Center in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif.


NO EMOTIONS?
Van Zante doesn't understand why some scientists argue that animals have no emotions, that they merely respond to incentives like so many automatons. "If we were purely a source for food, I'm certain that Max's reaction would have been different," he says. "Haven't these scientists noticed that their cats can't wait to rub up against their legs and reclaim ownership of their people after a day at work? Don't they take the time to greet their tail-wagging dogs when they get home?"

Well, yes. But they're not as starry-eyed about what they see. For decades, psychologists have discounted the idea that pets can love their humans back. They have argued that animals that appear to express emotions are merely reacting to hormonal rushes triggered-in cold, but typical, technical language-by "outside stimuli." But that view is changing, thanks to a loosely knit band of researchers working in fields as far-flung as neurobiology and behavioral observation. With new evidence gleaned from studies of dogs, chimps and sundry other creatures, science is starting to catch up to what pet owners have always suspected: animals experience surges of deep-seated fear, jealousy and grief-and, most important, love. Unlike the few researchers who came before them, the scientists leading the new movement actually have solid evidence. "Five years ago my colleagues would have thought I was off my rocker," says biologist Marc Bekoff. "But now scientists are finally starting to talk about animal emotions in public. It's like they're coming out of the closet."

And at an apt time, too-more and more pet owners now depend on their furry and feathered friends for emotional support. "People are delaying having children, but they still need that connection, that love," says Tamar Geller, owner of The Loved Dog Co. in Los Angeles. For many in that crowd, she says, pets are serving as surrogate kids. That may explain the sudden surge in interest; the push to find out what pets and other animals are thinking is being driven largely by those who love them. After all, if you're going to devote years of affection to an animal, isn't it nice to think it's not unrequited?


LEARNING FROM RUSTY
Aside from Charles Darwin, most students of animal behavior in the past believed that animals didn't have emotions-or that if they did, we'd never know. Over the years, the belief hardened into dogma. Then, in the mid-'60s, came Jane Goodall. Since she had little scientific training, she had never been indoctrinated with behaviorist theory. "But I'd had this amazing teacher my whole life," she says. That would be Rusty, a little black mongrel who lived at a hotel in her childhood neighborhood. "He went everywhere with me, and he didn't even belong to me," she says. "At the hotel he was disobedient, but he was beautifully behaved and sensitive with me. Of course, I thought animals had emotions, personalities, minds. How could I not?" Goodall unknowingly rebelled against standard scientific practices in the wilds of Africa, giving her chimps names instead of impersonal numbers and describing their behavior with words like "joy," "depression" and "grief." The dons at Cambridge University rolled their eyes, but her studies were ultimately irrefutable. They might never have happened, Goodall notes, if she hadn't preferred Rusty to "the scientific treadmill."

Today, thanks to those studies, the treadmill is a rather different exercise. Researchers carrying on Goodall's legacy are finding that it extends far beyond chimps, to dogs, cats, birds, rats and even animals as "simple" as the lowly octopus. All of them experience fear-the most ancient of the emotions, mediated by the amygdala, an almond-shaped organ in the brain. Many animals may feel something akin to love as well. Chimpanzees sometimes adopt baby chimps unrelated to them; horses have been known to form bonds so intense they refuse to spend the night in different stalls; whales have been spotted (albeit rarely) performing a peculiar dance that may be the equivalent of a human's postcoital cuddling.

 Not surprisingly, the animal that has shown researchers the most emotional complexity thus far is the dog. Bred as human companions for thousands of years, dogs have evolved into master communicators. Recent studies show they are even better than chimpanzees at reading human emotional cues, a trait that undoubtedly helped them in the quest for food and shelter in the caves of early man. They may be equally adept at expressing their own feelings and personalities. Samuel Gosling, a biologist at the University of Texas at Austin, says people can reliably "type" four dimensions of canine personality: sociability, affection, emotional stability and "competence," which combines obedience and intelligence. They're remarkably similar to the four basic categories of human personality found in standard psychological tests.
   

