Topic: Been thinking about that Fed SCS mini... (Read 6459 times)

anduril · « **on:** December 05, 2003, 09:23:34 pm »

Lets say you loose the dish, maybe temporarily, and cut the deflector into the secondary hull. The dish can still be placed within the cutout if that is desired.

Then lose the scrawny neck and take an excelsior style neck and drop it in it's place. Tweak the dimensions a bit so it fits.

Grab the welders and some plating to fill in the holes left behind when the saucer gets moved up a bit.

This is just a quickie job I whipped up after dinner but you get the idea of where this could go.

Rhaz · « **Reply #1 on:** December 05, 2003, 09:35:07 pm »

I like this experiment!

Please continue.

Chrystoff · « **Reply #2 on:** December 05, 2003, 09:57:35 pm »

Amazing what folks can do after dinner...

Very nice!

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #3 on:** December 05, 2003, 10:00:00 pm »

Yep: I had done a little pondering myself on that so here we go!

This carrier is DN size, so this calls for 24 ftr capability or 12 ftrs and six double-size assault shuttles (Project Tadpole) with larger bays. So how about 2 rows of shuttle bays; the lower row could be 12 (six per side) ftr bays or 6 (3/side) assault size bays and 12 ftr bays on the top row. Use your excellent Concordence DN (

) primary hull. Also make secondary hull a little longer.

My warp field/thrust line calculations indicate that greater warp field efficiency would be attained if the warp pylons were flipped over and warp propusion units raised, taking care to not block shuttle bay access naturally....

Mien zwei pfinnig....

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2003, 01:01:50 am »

I stand corrected:

According to Chris Jones TOS/SFB shiplst.txt file which is the closest to SFB SSD specs, the CVA carries 16 ftrs, not 24. So adjust my numbers accordingly...

I think the double row of bays would work well because of the "neck" part would look shorter visually. Raising the outboard warps as above plus center warp needs to come down a bitsy will make it looks way sleek that will say just two words: FLEET CARRIER. Yea baby yea!

Whad'ya think? Another country-western song in the making I'll warrant....

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2003, 05:44:47 am »

Anduril
Very nice it Rocks and will be a great addition to the fleet once you complete it. Keep up the fantastic work Thanks so very much sharing this idea with us.

wanderer · « **Reply #6 on:** December 06, 2003, 06:32:07 am »

Quote:

This carrier is DN size, so this calls for 24 ftr capability or 12 ftrs and six double-size assault shuttles (Project Tadpole) with larger bays. So how about 2 rows of shuttle bays; the lower row could be 12 (six per side) ftr bays or 6 (3/side) assault size bays and 12 ftr bays on the top row. Use your excellent Concordence DN ( ) primary hull. Also make secondary hull a little longer.

My warp field/thrust line calculations indicate that greater warp field efficiency would be attained if the warp pylons were flipped over and warp propusion units raised, taking care to not block shuttle bay access naturally...

Quote:

I stand corrected:

According to Chris Jones TOS/SFB shiplst.txt file which is the closest to SFB SSD specs, the CVA carries 16 ftrs, not 24. So adjust my numbers accordingly...

I think the double row of bays would work well because of the "neck" part would look shorter visually. Raising the outboard warps as above plus center warp needs to come down a bitsy will make it looks way sleek that will say just two words: FLEET CARRIER.

Ok, just wanted to throw out some reference material so everything is clear;

In SFB, the CVA did carry 24 fighters; 12 F-14's and 12 A-10's. The SCS carried a total of 30 fighters; 12 F-18's, 12 F-14's, and 6 A-20's.

In SFC, the fighters groups for most races were reduced by 1/3 in the conversion from SFB; thus, the CVA has 16 fighters in SFC. Up until recently, so did the SCS; thanks to Firesoul for finally correcting that with his SFC:OP+ Mod; it now has 20.

Oh, and as to the positioning of the nacelles and balconies;

From SFB Module J, regarding the CVA: "The engines were mounted low and to the rear to leave space clear for the balconies. This also improved the side firing arcs...The CVA has three shuttle bays...there is a long bay on each side holding 12 fighters (normally six F-14 and six A-10). These two bays have the balcony and track landing system with a six-position balcony on each side." The third shuttle bay was, of course, at the rear and carried the various shuttles (adim, SWAC, etc.).

