Topic: eve+sfc+dyna-mmog=dream game (Read 8510 times)

Jaeih t`Radaik · « **Reply #40 on:** February 11, 2004, 03:25:50 am »

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ahh ok go ahead make fun of a new idea.. nobody likes change anyways huh? they've already made a Starwars MMoRPG. it's called SW:G they just haven't implemented the Ship expansion yet.

think of it this way.. 1 huge Dynaverse.. with free movement into hexes, not click and go. imagine your piloting C7 through those hexes while still in game mode.. passing planets and looking for that Federation ship to kill in the neutral Zone. Now imagine very little AI and Lots more Human interaction, trading, pirating, being officers in the Races StarFleet. imagine your C7 just found signs of a federation ship.. you pilot towards the warp sig.. and find yourself outside a Fleet of 25 players all flying FFG's, and this battle by no means is.. 6 player only.. it's now 25:1 odds. and now all you have to do is type / fleet to get a few more players there warp speed to cover the odds.
and i'm really talking massive Wars.. XEno corp wants to Invade Lyran space and take out a fleet and it's Starbase.. well 100+ players in 1 battle sounds like a good battle to me..
Not to Mention the persistant Universe, where even if your not online things happen. and Player vs. Player in it's true form. Using the Combat engine the SFC series has now. So if a Federation ship decides to break from the UFP and form up an Orion pirate fleet he can.. he just has to watch out of the Feds Vaporizing his Ship before he breaks the neutral zone. The only penalty.. he loses the fed Ship he stole for an orion ship. there are no leveling treadmills. no In game skills to learn.. everyone starts equal.. and only has to pass the tutorial to learn how to fly a Race ship. which will be required for all new comers to the game. it'll be the only way they have no PvP til they learn the race.

And 1 other thing.. this kinda game is not just around the corner.. i would say at least 4 years worth of Developing and testing before a beta is released. due to either converting the game engine or adding a new one. you want to expand beyond dynaverse, not add to it.

I've just spent a whole lot of time reading this thread from start to finish, and I find myself agreeing with Raniz here most of all. Just posted a cropped version of his original post to remind everyone, and make my own points.

1) The above idea is ideal. Do it. Make it happen. I don't want excuses, I don't want compromises, just make it happen. I don't care if it takes 5 years to get out, but get it out, bug free, no-expansion packs/upgrades/patches needed. I'll still be here (see below).

2) I'm a Trek fan. I'll always be a Trek fan. Why? I'll tell you. No matter what new games, books, movies, series, tech manuals, and/or 'canonising compromise' explanations come out, I love Classic Trek. Kirk and Co. Rule. In staying true to them, I will never lose my enthusiasm for Trek. All the PC crap of TNG, the 'copying B5's Shadow War' stuff of DS9, the silly (or plain crap) storylines of VOY, the destroying-TOS-canon of ENT (apart from that I kinda like it) - I don't give a flying rat's buttock. TOS Forever.

3) I'm an SFB girl. I love ST ships. I love the variation that SFB/C game me in ship combat. I played SFC1/2:EAW/2:OP for almost 3 years straight before getting bored, and that was only because I haven't DLed any new mission scripts and the old skirmishing was getting stale. I played SFC3 for one month. Having all the weapons the same and only 4 races was BORING! I want the variations of plasma torpedoes, Hellbores and Fusion beams, ESG fields, etc. (I could probably do without the drones, right enough

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The Vulcans have it right: IDIC. The new game should stick to the spirit - if not the letter - of SFB.

I've noticed I tend to ramble too.

Anyhoo, that's my take. Got a little (!) OT, but see above.

I am, as ever,

Mr_six · « **Reply #42 on:** November 21, 2003, 04:33:24 pm »

Have any of you guys tried eve? I played eve for a few months. Overall it was a good game but it started to get a little boring, plus a lot of the ship models were down right ugly (moa class anyone?). The combat was very simple compared to sfc and understandably so given the mmog nature of eve.

The more I played eve, the more I wished I were playing sfc with a z-axis. If you haven?t tried eve yet then don't be so quick to knock the flight model. I was very skeptical myself until I saw it in action.

IMO dynaverse represents what?s best and worst about sfc. In theory it?s a great idea but it has some flaws, not to mention that it's never really worked as well as I had hoped. If replace the hex map with a map of systems similar to eve and streamlined the server side of things, making it easier for people to run stable servers, then I think this game could really take off.

I know the startrek universe is hurting bad.. both in the game market, the tv market and the movie market. Nothing would turn things around better then a truly blockbuster game followed up by a solid movie.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #43 on:** November 21, 2003, 05:07:31 pm »

i couldnt agree more. the fact that eve - a totally new game with no "base" could do well shows me that if there was a good solid trek product out there, it could really do well.

imagine being able to actually EXPLORE planets out there and beam teams down to planet to explore and what not.. not just the scan missions.

lots of possibilities.

NightStalker-SFC3 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 21, 2003, 05:26:22 pm »

That type of game would attract all kinds of gamers not just Star Trek gamers. I would buy five copies of that game!

AdmiralFrey_XC · « **Reply #45 on:** November 22, 2003, 10:46:48 am »

You may not be waiting as long as you think.

More news to follow.

