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Rat_Boy

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Another review of Galactica 2003
« on: November 28, 2003, 08:02:40 pm »
From Eclipse Magazine

Certainly sounds more cheerful than the Ain't It Cool News review a few weeks ago, but I'm still hedging my bets.

Rat_Boy

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2003, 11:07:06 pm »
Anyone watch the Sci-Fi "documercial" about the new miniseries?  My resistance to it is starting to slip either because the new show looks good or Sci-Fi put on one good propaganda film.

Death_Merchant

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2003, 12:21:14 am »
I saw it.
Some things I liked, and some things made me cringe.

And one thing made me laugh out loud: The actress playing Starbuck, turning to the camera and saying, "I play Starbuck, deal with it."  
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EmeraldEdge

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2003, 07:00:31 am »
There will undoubtedly be some cool things in the new series.  The graphics look GREAT, but is it Battlestar?  Couldn't they have left Battlestar alone, and told the same story?  Certainly they could have.  

Rat_Boy

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2003, 11:47:59 am »
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And one thing made me laugh out loud: The actress playing Starbuck, turning to the camera and saying, "I play Starbuck, deal with it."  




I thought her talk with Dirk Bennedict at a Starbucks shop was the best part of the whole show.

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There will undoubtedly be some cool things in the new series. The graphics look GREAT, but is it Battlestar? Couldn't they have left Battlestar alone, and told the same story? Certainly they could have.




Then they would've been accused of ripping off Galactica.  It's a lose-lose deal.

EmeraldEdge

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2003, 01:01:37 pm »
I doubt that they would have been slammed too much about stealing from Galactica.  If the ships looked different, and the names were different.  I believe it was said they were going with a single planet rather than 12 colonies at one point, which would also have helped.  Man's creation comes back to kill them to the near point of extinction, isn't exactly Battlestar, not by a longshot.  Tons of series and sci-fi have a holocaust of some kind that forces "man" off their original world, but they aren't thought of as clones of Battlestar.  Since most of the "villains" look human, and if they had gone with a non-cylon looking metal villain (they are practically there anyway) I just dont' think it would have been there.  Different names, different look, different concept = different show.  

CptCastrin

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2003, 06:53:35 pm »
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There will undoubtedly be some cool things in the new series.  The graphics look GREAT, but is it Battlestar?  Couldn't they have left Battlestar alone, and told the same story?  Certainly they could have.  




I don't see the issue of remaking BSG. I understand the angst of seeing many parts totally re-written and the back story changed but after reading many reviews (including the early, rabid, fan-boy ones) I can see that the story has more grittiness and realism. Sure thay could have "expanded" from the end of the existing series but post Aliens and other "hard" sciense movies / series ... I think fewer would be interested than you think.

BSG does not need to be turned into a BSG:TNG thing. Been there, done that. What I think is needed is a true to physics, realistic, space warfare flick. Several have tried and most have failed. But what BSG has that the others don't is a proven look / feel, the fans have proved that.

I have been a fence sitter on this but after watching the SciFi channel "the Lowdown" preview I now really look forward to the mini-series. It has that hard edge, real combat in space feel (and anyone that thinks that "bullets" in space is crap don't know physics) and the horrors that would cause. The viewing public are trired of seeing stuff that they know can't exisit in the next 10 - 20 years IMHO. Put an understandable weapon (rail guns, missle batteries, AA "cannons") on a ship in space and people see it for what it is, a warship  that is built and ready to kick some butt, and that is a cool thing to see and watch in action.

Dec 8 I'll be ready to give it the acid test ... it should be interesting.

   

Javora

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2003, 09:19:05 pm »
The thing that bugged me about the new Galactica series is the whole "... but this time it's a girl !!!" mentally.  That whole male/female thing is way past old.  Also using the fact that men and women are in combat together now a days is no excuse to change the characters gender any more than that lame "Romeo and Juliet" excuse was.  Hello people every rendition of Romeo and Juliet that has ever been produced still had Romeo as a male and Juliet as a female.  I'm sorry but the reasons for changing the gender roles in the new Galactica is as flimsy as the reasons for canceling Farscape.

The other thing that caught my eye is that seine where the shell blows up after spinning around on the floor.  Now I know that shells in today?s navy can do that but in space?  The whole reason for rifled barrels is for better, more accurate range in an atmosphere.  I do not see any real advantage for a rifled barrel in a space conflict.

