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OP - Define "cheese" please
troycheek:
Got a cable modem a couple of months back and now I finally understand the big hoopla about playing online against other people. And after a few early butt-whippin's, I've gotten pretty good at playing OP against human opponents. Well, at least people don't get into shouting matches trying to foist me off onto the other team anymore. :-)
One thing that still confuses me is the concept of "cheese". Based on a couple of months of playing, here's my working definition of cheese:
Cheese (n): Any ship or tactic that I beat you with.
Is there a more or less generall accepted definition or list of cheese ships and tactics (as some of my opponents imply), or is it simply a matter of personal taste (as others suggest)? Or is this simply another case of sour grapes? "Sure, you beat me, flying that cheese ship!"
My standard taunt to anyone who says I'm using a cheese ship is to offer to play the next game, them in my ship, me flying theirs. Nobody seems to want to take me up on that offer, for some reason.
Troy
FireSoul:
Of course not.. they play a few ships well, and that's about it..
.. it's yet another reason why I started enhancing the shiplist with additional SFB material: the rules have changed, the cheese are different.. and quite numerous.. numerous enough to dilute the issue that there might be a balance issue.
oh well, it takes a TRUE player to be able to play all sides well.
-- Luc
TheShadow:
Hey Troy. I dont mean to hijack your thread, but I noticed that youre in Benton, TN. I used to live in Tellico Plains. I live in NC now. Small world.
3dot14:
the way I see it:
Cheese (n) any tactic that involves the deficiency of the original programming.
for example: escort ships (and other ships using 3+ droG) are cheese because the programming overcompensated when implementing droG's double-duty.
Or massive droner (classic: 3 Z-DF immortalized by Ktujegh (apoligizes for misspelling)) because the point defence routine is not perfect. If the game is played on speed one and PD is manual, the result might be different than playing at speed 9 with auto-PD.
BUT...
I can't think of a "real" cheese tactic that's still in the game. Most of them are supressed through patches already.
Robb Stark:
I would also count "cheese" as a tactic which makes deliberate use of some flaw or limitation in the game itself. Specifically, I'm thinking any map border tactics. The map border (also known as the Stupid Big Red Line in Space) is an artificial constraint created for the purposes of the game - it has no conceivable "real life" equivalent.
Therefore, tactics that involve camping out in the corner of the map, herding someone towards the border, or using your tractor to push them out of the map and force them to disengage are cheese tactics. At least, that's how I'd look at them.
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