Caseck · « **Reply #46 on:** November 22, 2003, 10:16:46 pm »

Yeah, a Z-axis would be so liberating! If they'd just take all the damn SFC series, and everything that works, not add any new graphics at all, they'd have a winner. Put in crews, and skills to give you a role-playing aspect, and it would simply kick ass. (Each ship should have a unique model tho!) Just put it out bug-free and it would be kicking like a nine-legged ninja!

Every incarnation of SFC after the first has been hamstringed by the awful rush to get it into the stores. Each of these damn games would have been a success if they hadn't been rushed out so buggy. And after OP and EAW got rushed in, SFC3 took the worst early release beating of all... And it had such potential! Agh!

It's just such a shame. And now with all these mmorpgs coming on line, there is no heir-apparent in the SFC community. What a bummer.

DH123 · « **Reply #49 on:** November 23, 2003, 07:16:56 am »

Sounds like bridge commander to me . . .

Raniz Murjuri · « **Reply #50 on:** November 23, 2003, 10:44:39 am »

you could prolly due a good search of a post a made about 1 year ago on this very same topic..

it's funny.. i got the bridge commander game insult too. Even thought bridge commander is way off of what i was actually saying..
And i got "well it's way too hard to make a Universe in a Computer game"

i wrote an email to Taldren about prolly o' , 6 months ago.. and still haven't got a reply

but i'd play the game....

i tried EVE online for 2 whole months before i got fed up with it. it's actually way more crappy than what he states in the first post.

3 biggest things i hated About EVE:

1) Constrictive piloting

2) Treadmill ( need i say more)

3) Combat system just sucked.

Could be why they tend to release a Expansion so early in it's ,life to regain some players that left.

3dot14 · « **Reply #51 on:** November 23, 2003, 12:20:55 pm »

It does sound like an online version of bridge commander...
Take it how you will...

I for one don't want SFC series to develope into a 3D-fighter combat game, I love the 2D feel.

However I would love to play something you described (be it trek themed or not). As long as it isn't another free-ride on the SFC series' name.

Meanwhile, has any of you tried to play Freelancer online?

DH123 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 23, 2003, 08:56:20 pm »

Kinda off topic, but i think the greates MMORPG would be a game based on the Jedi Academy engine for personal contact and X-Wing alliance for ship to ship.

For "Trek," I feel a game either needs to stick with an SFB engine or totally abandon it for somthing that is as close to Trek Cannon as possible.

Biggest thing, a Starship should NOT steer like a fighter plane.

SBOAdam · « **Reply #55 on:** November 24, 2003, 05:48:42 pm »

I have often thought the same things when i dreamed of an awsume trek game. just think from the moment you slowly pull your ship out of space dock to the time when you get multiple hails from different sectors requesting "all nearby federation vessels we need your help, we are under attack" to the reports that a masive klingon fleet has been spotted grouping in the nuetral zone. Just think cloaks that actually allowed you to bypass enemy ships and strike into the heart of the enemy, having to actually take the time to warp accross the "map" some one is being attacked in sector 0,0 and you are in sectore 20,0. so you engage maximum warp (i would love for the warp drive to actually have the different levels so different ships can have higher warp levels) and head to sector 0,0 only since this is real time it will take you lets say a min a sector to traverse (at warp nine) will take you 20 min to reach the battle. hopefully you will arive to help not to watch the explosion.

if a game even remotly comes out like tis you can bet big bucks that i would buy it.

SSCF_LeRoy · « **Reply #56 on:** November 24, 2003, 09:32:27 pm »

Would it be practical to make such a game even closer to Starfleet Battles? I've never played the game, but I've read and heard much about it and it seems that Starfleet Battles has alot in it that's not Starfleet Command; stuff that I would like to see in a computer game. Things like the Andromadans and their exotic technology, the Tholians, and all the other races and technology that weren't included in SFC.

NannerSlug · « **Reply #58 on:** November 25, 2003, 12:38:55 am »

wheres the dead horse icon around here?

we know you would make it based on sfb, but guess what, not all of us would.

i am loving every minute of my mod.

its missile (drone) free, its fighter free.. just ship to ship combat. no #@%@# range breaks.. true cloak.. the ships are built very close to cannon but reflect the sfc2 feel - and yes- i used rough formulas to develop the ships, weapons and hit points based on sfc2 - but guess what, its not!

i know hell will freeze over first, but next time my build comes out, i would challenge you to try my mod.

some of us are trek fans first and foremost - and want a game true to trek.. that means no general war.. although you could work some of the races in from sfc2 without mentioning it (ala rat boy)

you can use elements and create somthing decent. i once started to believe what dh said - but with my mod, i think its a lot closer than you think.

some othe elements i know i want to see is exploration.. getting into the unknown - sorta like a nwn server except with ships and crew.

btw, in my mind, andros and all the other races are WAAAAAY over rated compared to what could be done with the dominion axis and borg.

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Jaeih t`Radaik

Raniz Murjuri

Mr_six

NannerSlug

NightStalker-SFC3

AdmiralFrey_XC

Caseck

NightStalker-SFC3

NightStalker-SFC3

DH123

Raniz Murjuri

3dot14

DH123

NightStalker-SFC3

Raniz Murjuri

SBOAdam

SSCF_LeRoy

Mr. Hypergol

NannerSlug

Raniz Murjuri

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