Topic: This day in History: November 17, 1941

[Rat_Boy]

From the History Channel

Quote:
1941 Joseph Grew Predicts Pearl Harbor Attack
On this day, Joseph C. Grew cabled the U.S. State Department that he had heard that Japan had "planned, in the event of trouble with the United States, to attempt a surprise mass attack at Pearl Harbor." His warning was ignored by the Office of Naval Intelligence. Grew had been a U.S. diplomat since the early 1900s and was appointed ambassador to Japan by President Hoover in 1932. His diplomatic relations with Japan were cordial until the late 1930s, when Japanese expansionism became openly aggressive toward Asian neighbors like China. The U.S. increased economic pressures on Japan until, in late1939, Grew predicted that the situation would soon come to a head. He told Roosevelt in October 1939 that "if we start sanctions against Japan we must see them through to the end, and the end may conceivably be war." And right he was. After the Pearl Harbor attack he had predicted occurred on December 7, 1941, Grew was interned in Japan. When he was finally returned to the U.S. in the summer of 1942, he immediately began writing and lecturing against the popular belief that America, after defeating Germany, would instantly crush the Japanese. He explained that despite their admiration for American technology and resources, the Japanese felt superior to Americans as human beings and were wholly convinced they would win the war.

How prophetic.

[762]

I often wonder if, had we prepared in time for Pearl Harbor and defeated the Japanese attack (or took only minimal damage), how much less support the war would have had on the home front, and if it would have been conducted any differently (at least in the Pacific).

Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

[Uss_Defiant]

Quote:
I often wonder if, had we prepared in time for Pearl Harbor and defeated the Japanese attack (or took only minimal damage), how much less support the war would have had on the home front, and if it would have been conducted any differently (at least in the Pacific).

Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.  

[762]

Yeah, kind of a letdown.

We did get to see an F14 vs Zero dogfight though, if you could call it that.  

[Death_Merchant]

Quote:

Quote:


Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.    

What?
1) Timeline remains unchanged. Kirk remains #1 in temporal violations. "The man's a menace."
2) Cmd. Tucker gets the smart-hot chick.
3) They make a bazzilion dollars from his knowledge of what's to come
4) They get their dog back!

Bitch'in movie!    

[762]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:


Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.    

What?
1) Timeline remains unchanged. Kirk remains #1 in temporal violations. "The man's a menace."
2) Cmd. Tucker gets the smart-hot chick.
3) They make a bazzilion dollars from his knowledge of what's to come
4) They get their dog back!

Bitch'in movie!    

You forgot one:

5) Super-annoying Charles Durning gets blown up!

[Rat_Boy]

From the History Channel

Quote:
1941 Joseph Grew Predicts Pearl Harbor Attack
On this day, Joseph C. Grew cabled the U.S. State Department that he had heard that Japan had "planned, in the event of trouble with the United States, to attempt a surprise mass attack at Pearl Harbor." His warning was ignored by the Office of Naval Intelligence. Grew had been a U.S. diplomat since the early 1900s and was appointed ambassador to Japan by President Hoover in 1932. His diplomatic relations with Japan were cordial until the late 1930s, when Japanese expansionism became openly aggressive toward Asian neighbors like China. The U.S. increased economic pressures on Japan until, in late1939, Grew predicted that the situation would soon come to a head. He told Roosevelt in October 1939 that "if we start sanctions against Japan we must see them through to the end, and the end may conceivably be war." And right he was. After the Pearl Harbor attack he had predicted occurred on December 7, 1941, Grew was interned in Japan. When he was finally returned to the U.S. in the summer of 1942, he immediately began writing and lecturing against the popular belief that America, after defeating Germany, would instantly crush the Japanese. He explained that despite their admiration for American technology and resources, the Japanese felt superior to Americans as human beings and were wholly convinced they would win the war.

How prophetic.