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #92 on: December 15, 2003, 01:38:46 am »
i'm going with the octopus and squid:)

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« Reply #93 on: December 15, 2003, 02:02:57 am »
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 I've seen some dogs that are smarter than some humans.    




  I've seen ameba smarter than sub-human crackheads and Turban Menaces.

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« Reply #94 on: December 15, 2003, 02:50:40 am »
Well dab leader has done a good job listing the big brains.

But for me this argument needs to be taken up another notch.  I have an intense interest in evolution.  So I have often thought about which species and which animal would be the next dominant species if we human primates were to fall.

I nominate the rodent;  specifically,. the Raccoon.  They are highly intelligent and carry in their genes all the equipment, ready-made, to replace us.  Plus they are about the most intensely adaptable mammals on the planet....

"They are primarily nocturnal and thrive in many cities as well as wilderness areas. In fact, the densest population of raccoons in New York is in New York City. "

http://www.pestquest.info/expertise/

....any animal that can make it in the Big Apple must have something special.  They have opposable thumbs, five "fingers", can untie knots and open almost anything that isn't locked.   I got up close personal with one (a pet of a friend).  She came ambling over to me then climbed up my leg and picked all my pockets... damned New Yorkers!   Also for some strange reason they have two kinds of senses in their fingers...touch and taste.  That's fairly original really.  

We've out competed or killed off almost all other super adaptable primates except ourselves so I am pretty positive at this point that the next dominant species would not be a primate.

Rodents and Primates have been in an evolutionary rivalry since the Permian when mammals gave way to the Dinosaur.  I doubt that nature will make a comeback with the Dinosaur despite the obvious cleverness of the Crow.   Birds don't have the equipment to   make  things...raccoons do.    If we were to disappear I'm almost positive their brains, no longer constrained to just surviving, would start to grow exponentially.  

So for me the question is not which animal is the most intelligent, but which one is the most potentially intelligent and dominant if we ourselves were to get...well...bleeped out.  
   

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« Reply #95 on: December 15, 2003, 04:49:22 am »
Racoons are very clever. They routinely outsmarted us on bivouac at Ft hood  . We had coolers of junk food and soda with good latches. They opened them anyway. We put them in the cabs of military trucks. They went in the windows. We rolled the windows up. They managed to open the stiff latching handles, opened the doors, then they opened the cooler latches and had a picnic.   But they also have limitations. For example the food washing thing is a myth. They actually do it because the catch most of thier food that way and it is an instinct so strong that they take food to the edge of water and reenact catching it. They do not have to do this but they often are overpowered by programmed behavior. Not always but often.

Octopi would also be one of your evolver species.
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« Reply #96 on: December 15, 2003, 06:40:18 pm »
I would think so too about the Octopi but for some reason not entirely clear to me they havn't taken off.    Of course that might just be a matter of perception...or misperception on my part.  Their minds must be completely alien to anything we deal with above water.  There arn't that many large invertebrates at ground level and certainly nothing with he kind of brain size to body mass ratio like we see with these critters.

Problem is that there is a lot of mystery that surrounds this animal.  Having no hard parts the fossil record is scanty and nonexistent (except ofor the shelled types ammonites that went extinct ages ago).  Could it be that these creatures have already had their day and what we see now is a devolved form?  spooky.  

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« Reply #97 on: December 15, 2003, 07:37:07 pm »
I think their problem is thier short life spans the most intelligent and clever of them live the shortest lives. They have no time for anything but survival. But they grew that inate intelligence hard wired to optimize thier survival time. They are like the little rodents that were the first mammals. Outsmart the enemy.

