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Taldren_Erin

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New species of whale found off Japan
« on: November 19, 2003, 07:13:27 pm »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3284843.stm
Whale species is new to science
 
The Tsunoshima specimen was accidentally killed by fishermen
A previously unidentified species of whale has been recorded by researchers.
The creature is a close cousin of the blue whale and has been given the formal scientific name Balaenoptera omurai, reports the journal Nature.

Its Japanese discoverers say the 12-metre-long animal's DNA and anatomical features mark it apart from other whales that use combs to trap food.

Commentators believe the new finding may complicate the debate over whether commercial whaling should be resumed.

It was likely to delay any return to the regular harpooning of certain whale species, they told the BBC.

Food trap
The new discovery was made by a team led by Shiro Wada of the National Research Institute of Fisheries Science in Yokohama.

They examined the DNA of a number of individual whales belonging to the species known as Bryde's whale, also called Eden's whale.

There has been debate for many years over whether this species has the correct taxonomic classification.

"The classification of these whales has been confusing because Bryde's whale has often been confused with Eden's, and we didn't know whether it's one species or two," Dr Wada told the BBC.

His team now argues that in fact there are three separate species - Bryde's, Eden's - and a new whale species, omurai.

All are so-called baleen whales - also called rorquals - which use a comb, or baleen, to trap their food, such as krill.

Controversial 'science'
If the team's assessment is accepted by the international scientific community, it will at a stroke increase the number of known living baleen species from six to eight.

At-a-glance
The other five are the blue whale, which is the world's largest mammal; the humpback whale, fin whale, sei whale and minke whale.

The new findings are based on the study of a dead whale that was washed on to the shore of the Japanese island Tsunoshima in 1998, and several other specimens caught 30 years ago by the often-criticised Japanese scientific whaling programme.

"Without that programme, we would not have made this discovery," Dr Wada stressed.

He said the separate species classification for B. omurai was attributed to its distinct DNA profile, its cranial structure and, in particular, the mammal's smaller number of baleen plates.

Big finding
Commenting on the discovery, Professor Bo Fernholm, from the Swedish Museum of Natural History in Stockholm, and a former chair of the International Whaling Commission, said the evidence was "quite convincing".

He also said the research could impact the debate over whether countries such as Japan, Norway and Iceland are allowed to resume commercial hunting of whales.

"This is important because the Japanese want to hunt Bryde's whales.

"The situation then becomes more complex if Bryde's whale is in fact three species."

Estimates of the number of the Earth's species yet to be discovered vary wildly but all are high - perhaps even more than 100 million.

These are thought to be mainly fish, fungi, microbes and insects - on the whole very small organisms.

The identification of a new mammal species is a rarity, especially one as big as a whale.

 
 

S'Raek

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2003, 06:26:21 am »
We think we know so much, but we really have very little idea of what is going on around us.    

vsfedwards

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2003, 07:48:04 am »
Especially when we "accidently" kill a whale

GE-Raven

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2003, 08:26:31 am »
They forgot to mention that it was delicious, and is now going for $200 a lb. in Japan.



GE-Raven
 

thefish

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2003, 01:12:10 pm »
sigh cant people learn from their past mistakes??? yes whaling brought several species to the brink of extinction yet they want to start whaling again.......sigh didnt anyone watch startrek 4??

Dogmatix!

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2003, 02:41:56 pm »
Quote:

sigh cant people learn from their past mistakes??? yes whaling brought several species to the brink of extinction yet they want to start whaling again.......sigh didnt anyone watch startrek 4??  





I saw ST:IV  and as a result, I am very much against whaling!  


 
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by Dogmatix! »

SL-Punisher

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2003, 03:50:09 pm »
You know I'd love to just once have one of our submarines put a torpedo in one of those Japanese whailing ships.  

Taldren_Erin

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2003, 03:57:12 pm »

Rat_Boy

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2003, 04:04:19 pm »
Quote:

New species of whale found off Japan




Which is now being served at your local sushi restaurants.

Mackie

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2003, 04:04:32 pm »
another new animal to eat.  

Sethan

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2003, 04:14:08 pm »
Quote:

Mm. But sometimes, the whale gets even. =)

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/ships/html/sh_032500_essex.htm  




I'd never want to see someone hurt while hunting for food - but when people hunt for sport or profit, it is always nice when the animal has a sporting chance - sporting enough that they can 'win' sometimes.

You want to go hunt bear?  Do it with a knife and you'll have my respect.

Taldren_Erin

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2003, 04:17:18 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

New species of whale found off Japan




Which is now being served at your local sushi restaurants.  




You know, I'm curious as to what they're doing with all of these whales. It isn't sushi. Predator mammals typically taste very bad. I know there are a ton of uses for whale blubber (lipstick, ice cream, etc), but since so many other countries have figured out ways NOT to use it I wonder what they're after, since whaling is not exactly the safest "sport" around. I suppose it could be some kind of delicacy, but it's not one that I'm familiar with. Anyone more educated on this care to clue me in? (Normally I'd look it up, but it's busy around here.)  