Who ever made the point about how the cylons came about is right.  The people making the series should have paid more attention to the old series.
 

EmeraldEdge

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2003, 11:32:06 pm »
Well, not sure where the rifled barrels are, but if they are on the Vipers, that could be because they are meant for atmospheric flight as well as space flight, so they would need to be accurate there.

I don't mind an updating of technology and stuff.  I always applaud using more realistic physics, that isn't what bothers me.  The combat and stuff looked cool in the stuff I saw, it's the other things that I found bothered me.  In several reviews they comment on #6's spine glowing when she's having sex.  Now how lame is that?  Not exactly something you would expect to see in modern sci-fi.  More akin to some of the old corny stuff that is unwatchable.  Doesn't Baltar notice?  I mean, really.  

I also agree on the reason for changing the sex of the characters.  I dont' mind changing Boomer that much.  He was a supporting character, but I must agree that the reasoning for changing Starbuck seems pretty flimsy.  If they really wanted to go through that male/female dynamic, there were characters from the old series that were female pilots after a while, and I wouldn't have any problem with that character being a capable pilot right from the get go and having a larger role.

I think my biggest problem with bullets in space is the amount of cargo space supplies would take up.  Where do they store all the ammo?  What happens when they run out?  Can they reasonably hold enough ammo to stock all those fighters for battle after battle, as well as all the ammo for the rail guns, etc. and still have room for all the fighters, support equipment, etc.?  They are making a huge journey, now if they make that part of the story that's fine, but I bet it ends up being more of a Voyager thing.  They have unlimited unless someone wants to tell a story about it early on, but it will quickly become a non-issue (and it would certainly be interesting if all the alien races they come across used the same size/shape/type of ordinance, wouldn't it?).  I'm all for being more realistic militarily, but the lack of computers on the bridge for some things "because they don't allow networked computers onboard military vessels".  Well, what about non-networked ones then?  Probably more effective than a grease pencil, I would imagine.  What's with corded phones everywhere?  That's certainly not modern tech, even for us, is it?

Anyway, my biggest beef is with what's been done to the story overall, and the characters within.  I still look forward to watching it, but at this point, from what I've read, I think a different direction would have been better.  

Aldaron

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2003, 11:52:09 am »
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  What's with corded phones everywhere?  That's certainly not modern tech, even for us, is it?

Anyway, my biggest beef is with what's been done to the story overall, and the characters within.  I still look forward to watching it, but at this point, from what I've read, I think a different direction would have been better.  




As a matter of fact yes the corded "phone" are modern. They don't use any electricity so if the ship loses power communications remain intact. Your voice supplies the power to send the message over the wires.
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EmeraldEdge

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2003, 12:47:30 pm »
Um, I believe that along the way, corded phones do actually use electricity, do they not?  they are just not attached to the normal electric network.   The voice doesn't actually power the phone, but it is taken and amplified by the microphone in the reciever, then sent down the line in various forms, through wires.  The distance the voice travels in a phone line, would require amplification otherwise you end up with a short range string and tin can situation, don't you?  The lines could be severed as well, so loss of power to the phone system, or loss of line connection could dump the communications.  One would assume that a ship like that would have a backup power system (at least one) to maintain power to vital systems during a main power outage anyway.  If all systems were to go down, you've probably got a lot more to worry about I'd imagine.  

hobbesmaster

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2003, 01:06:14 pm »
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Um, I believe that along the way, corded phones do actually use electricity, do they not?  they are just not attached to the normal electric network.   The voice doesn't actually power the phone, but it is taken and amplified by the microphone in the reciever, then sent down the line in various forms, through wires.  The distance the voice travels in a phone line, would require amplification otherwise you end up with a short range string and tin can situation, don't you?  The lines could be severed as well, so loss of power to the phone system, or loss of line connection could dump the communications.  One would assume that a ship like that would have a backup power system (at least one) to maintain power to vital systems during a main power outage anyway.  If all systems were to go down, you've probably got a lot more to worry about I'd imagine.  




I'd imagine they'd be concerned about jamming with a wireless communications system; especially during boarding actions.  

