Topic: BSG (Read 30578 times)

NJAntman · « **on:** December 09, 2003, 06:06:17 am »

Hopefully without kicking over an anthill, your thoughts on BSG?

I liked it. Has a nice feel; other than "spin up the FTL drives" it seems believable. Like the live action view-point and quietness of space shots ala B5.

Just wish I'd remembered to set the capture card to get the whole eposide.

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 09, 2003, 06:42:06 am »

Your kidding, right? I tried to watch last night without letting any critics cloud my judgement (critics and myself don't hardly ever agree) but what was on last night was pure drivel. Looked to me like every human on the show was on a steady diet of viagra and thorizine. Heck, the first 30 min was devoted to "who's banging who" and to "how strange we are". I could go on but this isn't the Hot and Spicy forum and I don't want to get into trouble.

Blyre · « **Reply #2 on:** December 09, 2003, 07:27:39 am »

I watched the first episode last night and overall I like it, but a few things stuck out in my mind:

1) The ton and a half of references to the original series bothered me because if this was supposed to be a "reimagining" why bother referencing the original at all? In my opinion, it cluttered things up with irrelevent information.

2) There were too many of those far and away moving shots of the fighters. To me, it did more to overemphasize that these were simply models than "actual" fighters moving through Space. I think they could have been selective with their use.

3) The Baby Scene. That did nothing to advance the plot or advance the idea that Number 6 was evil. I had to turn away from the screen for a few seconds.

4) The Uniforms. The uniforms, while very stylish, kept reminding me a little too much of Babylon 5.

5) The premise of being Low-Tech. The Cylons of this fictional universe were well known to be capable of infiltrating advanced electronic systems. Why didn't the lessons of their Cylon War carry over into the post war world?

Like I said above, I did like the new BSG, but I think they were trying to have it both ways. They wanted to be "original" yet wanted to rope in the fans of the original series but in the process came up quite a bit short.

So far, I give the new BSG a C+, which is subject to change.

Wallace

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #3 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:10:52 am »

I caught it, thanks to Dave Ferrel and others bringing it to my attention with the boycott attempt (ditto the Reagan movie)

It was entertaining, I guess. The whole "who's banging whom" thing was kinda dopey, but the spaceships were cool and the cylon chick was hot. I'll probably pass on the rest of the series.

Scott Allen Abfalter · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:11:45 am »

I thought it was a fantastic show. I enjoyed it completely.

I understand that there are purists, waxing poetic about the old show. I understand they won't like this. But I am not one of them and so --unhindered by bias --I was able to enjoy myself.

I agree with the comments about the "baby scene". There were much easier, and less offensive, ways of showing that #6 was an amoral entity. That was a bad scene in an otherwise wonderful show and one that I wish would have been left out because it disturbed me both at it's inherant repugnance as well as it's uselessness as an over-the-top plot device.

I didn't mind the references to the old show, in fact, for me it sort of added to it and made me smile when I saw thing like a drawing of the old Cylon Centurion.

I was very skeptical about the "reality show" style in the special effects when I heard about it, but once I saw them I was really impressed. It worked, and although it didn't look as 'real' as the producers were trying to say, nonetheless I still thought it was good. The battle music was very well done.

The acting was pretty good, and in particular that of Adama. I did not care for Apollo, that performance was pretty flat. And the new Starbuck tries too hard. I thought that the new President's performance was superb and utterly believable.

(Side note: I loved when the PR guy gets Apollo up to meet her, hoping he will usurp her authority. Then Apollo watches her barking orders and getting the job done and just tells the guy "Looks like the lady is in charge...")

It was well written, well paced and for the most part well acted.

And now, I must blaspheme: It was a better show than the original, in nearly every way. Period. (Personally, I liked the original Apollo actor better than the new one, but that's about the only thing I can think of that I liked better from the original show).

Man, I hope this becomes a new series.

Oh, and as a Kzinti at heart, I love the excellent use of drones in the show!

My humble US$0.02,
Scott

Blyre · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:17:57 am »

Those weren't drones, Scott. They were missiles

Wallace

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:23:55 am »

Quote:

I agree with the comments about the "baby scene". There were much easier, and less offensive, ways of showing that #6 was an amoral entity. That was a bad scene in an otherwise wonderful show and one that I wish would have been left out because it disturbed me both at it's inherant repugnance as well as it's uselessness as an over-the-top plot device.

Actually, I thought it might be deeper than that. Number 6 mentioned that the baby would not have to cry for much longer meaning that nuclear armageddon was near. So, she might have considered it a mercy killing in her own twisted way.

It was interesting to see Simon Fraser University on screen for that shot anyway.

Toasty0 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:33:06 am »

I wasn't gonna watch it, but with the late night broadcast my resolve weakened.

Overall I liked it. For a pilot espisode it was well done. Some fine performances by some talented actors. Great production values.

My only major nit was the homage to Alien--all those gaping mouths, hissing, and darting tongues. Personally, I don't need the anime-type close-up of a kiss.

I too found the baby scene quite disturbing--but I appluad the story tellers for that scene. It was effective while at the same time introducing an element of internal conflict for the bad guy.

Over all this episode stood on its own...and well, I think it left in the dust the original that spawned it. (Sorry Dave, but I think you should take a look.)

Best,
Jerry

starwolf3500 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:45:19 am »

Wel, from the tone of the responses so far I can see that the level of requirements for good storytelling have gone WAY downhill for most people. Must be all of that fine "reality TV". I've seen better drama at a pizza joint. I guess we see why sci fi is a dying art. If what was shown last night was considered good to great then I shudder to think what the new definition of "bad" is.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2003, 08:51:04 am »

I took the baby killing as a mercy thing too. Besides, it was one ugly baby.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2003, 09:13:34 am »

Hmmm, I'd have thought someone who calls himself "starwolf" would have a sense of humor. Okey-dokey.

Blyre · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:04:51 am »

I was talking about specific precautions such as firewalls, rotating security passcodes, things that would be more than obvious to the Colonials yet there was no evidence of this in the episode. Yes, Baltar and Number 6 made references to unencumbered access to the Defense Mainframe, but unless the Colonial military was incredibly incompetent, the breaches in security would have been found and compensated for.

Your post seems a little testy there, Al, is everything okay? Remember this isn't Hot and Spicy, but Cool and Refreshing.

Wallace

Sten · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:15:14 am »

How long did Kevin Mitnik run around the Ubnited States with the access he gained.

Captain Quirk simply called up the access codes to the Reliant when he disabled Khan's controls.

How much money did it cost to correct the blaster and slammer viruses damage?

So the Cylons gained complete access to the database $_it happens sometimes.

Only thing I didn't really like character wise last night was the starbuck character. It just didn't work for me. Other than that I enjoyed the 2 hours I spent watching the show. Not bad for a Monday night.

Kortez · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:22:34 am »

I am not sure what to make of BSG yet. I found it kind of slow moving; that is what sticks out most in my mind, other than two things: I didn't like Baltar and Captain Apollo was not the heroic doer he was in the TV series.

I tend to be super critical, however. I taped it, watched it again, and liked it better the second time, and will tape and watch the second episode twice more.

Why did they make it? Is there even a chance to turn it into a series.

Oh, I did not like Starbuck, but I hope she will turn into more of a star tonight.

Cheers!

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