Taldren_Erin

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New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2003, 07:13:27 pm »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3284843.stm
Whale species is new to science
 
The Tsunoshima specimen was accidentally killed by fishermen
A previously unidentified species of whale has been recorded by researchers.
The creature is a close cousin of the blue whale and has been given the formal scientific name Balaenoptera omurai, reports the journal Nature.

Its Japanese discoverers say the 12-metre-long animal's DNA and anatomical features mark it apart from other whales that use combs to trap food.

Commentators believe the new finding may complicate the debate over whether commercial whaling should be resumed.

It was likely to delay any return to the regular harpooning of certain whale species, they told the BBC.

Food trap
The new discovery was made by a team led by Shiro Wada of the National Research Institute of Fisheries Science in Yokohama.

They examined the DNA of a number of individual whales belonging to the species known as Bryde's whale, also called Eden's whale.

There has been debate for many years over whether this species has the correct taxonomic classification.

"The classification of these whales has been confusing because Bryde's whale has often been confused with Eden's, and we didn't know whether it's one species or two," Dr Wada told the BBC.

His team now argues that in fact there are three separate species - Bryde's, Eden's - and a new whale species, omurai.

All are so-called baleen whales - also called rorquals - which use a comb, or baleen, to trap their food, such as krill.

Controversial 'science'
If the team's assessment is accepted by the international scientific community, it will at a stroke increase the number of known living baleen species from six to eight.

At-a-glance
The other five are the blue whale, which is the world's largest mammal; the humpback whale, fin whale, sei whale and minke whale.

The new findings are based on the study of a dead whale that was washed on to the shore of the Japanese island Tsunoshima in 1998, and several other specimens caught 30 years ago by the often-criticised Japanese scientific whaling programme.

"Without that programme, we would not have made this discovery," Dr Wada stressed.

He said the separate species classification for B. omurai was attributed to its distinct DNA profile, its cranial structure and, in particular, the mammal's smaller number of baleen plates.

Big finding
Commenting on the discovery, Professor Bo Fernholm, from the Swedish Museum of Natural History in Stockholm, and a former chair of the International Whaling Commission, said the evidence was "quite convincing".

He also said the research could impact the debate over whether countries such as Japan, Norway and Iceland are allowed to resume commercial hunting of whales.

"This is important because the Japanese want to hunt Bryde's whales.

"The situation then becomes more complex if Bryde's whale is in fact three species."

Estimates of the number of the Earth's species yet to be discovered vary wildly but all are high - perhaps even more than 100 million.

These are thought to be mainly fish, fungi, microbes and insects - on the whole very small organisms.

The identification of a new mammal species is a rarity, especially one as big as a whale.

 
 

S'Raek

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2003, 06:26:21 am »
We think we know so much, but we really have very little idea of what is going on around us.    

vsfedwards

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2003, 07:48:04 am »
Especially when we "accidently" kill a whale

GE-Raven

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2003, 08:26:31 am »
They forgot to mention that it was delicious, and is now going for $200 a lb. in Japan.



GE-Raven
 

thefish

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2003, 01:12:10 pm »
sigh cant people learn from their past mistakes??? yes whaling brought several species to the brink of extinction yet they want to start whaling again.......sigh didnt anyone watch startrek 4??

Dogmatix!

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2003, 02:41:56 pm »
Quote:

sigh cant people learn from their past mistakes??? yes whaling brought several species to the brink of extinction yet they want to start whaling again.......sigh didnt anyone watch startrek 4??  





I saw ST:IV  and as a result, I am very much against whaling!  


 
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by Dogmatix! »

SL-Punisher

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2003, 03:50:09 pm »
You know I'd love to just once have one of our submarines put a torpedo in one of those Japanese whailing ships.  

Taldren_Erin

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2003, 03:57:12 pm »

Rat_Boy

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2003, 04:04:19 pm »
Quote:

New species of whale found off Japan




Which is now being served at your local sushi restaurants.

Mackie

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2003, 04:04:32 pm »
another new animal to eat.  

Sethan

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2003, 04:14:08 pm »
Quote:

Mm. But sometimes, the whale gets even. =)

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/ships/html/sh_032500_essex.htm  




I'd never want to see someone hurt while hunting for food - but when people hunt for sport or profit, it is always nice when the animal has a sporting chance - sporting enough that they can 'win' sometimes.

You want to go hunt bear?  Do it with a knife and you'll have my respect.

Taldren_Erin

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2003, 04:17:18 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

New species of whale found off Japan




Which is now being served at your local sushi restaurants.  




You know, I'm curious as to what they're doing with all of these whales. It isn't sushi. Predator mammals typically taste very bad. I know there are a ton of uses for whale blubber (lipstick, ice cream, etc), but since so many other countries have figured out ways NOT to use it I wonder what they're after, since whaling is not exactly the safest "sport" around. I suppose it could be some kind of delicacy, but it's not one that I'm familiar with. Anyone more educated on this care to clue me in? (Normally I'd look it up, but it's busy around here.)  

