Topic: Enterprise: Xindi story arc to be reset? (Read 13345 times)

Javora · « **Reply #20 on:** December 04, 2003, 05:39:01 pm »

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Anyway, I think there is a good chance of a reset button. I think I remeber Bragga saying that there will be a reason no one talks about the Expanse in the future.

I remember that, but I think that it all depends on how Bragga is interpreted here. Bragga could also have meant that the Expanse could be destroyed along with the Xindi and their weapon. Remember no one except the Xindi (seemingly) can exit the Expanse. The Enterprise will have to find some way to return home after their mission is over. Since the later Trek series does not mention the Expanse, this seems to be the most likely ending to this season.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #21 on:** December 04, 2003, 05:46:14 pm »

But Daniels and his crew know what was "supposed" to happen and what wasn't. He said things like "this wasn't supposed to happen to the Enterprise" so in this time the Enterprise does exist and had a very important mission, despite there being no mention of this Enterprise in previous trek (although all other versions shown and mentioned, unless of course mankind names a new ship Enterprise in our real world, from tall ship through late TNG versions), so not mentioning something has very little basis on what is shown anymore.

The Expanse is being setup to be shutdown anyway, with the spheres causing it. I would bet that they are going to cop out in that since the expanse was destroyed (via destroying or shutting down the spheres) that they just aren't mentioned in later series. The Enterprise will just fly out of that area of space, because the expanse won't exist anymore.

Draco · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2003, 07:07:07 pm »

Here?s my theory, Enterprise will encounter the Xindi home world and be promptly surrounded by hundreds of ships. We will see a large greenish ship with a big piece in the front and two large bits sticking out of each side complete with a big pretty picture on the bottom looking a bit like a hawk (a Romulan, sneaky little b******). This ship will quickly bug out at the ?unbelievable? speed of warp 9. The Xindi will swarm Enterprise all ready to destroy it when all of a sudden a dozen ?strange anomalies? appear and spew forth large white ships with those arrowhead symbols and the red trails (you know the ones). These new ships easily lay waste to the Xindi fleet while another sends out a large wave of multi-colored energy that clears everything from the screen. The following scene has the Enterprise orbiting Earth and receiving orders to begin heading out into deep space.

Hence the big reset button that will bring the show back a few years to the proper time so that the Earth-Romulan war can begin at the proper time to allow the Federation to be established in the year set down by Troi?s line in TNG that sets it as 2161.

A bit of info on the war in question, the Star Trek encyclopedia states that the war occurred around 2160, which was the year that the neutral zone was established. It also mentions a war between the Romulans and the Vulcans which lasted a century, the time frame is not set down but it occurred some time before 2072. Perhaps this can be used to show a bit of human ingenuity which has the Vulcans impressed into helping to found the federation.

Death_Merchant · « **Reply #25 on:** December 01, 2003, 01:06:16 pm »

Am I the only one who noticed the throwaway line by time-traveling Daniels in "Carpenter Street"?

"The conflict between humanity and the Xindi was not supposed to happen." ...or words to that effect.

Will the whole series be hit with the "reset button" upon conclusion of the Xindi arc?

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** December 01, 2003, 01:14:20 pm »

Well, there are rumors about the Patrick Duffy and Victoria Principal cameos later in the season...

Gambler · « **Reply #28 on:** December 01, 2003, 01:25:26 pm »

It's cheap, it's cheesey, it sounds about right. Like the year of hell or whatever on Voyager.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #33 on:** December 01, 2003, 02:26:39 pm »

Didn't Daniels say that it wasn't supposed to happen, when this whole thing got underway too? Of course this whole thing is going to be a reset switch type situation, it can't be anything else, imo. If you ask me though, the whole setup for the episode was rediculous. It takes time for a change in the past to ripple up to the later time and register? How much time, and why? What's the deal with that, and since they are time traveling, don't they have all the time in the world to setup a party to go back and nuke the problem? What's with the "it took so much time to get approval just for me to make contact with you, but there isn't time for...." I even if time was a factor (which it shouldn't be, since they are dealing with going back and fixing a problem that apparently didn't wipe them out entirely) wouldn't it take more time to get approval to use their equipment to send Archer and another person (a person who was relatively uncontaminated by the idea of time travel 'til now, mind you) than it would for Daniels and a couple of other agents to go back and fix the problem themselves? Just doesn't wash, if you ask me (the episode was pretty good, except for a few of those things, but since the core was bad...

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Their time travel writing is lazy/sloppy to the extreme, and they need to just let it die out after they finish the Xindi thing, and move back to something simpler, like the Vulcan/Andorian thing, but they clearly MUST do these things, especially since they don't have a holodeck to do their little throw away stories with because they don't have what it takes to build a larger scale story that doesn't need over half a season of filler or episodes which only partially pertain to the overall storyline. Oh, well.

Daew Anahos · « **Reply #34 on:** December 01, 2003, 04:15:44 pm »

If they aren't going to do a reset, I'd be very interested in how they are going to explain everything.

The main clue is in the pilot and the whole Temporal Cold War deal. They are giving themselves a way out from the get go.

Nuff said.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #37 on:** December 01, 2003, 04:55:27 pm »

Personally, I don't have a problem with the reset situation in this instance, the problem is that they use it SO MUCH, that most of the episodes end up meaning absolutely nothing at all in the long run, which may be better because they don't seem to know the meaning of the word continuity anyway.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #39 on:** December 01, 2003, 05:57:29 pm »

A season of the Federation/Romulan War = Teh W1N!!!!!!!1!!!!11!!

Please...get to it already...stop with the time travel nonsense! They clearly aren't up to it!

Still...Leland Orser was cool...

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