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« Reply #98 on: December 15, 2003, 09:30:50 pm »
A good read on this.
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Octopuses are Smart Suckers!
By

Jennifer A. Mather
Department of Psychology & Neuroscience
The University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge, Alberta T1K 3M4, Canada
mather@uleth.ca


and

Roland C. Anderson
The Seattle Aquarium
1483 Alaskan Way
Seattle, WA 98101 USA
roland.anderson@ci.seattle.wa.us

The same question about octopus behavior intrigued both authors, though at different places and from different backgrounds. While watching an Octopus vulgaris in Bermuda, the first author observed it sitting in its sheltering den after a foraging expedition, where it caught several crabs, took them home and ate them. Suddenly it jetted out directly to a small rock about two meters away, tucked it under its spread arms and jetted back. Going out three times more in different directions, it took up three more rocks and piled the resulting barrier in front of the entrance to its den. It held them in front with several arms and went to sleep. This didn't look like random action, but planning. The second author came in one morning to the Aquarium to find one of the giant Pacific octopuses had been busy overnight. The gravel on the tank bottom was dug up, the nylon cable ties that attached the undergravel filter to the tank had been bitten through and the detached filter had been bitten or torn into small pieces, which now floated on the water surface (experienced octopus keepers know that Murphy's Laws seem to apply especially to octopuses!). Again, this looked like a careful sequencing/planning of actions and learning put to use, though the reasons weren't at all obvious. These observations made both of us believe that octopuses could possibly be intelligent and use their intelligence for unexpected purposes.


When humans think of intelligence, we think of ourselves. This anthropocentric viewpoint is partly because intelligence has only really been studied in vertebrates and partly because we see its evolution as leading to the pinnacle called Homo sapiens. Until recently, there hasn't been any model of how another completely separate group could show us how intelligence might evolve differently than ours. Research on the octopuses is beginning to provide that alternate model.


An octopus is very different from a mammal. It only lives about two years. It has much less opportunity to gain and use intelligence than an elephant, which has a 50 year lifespan and three generations of a family to lead and learn from. Still, bees learn about flower locations from other bees, and they live only a few weeks as adults. However, an octopus is also not social; Humphrey (1976) suggested that intelligence has evolved to solve social dilemmas. The young octopus learns on its own with minimal contact with conspecifics and no influences of parental care or sibling rivalry. However, the octopus has a large brain with vertical and sub-frontal lobes dedicated just to storing learned information (Wells, 1978): it has the anatomy for a robust, built-in intelligence.

But, it is not enough to know that the anatomy predicts an animal to be intelligent without some idea of how it uses this ability. Investigations at Naples in the 1950s and 1960s found that octopuses (or "octopi", if you want to Get Latin!!) can learn a wide array of visual patterns, encoding information mostly by comparing edges, orientations and shapes. They also learned by touch, and tactile information seemed to be stored in a different brain area than visual. Intent on just demonstrating learning abilities at first, researchers did not follow up to find what octopuses were doing with this learning in their ocean home. As ethology's (ie, the ethical or "moral" side of science, which discourages direct experimentation on intelligent animals) emphasis on observation of natural behavior in the field began to fill the gap (see Lehner, 1998), the Naples studies ended, and no linkage was made between abstract information storage and the use of learning in daily life. Finally, this gap is being bridged by such works as Hanlon and Messenger (1996), who provide an overview of cephalopod behavior. But, even asking the right questions about octopus intelligence is difficult, since we understand so little of their minds. Watching an animal and wondering how it is organizing its world, then testing it to see if your guesses have some foundation - that is very difficult indeed! Still, we are starting to get some answers both by observing in the field and by studying areas such as prey manipulation, personality and play (yes, play!) in the octopus.

One of the insights into how we might view octopus intelligence came for the first author when reading Neisser's (1976) definition of cognition (ie, thinking) as "all the processes by which sensory input is transformed, reduced, elaborated, stored, recovered and used." It seemed a focal issue: what were octopuses in the ocean doing with the information that learning studies said they could acquire? One study we undertook centered on what we came to call the "Packaging Problem". The problem posed was how an octopus could utilize a delectable clam enclosed in its hard shell, - to get at the soft, delectable clam body. This is the end result of what Vermeij (1993) called an "evolutionary arms race": many predators evolved means of penetrating the hard shell the clam uses to protect itself, which is held together by powerful muscles - sea stars pull the valves apart, oyster-catcher birds pry them apart, moon snails (Naticidae) drill a hole into the shell, and gulls drop the clam from a carefully calculated height onto rocks or road pavement. But the octopus goes these predators one better: it can use several different strategies to solve this Packaging Problem, instead of just one or two!