[762]

I often wonder if, had we prepared in time for Pearl Harbor and defeated the Japanese attack (or took only minimal damage), how much less support the war would have had on the home front, and if it would have been conducted any differently (at least in the Pacific).

Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

[Uss_Defiant]

Quote:
I often wonder if, had we prepared in time for Pearl Harbor and defeated the Japanese attack (or took only minimal damage), how much less support the war would have had on the home front, and if it would have been conducted any differently (at least in the Pacific).

Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.  

[762]

Yeah, kind of a letdown.

We did get to see an F14 vs Zero dogfight though, if you could call it that.  

[Death_Merchant]

Quote:

Quote:


Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.    

What?
1) Timeline remains unchanged. Kirk remains #1 in temporal violations. "The man's a menace."
2) Cmd. Tucker gets the smart-hot chick.
3) They make a bazzilion dollars from his knowledge of what's to come
4) They get their dog back!

Bitch'in movie!    

[762]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:


Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.    

What?
1) Timeline remains unchanged. Kirk remains #1 in temporal violations. "The man's a menace."
2) Cmd. Tucker gets the smart-hot chick.
3) They make a bazzilion dollars from his knowledge of what's to come
4) They get their dog back!

Bitch'in movie!    

You forgot one:

5) Super-annoying Charles Durning gets blown up!

[Rat_Boy]

From the History Channel

Quote:
1941 Joseph Grew Predicts Pearl Harbor Attack
On this day, Joseph C. Grew cabled the U.S. State Department that he had heard that Japan had "planned, in the event of trouble with the United States, to attempt a surprise mass attack at Pearl Harbor." His warning was ignored by the Office of Naval Intelligence. Grew had been a U.S. diplomat since the early 1900s and was appointed ambassador to Japan by President Hoover in 1932. His diplomatic relations with Japan were cordial until the late 1930s, when Japanese expansionism became openly aggressive toward Asian neighbors like China. The U.S. increased economic pressures on Japan until, in late1939, Grew predicted that the situation would soon come to a head. He told Roosevelt in October 1939 that "if we start sanctions against Japan we must see them through to the end, and the end may conceivably be war." And right he was. After the Pearl Harbor attack he had predicted occurred on December 7, 1941, Grew was interned in Japan. When he was finally returned to the U.S. in the summer of 1942, he immediately began writing and lecturing against the popular belief that America, after defeating Germany, would instantly crush the Japanese. He explained that despite their admiration for American technology and resources, the Japanese felt superior to Americans as human beings and were wholly convinced they would win the war.

How prophetic.

[762]

I often wonder if, had we prepared in time for Pearl Harbor and defeated the Japanese attack (or took only minimal damage), how much less support the war would have had on the home front, and if it would have been conducted any differently (at least in the Pacific).

Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

[Uss_Defiant]

Quote:
I often wonder if, had we prepared in time for Pearl Harbor and defeated the Japanese attack (or took only minimal damage), how much less support the war would have had on the home front, and if it would have been conducted any differently (at least in the Pacific).

Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.  

[762]

Yeah, kind of a letdown.

We did get to see an F14 vs Zero dogfight though, if you could call it that.  

[Death_Merchant]

Quote:

Quote:


Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.    

What?
1) Timeline remains unchanged. Kirk remains #1 in temporal violations. "The man's a menace."
2) Cmd. Tucker gets the smart-hot chick.
3) They make a bazzilion dollars from his knowledge of what's to come
4) They get their dog back!

Bitch'in movie!    

[762]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:


Anybody ever see  The Final Countdown?  

I think almost all of us have....
Its a great movie.. although the ending is extriemly dissapointing.    

What?
1) Timeline remains unchanged. Kirk remains #1 in temporal violations. "The man's a menace."
2) Cmd. Tucker gets the smart-hot chick.
3) They make a bazzilion dollars from his knowledge of what's to come
4) They get their dog back!

Bitch'in movie!    

You forgot one:

5) Super-annoying Charles Durning gets blown up!