EmeraldEdge

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2003, 01:45:57 pm »
Yeah, I could buy that reasoning, but combined with the grease pencil thing and lack of tech because "Adama doesn't want it" (There was a stated effort to make the show more realistic to our military, do captains of ships get to deny an order to bring their ship in for upgrades?), it kind of spells out trying to make it look a certain way.  

Rat_Boy

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2003, 02:09:32 pm »
From here:

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The first battlestars were intentionally designed to be low tech; phones with cords, manually operated doors and valves, and the most basic computer systems (none of them are networked together), all designed to operate in combat against an enemy who could infiltrate and disrupt all but the most basic systems.



BortaS

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2003, 02:21:41 pm »
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Yeah, I could buy that reasoning, but combined with the grease pencil thing and lack of tech because "Adama doesn't want it" (There was a stated effort to make the show more realistic to our military, do captains of ships get to deny an order to bring their ship in for upgrades?), it kind of spells out trying to make it look a certain way.    




Their website said things had to be low tech because of the cylon's ability to infiltrate technology.  If you keep anything in a computer, the cylon's will be able to get into it.  So the grease pencils and corded phones and no ship wide computer networks are just a security measure.

EmeraldEdge

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2003, 02:56:49 pm »
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Following the defeat of the Cylons, the Colonial Fleet built a new second generation battlestar with the Galactica being the first of the new battlestars replacing the original Galactica.




From the same page.  Thus the battlestar in the new series isn't one of the first (which are the ones described as being so low tech), it's actually a second generation Battlestar.  Additinally, there was comment about how Adama had not allowed advanced Tech upgrades on the new Galactica, it should be noted that he isn't an admiral, and is supposed to be a "relic", why would he be allowed to dictate such a thing rather than having to follow orders and bring his ship in for upgrades (additionally, it was said that the Galactica was the first of the second gen/high tech Battlestars, so it should have been built with the high tech in it alread, especially since the Cylons wars were over at the time)  Now, supposedly they still have computers onboard, but "the most basic" systems.  Couldn't they Cylons just invade the important ones, if they have such remote infiltration capabilities?

The Colonial fleet eventually had 120 Battlestars at the time of the Cylon "sneak attack".  Interesting that a single battestar with most of it's heavies discharged and half the ship turned into a museum would have a fighting chance then.  Weren't there just 12 in the original series?  Seems a little more believable, imo.  

Aldaron

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2003, 04:02:41 pm »
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Um, I believe that along the way, corded phones do actually use electricity, do they not?  they are just not attached to the normal electric network.   The voice doesn't actually power the phone, but it is taken and amplified by the microphone in the reciever, then sent down the line in various forms, through wires.  The distance the voice travels in a phone line, would require amplification otherwise you end up with a short range string and tin can situation, don't you?  The lines could be severed as well, so loss of power to the phone system, or loss of line connection could dump the communications.  One would assume that a ship like that would have a backup power system (at least one) to maintain power to vital systems during a main power outage anyway.  If all systems were to go down, you've probably got a lot more to worry about I'd imagine.  




No they don't and yes the voice powers the phone.

http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/60186004/spcc1.htm

And they look like telephones too not just the headset types. I know, I was on Coast Guard ships and used them every day. No reason to replace what works. If the line gets severed just move to another hookup and you are back in communications.  Also another advantage is if the mouthpeice stops working you can use the earpiece to talk and listen moving it back and forth between mouth and ear and saying over when you are done talking so the person on the other side knows that they can now talk and you are listening, etc.
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hobbesmaster

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2003, 04:42:03 pm »
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 Additinally, there was comment about how Adama had not allowed advanced Tech upgrades on the new Galactica, it should be noted that he isn't an admiral, and is supposed to be a "relic", why would he be allowed to dictate such a thing rather than having to follow orders and bring his ship in for upgrades




That didn't stop Kirk in ST:VI.  

Blyre

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2003, 04:47:39 pm »
Wanna go get me some batteries for the sound powered phones, Aldaron?

Wallace
 
P.S. I think they are referring to those other phones....

 

Aldaron

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Re: Another review of Galactica 2003
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2003, 05:50:22 pm »
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Wanna go get me some batteries for the sound powered phones, Aldaron?

Wallace
 
P.S. I think they are referring to those other phones....

   




LOL, never fell for that one or any of the others