Octopuses come well-equipped with an arsenal of different solutions for use in feeding. They have the holding ability of hundreds of suckers and the pulling power of the eight muscular arms, flexible because they are boneless (see Mather, 1998 for arm movement capacity). Underneath, inside the mouth at the junction of the arms, they have a parrot like twin beak for biting. Also inside the mouth are two more useful structures, the radula with teeth for rasping and the extendible salivary papilla. It delivers cephalotoxin, a neuromuscular function blocker that can kill a crab in several minutes (Boyle, 1990). Fortunately for us, only the venom of Haplochlaena spp. octopuses (the famous "blue" octoupuses!) has proven fatal to humans.

Since octopuses are well set up to "recover and use" information for solving the problem of the clam's protection, we set out to determine what the giant (up to 50 kg) Pacific octopus, Enteroctopus dofleini, would do to get at three types of bivalves. When we offered them separately or together at the Seattle Aquarium, octopuses ate many Venerupis (a Venus Clam) clams, some Mytilus (mussels) and few Protothaca clams. The prey species were each opened differently, however. The fragile mussel shells were simply broken and the stronger Venerupis were pulled apart. The thick shelled Protothaca were drilled with the octopuses' radula and salivary papilla, or chipped with the beak, then injected with poison which weakened the adductor muscle holding the valves together. The octopuses' strategy to penetrate into the different clams varied. When offered the clams opened ìon the half shell, the octopuses changed preference and consumed both clam species, but hardly any mussels. When they didn't have to work hard for the clam meat, they liked Protothaca. Some clue that effort might be the reason for this shift came when we measured the resistance to opening force of the adductor muscles of the bivalves: Mytilus resisted until an average of 2.2 kg, Venerupis, 3.6 kg, and Protothaca to 4.6 kg. Octopuses could also shift their penetration strategies. When live Venerupis clams were wired shut with stainless steel wire, the octopuses couldn't pull the valves apart, so they then tried drilling and chipping as penetration techniques (given empty weighted shells glued shut, the octopuses ignored them; they were on to that trick right away!). This flexibility of strategies echoes what Wodinsky (1969) found with Octopus vulgaris drilling Strombus gastropods. These octopuses drilled through the shell apex to poison and weaken the snails' adductor muscles. When he coated this part of the shell with latex, they just pulled it off, then drilled as before. When he then put on aluminum, they simply drilled through the metal and shell, but when he coated it with impenetrable dental plastic they drilled elsewhere on the shell, or pulled the snail out by sheer force. For both species of octopus, the motto might be "do whatever works to get your meal!" They were intelligently adapting the penetration technique to the clam species presented and the situation in which they were placed.

The first author (Jennifer Mather) also noticed this pragmatism (ie, a "whatever it takes to get the job done" attitude!) and identified tool use by octopuses during field studies in Bermuda (Mather, 1994). Tool use does not automatically denote learning but the range of uses of one tool, water, also suggests the octopus is intelligent: circulation of water in molluscan mantle cavities is primarily used for respiration and removal of wastes, and secondarily for locomotion in scallops and squid (Morton, 1967). Octopuses also use water jets through their flexible funnel for tertiary (ie, additional) functions such as cleaning out their dens. They gather an armful of rocks and sand under their web, go to the den entrance and tilt the web upward, then blow the whole lot out and away with a water blast from their funnel! Similarly, an octopus holds a crab under the web, dismembers it, eats the flesh and holds the cleaned out exoskeletal pieces. At meal's end, it tilts up the web and blows the pieces outside, adding to a midden outside the den. Scavenging fish attend octopuses when they go hunting, and when they discard remains onto this midden. One of the techniques octopuses use to repel these "pests" is to direct strong blasts of water jet at them - like a water gun!! (Mather, 1992). On occasion, an octopus jets water to repel human observers, and octopuses in the lab have jetted into the faces of researchers or onto their delicate electrical equipment.