The SCS is a little different in that, it has 4 shuttlebays; the two sides bays, the rear bay, and a fourth bay that has semi-external links for the six A-20. From the placement of these links on the SSD, it would appear that this fourth bay is either along the spine, or underneath on the belly, of the secondary hull.

Anywhos, my $.02, hope ya don't mind.

anduril · « **Reply #7 on:** December 06, 2003, 06:46:33 am »

Thanks!

I've been waiting for the missus to wake up so I could go rummage through the closet and get my Federation book out so I could disseminate that exact information. The ssd's used to have symbols on them that showed exactly how many doors/launchers the ship had. Did they not decrease the number of doors on the side bays of the SCS? One of the reasons I went with the neck per the mini as opposed to the flat, just add a third warp, version of the MacArthur I've seen out there was to add mech links to the spine of the secondary. I was thinking maybe recess six pads and put mech links in them down the legnth of the spine.

As to the saucer. I know back in the day that the write up of the SCS suggested a DN saucer. I stll have reservations about he DN design itself when it comes to the placement of the third warp engine. I love the ship but it bugs me that the warp pylon just pops out of the saucer at basically the narrowest part. At least the CVA saucer offers a structure there meaning there is room for all the equipment and systems to support the conduits and such.

The neck can be shortened a bit as there is still clearance between the dome I thru on the bottom of the saucer and the deflector cut out. As can the third warp as it's just in an approximate spot.

I better get back on the CVA textures....

Ruminate on this a bit if you would brotha Schtupp as you are far more the engineer than I.

After taking a look at the ssd it looks like I'll have to extend that balcony back to the front of the secondary hull. I think I'll keep the wall and curve up at the front though for it's appearance. I was thinking they reduced the complement of fighters but my bad. What a beast this ship is.

anduril · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2003, 09:25:41 am »

Increased the balcony legnth, dropped the saucer on the neck a bit so the neck will probably come halfway up the saucer at the back and added a frame around the impulse area. Also widened the impulse deck at the rear, have to make room for the pylon and it's associated gear.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2003, 09:34:37 am »

The sacrilege....! They took a perfectly good deisgn and turned it into a hideous monster!

If you're gonna do it though, I'd suggest putting some creative effort into the neck area..........perhaps even make it curvy somewhat like a Galaxy-class neck.....one that "curves into" the top of the sec hull and "spreads out" at the top where it joins the saucer. Right now that blocky neck just does not give it a very flattering overall impression. Also, maybe even put a "leaning forward" angle on it, like most Fed ships have. That may mean you'll have to push the sacuer back so that you can have more neck, but hey it could work.

anduril · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2003, 09:42:43 am »

It's just a slightly modified Excelsior neck. Flat in the back and curving its way up to the front. Nothing special yet. Basic kitbash from one I had on my drive.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2003, 09:47:32 am »

Hmmm maybe extending the back of the impulse deck so you can make the neck larger......because right now it looks a bit odd because the neck is a bit small.

Rogue · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2003, 12:07:26 pm »

Anduril, will there ever be a return of the Galactic Fringe? I've collected about everything you have released to the community but it seems a shame your models aren't readily available.

anduril · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2003, 05:46:37 pm »

The Galactic Fringe looks to the new year as a time of rebirth.

Not only will a good portion of the ships I've done at the GC in it's previous incarnation be available but so will the ships of the Fringes other patron. A double top secret partner who's ships, when they also become available will make the masses happy. VERY happy.

Bear with us a bit longer.

Rogue · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2003, 07:26:59 pm »

Narsil reforged? (I hope I got the reference right) That's fabulous! I suppose we can wonder about the double top secret entity but if you told it wouldn't be secret anymore now would it?

It's been a long time coming. I've made note of how many times your name appears in the credits of so many TOS models. Those of us who are TOS fans and model users should speak well of you when your name is mentioned. I say this not so much for you to read but for those that are unfamiliar with your contributions. Glad you still enjoy making models and post interesting things to look at, guy.