Taldren_Erin

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New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2003, 07:13:27 pm »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3284843.stm
Whale species is new to science
 
The Tsunoshima specimen was accidentally killed by fishermen
A previously unidentified species of whale has been recorded by researchers.
The creature is a close cousin of the blue whale and has been given the formal scientific name Balaenoptera omurai, reports the journal Nature.

Its Japanese discoverers say the 12-metre-long animal's DNA and anatomical features mark it apart from other whales that use combs to trap food.

Commentators believe the new finding may complicate the debate over whether commercial whaling should be resumed.

It was likely to delay any return to the regular harpooning of certain whale species, they told the BBC.

Food trap
The new discovery was made by a team led by Shiro Wada of the National Research Institute of Fisheries Science in Yokohama.

They examined the DNA of a number of individual whales belonging to the species known as Bryde's whale, also called Eden's whale.

There has been debate for many years over whether this species has the correct taxonomic classification.

"The classification of these whales has been confusing because Bryde's whale has often been confused with Eden's, and we didn't know whether it's one species or two," Dr Wada told the BBC.

His team now argues that in fact there are three separate species - Bryde's, Eden's - and a new whale species, omurai.

All are so-called baleen whales - also called rorquals - which use a comb, or baleen, to trap their food, such as krill.

Controversial 'science'
If the team's assessment is accepted by the international scientific community, it will at a stroke increase the number of known living baleen species from six to eight.

At-a-glance
The other five are the blue whale, which is the world's largest mammal; the humpback whale, fin whale, sei whale and minke whale.

The new findings are based on the study of a dead whale that was washed on to the shore of the Japanese island Tsunoshima in 1998, and several other specimens caught 30 years ago by the often-criticised Japanese scientific whaling programme.

"Without that programme, we would not have made this discovery," Dr Wada stressed.

He said the separate species classification for B. omurai was attributed to its distinct DNA profile, its cranial structure and, in particular, the mammal's smaller number of baleen plates.

Big finding
Commenting on the discovery, Professor Bo Fernholm, from the Swedish Museum of Natural History in Stockholm, and a former chair of the International Whaling Commission, said the evidence was "quite convincing".

He also said the research could impact the debate over whether countries such as Japan, Norway and Iceland are allowed to resume commercial hunting of whales.

"This is important because the Japanese want to hunt Bryde's whales.

"The situation then becomes more complex if Bryde's whale is in fact three species."

Estimates of the number of the Earth's species yet to be discovered vary wildly but all are high - perhaps even more than 100 million.

These are thought to be mainly fish, fungi, microbes and insects - on the whole very small organisms.

The identification of a new mammal species is a rarity, especially one as big as a whale.

 
 

S'Raek

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2003, 06:26:21 am »
We think we know so much, but we really have very little idea of what is going on around us.    

vsfedwards

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2003, 07:48:04 am »
Especially when we "accidently" kill a whale

GE-Raven

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2003, 08:26:31 am »
They forgot to mention that it was delicious, and is now going for $200 a lb. in Japan.



GE-Raven
 

thefish

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2003, 01:12:10 pm »
sigh cant people learn from their past mistakes??? yes whaling brought several species to the brink of extinction yet they want to start whaling again.......sigh didnt anyone watch startrek 4??

Dogmatix!

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2003, 02:41:56 pm »
Quote:

sigh cant people learn from their past mistakes??? yes whaling brought several species to the brink of extinction yet they want to start whaling again.......sigh didnt anyone watch startrek 4??  





I saw ST:IV  and as a result, I am very much against whaling!  


 
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 pm by Dogmatix! »

SL-Punisher

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2003, 03:50:09 pm »
You know I'd love to just once have one of our submarines put a torpedo in one of those Japanese whailing ships.  

Taldren_Erin

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2003, 03:57:12 pm »

Rat_Boy

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2003, 04:04:19 pm »
Quote:

New species of whale found off Japan




Which is now being served at your local sushi restaurants.

Mackie

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2003, 04:04:32 pm »
another new animal to eat.  

Sethan

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2003, 04:14:08 pm »
Quote:

Mm. But sometimes, the whale gets even. =)

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/ships/html/sh_032500_essex.htm  




I'd never want to see someone hurt while hunting for food - but when people hunt for sport or profit, it is always nice when the animal has a sporting chance - sporting enough that they can 'win' sometimes.

You want to go hunt bear?  Do it with a knife and you'll have my respect.

Taldren_Erin

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Re: New species of whale found off Japan
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2003, 04:17:18 pm »
Quote:

Quote:

New species of whale found off Japan




Which is now being served at your local sushi restaurants.  




You know, I'm curious as to what they're doing with all of these whales. It isn't sushi. Predator mammals typically taste very bad. I know there are a ton of uses for whale blubber (lipstick, ice cream, etc), but since so many other countries have figured out ways NOT to use it I wonder what they're after, since whaling is not exactly the safest "sport" around. I suppose it could be some kind of delicacy, but it's not one that I'm familiar with. Anyone more educated on this care to clue me in? (Normally I'd look it up, but it's busy around here.)