In the laboratory, octopuses adapt and use this water jet in a behavior that has generally been considered exclusively of vertebrates: they play (Mather and Anderson, 1999). We set out to prove that octopuses (Enteroctopus dofleini in particular) play, deciding that being in a non-stimulating situation except for having an item that they could manipulate, might cause such activity. A floating pill bottle, which sometimes drifted in the current from the water intake, was the item. We didn't expect social play from a solitary animal, rather that the exploration that the octopus mentioned at the start of this paper demonstrated so well by tearing apart its tank would turn the focus of its behavior, as Hutt (1966) suggested, from "what does this object do?" to "what can I do with the object? Every octopus jetted at the floating toy at least once in the ten trials, but only two of them reached the criteria for play. These were 1) regular repetitions of 2) simple acts for 3) over 5 minutes, of pill bottle repulsion toward the water inlet jet and return by it. One octopus set up a 2 minute circuit of the bottle around the tank and a second jetted the toy straight towards the water intake, getting a return in 30 seconds. This prompted a long distance call from the more skeptical second author to the first, in the middle of one of those busy academic days, with the simple message "She's bouncing the ball!"

Play is a difficult and sometimes controversial area, as it does not delineate a separate category of behaviors. Forms that are seen as play merge into other categories of "useful" actions (Fagen, 1981). This example appears to be a small glimpse of that continuum, change in the use of mantle water circulation from its basic molluscan function to newer situations. Play involves the detachment of actions from their primary context, and such flexibility is both a basis and a sign of intelligence, whether it be shown in a person or a fish or an octopus. It is the formation of a new combination of information input and actions.

A third aspect of the lives of the octopuses which shows their capacity for acquiring different responses is their possession of "personalities". The impetus for this study came from the second author's work at the Seattle Aquarium (Anderson, 1987). Volunteers are the backbone of public institutions such as the Aquarium, and volunteers see animals a little differently than scientists. They give individual names to three species of animals in the Aquarium - the seals, the sea otters, and the octopuses. There was "Leisure Suit Larry", named for a video game character who would be cited daily for sexual harassment on the job for excessive touching. There was "Emily Dickinson", who hid behind the tank's backdrop and could barely be coaxed out. And there was "Lucretia McEvil", whose destructive acts are featured at the beginning of this article. Volunteers shied away from feeding her because she would try to pull them down into her tank.

We decided to take this impression of differences between individuals and systematize it: what would it mean to say that octopuses had personalities, and into what categories might we fit them? So we started an octopus vs octopus study of the small Pacific red octopus Octopus rubescens. Instead of testing in a novel situation and calculating average responses, we tested three everyday situations to find variation. The situations were alerting, threat and feeding, and over three years 44 octopuses were tallied for nineteen responses. To find variation rather than averages, we did some difficult and "advanced" statistics: a Factor Analysis and then a Principal Components Analysis. What the first does is to group behaviors into clusters of occurrence amongst individuals, called Factors, and our analysis told us there were three Factors, described below. The Principal Components Analysis changed these factors slightly so they were not correlated with each other and could then be called Dimensions of Personality. Each octopus (and any future one) could then be placed somewhere on each of these dimensions, and could be given an Octopus Personality Profile (Mather and Anderson, 1993).

Once the researcher has these dimensions, they can be assigned names. In the octopuses' case we chose three: Activity, Reactivity and Avoidance. So an Active octopus reacted to the threatening probe by grabbing it, a Reactive one performed a set of behaviors that put distance between itself and the threat and an Avoidant one tried to stay away from the situation in the first place. This catalog of variation is interesting by itself, but the dimensions occur in other animals as well. Fish, monkeys and people differ on some variable often called Shyness, on another called Emotionality and a third defined as Exploration or Activity. While the dimensions were of course extracted from the responses by a human brain, they are similar in phylogenetically (ie, gentically) distant animals (see Gosling and John, 1999).

