Topic: Question about police traffic stops... (Read 14711 times)

762 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 08, 2003, 04:24:39 pm »

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During my life, I have been misticketed 4 separate times, the most recently at a time when the cop absolutely lied about using radar on me.

Isn't that just super? They have absolutely zero burden of proof on this.

Cop: "I clocked him doing 75 in a 55."

Judge: "Case over! Guilty as hell!"

Iceman · « **Reply #41 on:** December 08, 2003, 08:29:00 pm »

Not really. In most courts its basically one word against another, unless there were 2 people in the car. (or 2 cops)

Kortez · « **Reply #42 on:** December 08, 2003, 09:01:32 pm »

I had my wife in the car when the lying cop pulled me over. He had it all figured out. I was cited for doing 46 in a 30, which was enough, by 1 mph, to screw me insurance-wise.

Do you think numbers is a lock? Don't think that.

Kortez · « **Reply #44 on:** December 09, 2003, 10:25:35 am »

The ticket happened just south of Route 9 on Weston Road, inm Wellesley, MA. I was infuriated, and my wife immediately looked over and said "oh oh you are doing 36 in a 30." I think she was right. I have a really good radar detector. His radar was off. When he pulled me over, he must have seen the radar detector because he went BACK to his car, reached in, and all kinds of radar and laser warnings went off in my car.

I flat out told him, "you did not have any radar or laser on until you went back to your car and turned it on. Why are you doing this? I was NOT doing 46." He ignored me totally.

James_Smith · « **Reply #46 on:** December 09, 2003, 12:33:27 pm »

I'm pretty sure that in Britain they have to calibrate it each morning, if they haven't done it (and they frequently don't) then you're let off.

I have an issue with traffic police in Derbyshire (the county adjacent to Staffordshire where I live) - they will pull you over if they feel like harassing someone, even if you weren't doing anything wrong. They are, however, monumentally stupid in some areas of the county...

There's one area that they ALWAYS (and I mean that) camp at with a radar gun trying to get people. It's a downhill road, so it's very easy to get caught a little way past the speed limit. Sadly, from their point of view, I know exactly where they are, and what range they can work at (the position they take up limits how close they can work). So I go tanking up to them at a fair rate of knots, stand the car on it's nose with the brakes, and crawl past waving at them. The reaction is usually explosive....

Next time I go down there I'll probably try take a mate along and get him to take a photo of them.

Demandred · « **Reply #49 on:** December 09, 2003, 01:39:51 pm »

Police should have to prove what they claim. In this day and age, any fool can get the evidence on camera - even traffic police.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #50 on:** December 09, 2003, 04:08:53 pm »

Depends on what you mean by proof. Eyewitness testimony is the least credible form of evidence, but it's still commonly accepted in courts. Since a traffic stop is usually a civil matter they don't have a heavy burden of proof...and when it comes down to "He said, she said" situations the police officer always wins out.

Of course, cops HATE to go to court so you might be able to get off if you show up in person and the cop isn't present.

762 · « **Reply #51 on:** December 09, 2003, 04:15:06 pm »

That's my point pun. "He said she said" does not meet the standard anywhere else except in traffic court. They should require more than that, like a permanent record from the radar gun.

IntgrSpin · « **Reply #52 on:** December 09, 2003, 04:48:42 pm »

Prove it was MY car the gun was pointed at.

I think we can let the cops some leeway here. If an officer is repeatedly called a liar, I'd guess internal affairs would investigate.

762 · « **Reply #53 on:** December 09, 2003, 04:55:09 pm »

No! No leeway!!

Tickets BAD!! Speeding GOOD!!

Hilton · « **Reply #55 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:10:21 am »

I work security and have a lot of cop friends. I can answer these questions for you.

1. Stop when you see the blue light unless it is entirely too dangerous or it is at night and lighting is bad.

2. Yes good idea. Besure he can see both of your hands all all time and do not make sudden unexpected movements.

3. Correct do not change.

4. Always play dumb. "Really?! I had no idea I was going that fast. I was just listening to my radio and didn't notice." It'll get you off with a warning most of the time.

SL-Punisher · « **Reply #56 on:** December 08, 2003, 02:19:53 am »

I was driving home on the freeway from a friends house tonight and I also happend to be speeding a bit

I wasn't paying attention and the next thing I know I see flashing lights in my rear view mirror. I took the next exit off the freeway and pulled over to the side of the road. Anyway to make a long story short the cop turned out to be someone from my High School that I had lost touch with. Given the fact that we were pretty good friends back then he decided to let me go without a ticket, but this brought up a couple questions in my mind while I was driving home.

1) Do police officers want you to pull over to the emergency lane on the highway when they stop you, or do they generally prefer you exit as soon as possible and then pull over? (This is assuming that there is an exit nearby)

2) I generally turn on my dome light and keep my hands firmly on the wheel until he walks up to my window...good idea?

3) I don't get out my walet or open my glove compartment until he askes me for my drivers license and insurance. (IE I don't want him to think im looking for a weapon)

4) I don't lie, I'll admit that I'm speeding and offer no excuse for it other than the fact that I wanted to get home quicker. I'll always show the officer proper respect by addressing him in a polite tone and using Sir or officer.

So any ex highway patrol officers that could provide some insight? Feel free to add any other pieces of advice

Javora · « **Reply #57 on:** December 08, 2003, 04:36:35 am »

Some of this stuff depends on the state that you live in. My question is why didn't you ask that person when you had the chance?

You are right on about number three (3) although IMHO I would wait until the officer comes up to the side of the car before you take your hands off the wheel, even if it's to turn on the dome light. Again IMHO number four (4) is the quickest way to get out of a ticket. As for number one (1). If there is a off ramp right there when you when the police signals you to pull over and you can get back onto the highway then I would take the off ramp. However I'm not going to drive five (5) miles just to find an off ramp and risk going to jail.

lloyd007 · « **Reply #58 on:** December 08, 2003, 06:32:04 am »

I've had experience with 4 officers in my driving career 2 have been nice 1 business and 1 jerk. I used all the things you outline.

Cop 1 in Rochester caught going 60 in a 40 mph zone at 2am after grabbing a late night snack... warning...

Cop 2 at a BIG speed trap (as I found out later after observation) no bones about it ticket pled down by lawyer.

Cop 3 after I totaled my car on black ice in the early morning (nothing I could do really). First he doesn't beleive my story 'I don't see any black ice' I wanted to reply, "Well you won't after 500 cars and trucks pass over it slowly to gawk at me!" but I had been in 5 degree F temps for over 40 minutes and was frozen solid. The %^^* officer gives me a catch all ticket which if not for a lawyer WOULD have been worth 8 fvcking points! Grr

Cop 4 was pretty nice he gave me a moving violation failing to signal rather than a speeding ticket outright which would have been 6 points and required good old superlawyer again.

None were as bad as my friends experience though he was pulled over for speeding and the cop without permission/warrant or plain sight ransacked his car even going so far as to slash seat cusions and put him in handcuffs!(finding nothing). Luckily he was driving some freinds around and had plenty of witnesses and he himself was polite (well not SO polite when the guy is tearing up the car) They got that car replaced and a written apology after a lawsuit there.

KOTH-Steel Claw · « **Reply #59 on:** December 08, 2003, 07:56:10 am »

1. If I am 20 miles form an exit., I pull over.

2. I always keep my hands in sight so there is no mistaking what I am doing.

3. Never offer anytihng unless asked for it.

4. Honesty is the best policy. I haven't always gotten out of a ticket, but I have been let go with a warning more times than not.

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