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OP - Define "cheese" please
FatherTed:
Cheese is generally regarded as a ship(s) that doesn't require any real effort to win with, or is so over the top that it's unbeatable in a seasoned player's hands. Examples would be any Klink, Kzinti, or Fed escort; multi-carrier fleets; multi-PF fleets; and a few other ships that are capable of beating 1-2 size classes above it's own, even against a human. IMHO, the biggest cheese in OP are the 2X ships, i.e. "Wisconsin's Finest". 1st generation X-ships are definitely beatable by normal ships, but the 2nd generation should never have been put into the game. SFB dumped them because they were so ridiculously over the top, yet they sneaked into SFC.
I'm sure there are many others who can give you examples of cheese.
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Firestorm:
There are three ships considered to be Cheese that I can think of in OP:
In no particular order:
* The ISC PPD boat
* The Hydran G2 boat
* The Mirak MIRV boat.
3dot14:
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There are three ships considered to be Cheese that I can think of in OP:
In no particular order:
* The ISC PPD boat
* The Hydran G2 boat
* The Mirak MIRV boat.
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Good point. Guess I don't play OP enough. (here are a couple "real" cheese's that I couldn't think of earlier)
So guess my previous definition was imcomplete. the "no effort" definition is much broader.
p.s. I just realized there is no "thumb up" icon anymore
troycheek:
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Cheese is generally regarded as a ship(s) that doesn't require any real effort to win with, or is so over the top that it's unbeatable in a seasoned player's hands.
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Against me, pretty much any ship is beatable by a seasoned player, unless I get lucky. I guess that's my problem with the entire concept of 'cheese': Even playing with a cheese ship or a cheese tactic, a better player can still beat me.
Some nights, it seems that every time I lose it's because the other player is better than me, but every time I win, it's because I'm flying that cheesy ship.
On the other hand, I've encountered some very nice (or evil, depending on your point of view) people who believe that any ship or tactic that the game lets you use is legal, so you'd better use it against them because they're sure going to use it against you. Those people are a blast to play against.
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Examples would be any Klink, Kzinti, or Fed escort; multi-carrier fleets; multi-PF fleets; and a few other ships that are capable of beating 1-2 size classes above it's own, even against a human. IMHO, the biggest cheese in OP are the 2X ships, i.e. "Wisconsin's Finest". 1st generation X-ships are definitely beatable by normal ships, but the 2nd generation should never have been put into the game. SFB dumped them because they were so ridiculously over the top, yet they sneaked into SFC.
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However, said ships do have higher BPV. For what a bare X2 (as I call them) ship costs, you can fully outfit a DN and maybe an escort to boot. Seems to me that evens things out a bit.
Except, of course, for those who tell me that DNs are cheese, having a second ship is cheating, etc.
Total cheese ship list:
Whichever X2 ships my opponent *didn't* choose but I did
Any DN or BB, regardless of era or BPV limit
Any ship with MIRV or more drones than your opponent can shoot down in one turn
Any ship with PPD
Any ship with hellbore
Any ship with fighters/PF
Any ship with heavy disrupters
Any ship with a G2 phaser
Any ship with a rear-firing heavy weapon
Any ship that can charge weapons faster at speed 20 than theirs can at speed 31
Any ship that can reinforce shields more at speed 20 than theirs can at speed 31
Any ship whose shields regenerate faster than theirs
Multiple ships
Total cheese/cheaters tactic list:
Playing near map border
Playing near planet or asteroid
Leading opponent through dust clouds
Playing near black hole
Multiple T-bombs
Tractoring opponent into any of the above
Gorn anchor to prevent WW launch
Launching WW to prevent tractoring
Phaser boating/phaser enema
Star castling/just flying slower than they are
In 2v2 or 3v3, ignoring one ship and going 2v1, then concentrating on second ship, etc
In FFA, firing back at someone who fires at me even though they are "clearly" in a 1v1 with someone else
After being left for dead, using the 15 spare parts I bought to repair my ship
Retreating while flinging plasma or drones over my shoulder
Using ECCM and proxies to get a decent hit rate with photons
Using ECM, EM, and shield reinforcement to prevent damage by photons
Using cheat codes to cause plasma/drone to ignore WW
Some good stories to go with some of those, if anybody is interested.
Troy
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