Why does this matter to the demonstration of intelligence? For one thing, personality overlays intelligence. Autistic children's intelligence is often hard to measure because they don't like people well enough to cooperate with the testers. Patterson and Linden (1981) found the gorilla Koko showed the same withdrawal in the middle of an intelligence test; he got bored and started pressing the same button over and over. One octopus in a group being tested for spatial memory "freaked out" at being put in an open tank and circled the tank for ten minutes at a time (personal observation). She never had a chance to learn the task. Was she stupid? Povinelli, et al., (1993) tested chimpanzees for self recognition and made sure to test many individuals to cover this variation. They concluded that the differences were so high that individuals' intellectual level would have been assessed as typical of quite different species, and not just the one!

In addition, "personality" allows individuals to show intelligence. If the sensory input is to be "transformed, reduced, elaborated, stored recovered and used" (Neisser, 1976), it has to be on the basis of individual variation. The intelligent animal can master variable environments by using all these processes, and that leads us back to the topic: what is intelligence like? Indeed, it may be the variable environment that selects for intelligence, in a Darwinian "survival of the fittest" sense: since many octopus species spend their early months in as plankton, drifting to all sorts of different habitat-types: the octopus that settles out of the plankton onto a rocky shoreline has to learn to find different prey and avoid different predators than the one that finds its home under the only rock on a sandy bottom. Without this ability to become different, they won't survive. Coping with a variable environment is what will demonstrate the asocial octopus's particular "take" on intelligence. Thus, the studies of Fiorito et al. (1999) on the octopus's ability to open a glass jar and Hanlon et al.ís (1999) assessment of the avoidance strategies of O. cyanea to a threatening human also open a window on the octopuses use of intelligence.

Perhaps it is this individual sensitivity to change, honed by intelligence and variability, that has been the key to the success of both the cephalopods and the higher vertebrates. Similarities that could lead us to understand the evolution of intelligence in octopuses and humans are few, but thought-provoking: 1) neither group has the protection of exoskeleton, scales or armor, 2) both have evolved in complex environments, the octopod in the tropical coral reef and the hominid in the savanna edge, and 3) both have considerable variability among individuals and the ability of being able to change their behaviour to help them survive. So, perhaps looking at the octopuses through their intelligence, feeding flexibility, predator avoidance, play, and personality helps us also look at aspects of ourselves, from another angle!

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Stormbringer

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #99 on: December 15, 2003, 10:06:38 pm »
Hmmmm. I'm curious as to why they did not mention the well documented jar opening ability [Ooops. Missed it the first time. It does mention it.] or the nightly escapes and strolls these creatures sometimes do. Those are far more spectacular though the water jet stuff is interesting. Some of the related species actually communicate with light patterns and use light patterns to Hypnotize thier prey or create illusions of receding. They have been proven to be able to control thier pigmentation down to the individual melanin cells. They can control all of them (millions or billions) individually showing startling parallel processing capabilities. They have incredible built in intelligence perhaps moreso than any other animal. I think they do not have enough time to develop additional learned intelligence and that is the only reason the things are not the "people" of the sea.
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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #100 on: December 16, 2003, 08:00:08 am »
Any species who can't master fire isn't going far up the evolutionary ladder..  Fire is a prerequisite for civilization, which pretty much ensure dolphins, whales, and arthropods aren't going anywhere fast, unless they come back onto land.  

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Re: The most intelligent nonhuman species...
« Reply #101 on: December 16, 2003, 08:20:58 am »
Only a technological species. The critters in the sea have no need for it. Thier environment is rich enough in stimuli and challenges to develop their intelligence. Plus, they do have access to fire in a limited fashion, The volcanic rifts, smokers and so forth.