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2003, 03:40:25 am »

Thick neck is good; a top/bottom row of ftr bays will visually shorten the neck, I'm tellin ya...

Hey wheres a StressPuppy when you need one? He should see this...

Did you want to stay pretty faithful to the miniature? I would find it pretty hard to resist not moving the engines around to gain "sleekness" while keeping the neck the same height as I had already posted. Not sure how much input you really wanted nor how close you wanted to stick to the mini design.

The recessed dish sure did help it out; that much is certain! Ship looks good from that 1st angle....

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2003, 10:38:22 am »

Yea not where Im at unfortunatly - I should've not have been so surprised I guess.

anduril · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2003, 11:38:31 am »

Funny thing that nick and my sometimers disease.

Read the series for the first time sometime in the mid 70's or so and when I was introduced to D&D in 79 it became the name of my first character. Been using it ever since.

Five years ago I was online giving all I got in a game of Quake3 and another player "Queen of Denial" (another good name) says...

Great choice of name Anduril!

In between rails I reply "Thanks!" Short answer cause you only have a short time between shots. I play a little longer and it dawns on me. I'd forgotten where the heck I'd gotten the name. So a little later I come back with..

"Hey QoD, been using the name so long and I suffer from old age retardedness. Where does that name come from?" She tells me and I'm like d'oh. I knew that. Either those synapses went dead, got scrambled and needed beer to reconnect them or the dreaded sometimers had me at that moment.

anduril · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2003, 09:30:53 am »

Alright, a bit tired of coming up with fighter pads on the carrier so I'll mess with this a bit. By the looks of that very finely crafted and molded mini ADB released it seems the mechlinks are in two rows of six down the spine of the ship. Which fits with the description "each column of three a-20's".

But it also calls the "bay" or "shuttle box" (in sfb terms) semi external. Now looking at the mini they are completely external if you ask me. Unless of course you consider the warp engine overhead the top of the semi enclosed structure....

If I was to arrange the shuttles in the fashion of the second pic I could fabricate a structure, albiet flimsy, that semi encloses the shuttles. Who's to say the enclosure isn't completed by a force field? Just thoughts....

Kaenyne · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2003, 09:52:51 am »

Well, I like th efirst arrangement to be honest. My idea would be to have some kind of magnetic grapplers underneath each shuttle/fighter. It could be represented by a simple pad of some sort.

Just my own two cents...

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2003, 10:18:47 am »

I like the 2nd. It looks like they'd be easier to make "semi-internal". On a seperate note, (What do you mean, you didn't ask for any seperate notes?) I like open hanger bay doors. Just an idea, when you get around to them. In case you don't ask.

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:22:32 pm »

Where will the other 12 ftrs go, underneath the six jeffries shuttles? Doesnt seem like enough space for 12...

The Jeffries shuttles look great btw!

anduril · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:37:37 pm »

Read it many moons ago...way many.

Only six actual bays per side sir. Just like the CVA. They do the shuffling amongst the 12 per side internally.

Prolly should mention that the ship is a bit under sized. Not all that much but enough that it will give me a little more room to make a structure over the a-20's.

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #29 on:** December 10, 2003, 02:11:34 pm »

Ah ha I see.

Ya know, this design is starting to grow on me, I am liking it more and more...

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2003, 02:15:40 pm »

I would recommend reading "Lost Tales" if you havent already, really sheds light on First and Second age stuff, esp. concerning Galadriel and the Sundering of the Elves. Das Recommenden!

anduril · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2003, 05:56:45 am »

You can thank Lord Schtupp for finding those little gems. I've been to the site before but never ever went through the section they were in. When he showed me a project that had a pic of them in I instantly thought the same thing he did.
Heavy shuttle! They're just quickie jobs for scaling.

Lord Schtupp · « **Reply #33 on:** December 11, 2003, 12:14:45 pm »

Well you know - great minds etc. etc.

I also see you've been putting in some late nights...

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #34 on:** December 12, 2003, 04:25:42 pm »

and I get up early in the morning to see if anything new is going on the forum. Bump to the top

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #35 on:** December 15, 2003, 07:30:19 am »

Bump so this stays on page one

anduril · « **Reply #36 on:** December 15, 2003, 09:37:02 am »

Nothing exciting to report as I've picked up a severe design block on this thing so I'm biding my time reworking the mesh of the Romulan V4.

Just a garage type layout I was playing with.

Anthony_Scott · « **Reply #38 on:** December 15, 2003, 12:54:22 pm »

I dig the garage concept!

Semper Fi, Carry On

anduril · « **Reply #39 on:** December 15, 2003, 01:08:34 pm »

Kinda my thinking. I had the openings circular and they went up higher but the poly count was going up proportionately. So I went with the square pattern for now. I'll cut it up higher. The glowy along the doors won't be a prob since I have to model the inside anyways so I'll have a rim around the doors.

anduril · « **Reply #40 on:** December 16, 2003, 08:31:50 am »

I think I'm going with something like this. I shortened it's height and brought the door tops closer to the middle. The mesh is set up so I can put a blue glowy strip around the doors to simulate a forcefield effect when they need to seal off the area from the outside space for serious work. I'll probably work the back of the garage a bit to flatten it out somewhat.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #41 on:** December 16, 2003, 12:14:18 pm »

That looks fantastic, man! (Damnit! Got my keyboard all drooled up, again!

)

anduril · « **Reply #42 on:** December 17, 2003, 07:20:06 am »

Deciding on what to do with the pennants on the center warp. I was thinking about removing the "Starship U.S.S. blah blah" from the side of the secondary hull and putting "Starship U.S.S. blah blah" on one side of the center warp and "United Federation of Planets" on the other. The secondary hull pennant would remain but just be a pennant without any writing.

Yea, no...

Julin Eurthyr · « **Reply #43 on:** December 17, 2003, 07:34:38 am »

Work on complaining on ISC fighters and miss this gem...

Nice work on the "garage". Just my opinion, I always thought those "semi-external mech links" were tractor beams with a locking system around them, and a pop-up bay would slide out and extend over the fighter when they needed repairs.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #44 on:** December 17, 2003, 08:16:22 am »

I think that your idea for the pennants will work just fine.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #45 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:36:50 am »

The mech links do incorporate tractors. Maybe some sort of pad (like a helocopter pad) done with the textures, to mark the link's spot. (Actually this is just an excuse to *bump* this. Wanna keep it on the front page.

)

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #46 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:43:14 pm »

Any more pics, to tide us over? I'm starting to have really bad TOS cravings.

Bernard Guignard · « **Reply #47 on:** December 22, 2003, 11:06:25 am »

Hi Anduril
She's looking sweeter and sweeter. keep up the fantastic work.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #48 on:** January 04, 2004, 06:00:37 pm »

Bump! How's she coming?

Khalee · « **Reply #49 on:** January 18, 2004, 01:35:39 pm »

Has this one been shelved it was way back on page 5

Khalee · « **Reply #50 on:** February 22, 2004, 06:30:22 am »

And how about this one, Are you done yet., Page 15 cant let it slip off into outerspace.

The_Infiltrator · « **Reply #52 on:** February 22, 2004, 03:20:28 pm »

This is looking like an excellent model; I hope that TMP and later versions come out. It would also be nice if a matching A-20 model was released as well.

wanderer · « **Reply #53 on:** February 23, 2004, 11:57:46 pm »

Anduril, any news on the SCS?

In other words...bump...

FPF_TraceyG · « **Reply #54 on:** February 24, 2004, 08:32:44 pm »

I just found this thread... that ship is looking pretty good!!

DeltaAssault · « **Reply #55 on:** February 24, 2004, 08:37:06 pm »

Looks nfity, though I'll always prefer the flatbed version.

Cmdr_Kell · « **Reply #56 on:** March 23, 2004, 09:14:06 pm »

Bump

Age · « **Reply #57 on:** March 24, 2004, 02:33:33 am »

It looks good but I don't think you really need the secound warp naccelle or center naccelle.It looks great with just two.That way you don't have to worry about pennent stuff.

Cmdr_Kell · « **Reply #58 on:** April 12, 2004, 05:15:11 pm »

bump

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