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Toasty0

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This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« on: November 12, 2003, 09:02:46 pm »
Gota do the link thing--way too much info to copy&paste.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/roadmap.aspx

Best,
Jerry  

Malystryx_XC

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2003, 10:43:06 am »
Hey Toasty, good find!  I noticed this yesterday myself and couldn't believe it.  Microsoft seems to be completely changing the way they are handling their development environments.  Before .Net 2002 was released, a developer would usually have a 2 - 3 year wait in between new releases.  (Visual Studio 4 to Visual Studio 5 and Visual Studio 5 to Visual Studio 6 for example).

Now beginning with last years release of .Net 2002, they seem to be releasing a new "upgraded" environment package each year.  Unless they do something about the pricing situation, I'm not sure yet if this is a good move or not.  I just upgraded this year from Visual Studio 6 to .Net 2003 Enterprise and it cost me around $1,400!  I don't think many people will want to shell out $1,400 ever year just to stay on top of the latest development features.  I know there is "upgrade" version pricing but it's still dang expensive.

Maybe we'll be lucky and Microsoft will offer an uber special price like they did with registered .Net 2002 users upgrading to 2003.  If you took advantage of it during it's limited offer time you could have gotten the upgrade for $30 dollars.

In any case, the new features planned look pretty darn interesting.  Of course I'm still trying to figure out how to effectively use VB .Net.  Most of my VB 6 knowledge is useless under the .Net environment and so I'm forced to approach it as if it were a completely new language.  Ugh...

Malys

Toasty0

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2003, 03:27:18 pm »
I've heard that is a common complaint amongst VB coders. I've taken up C# because it is closer to C++ which is a language I'd also like to master (as if anyone ever really masters C++). I also like the clearity and sparcer(sp) syntax of C# while working with ASP.NET.

Plus, and this is really siilly, but I can't help but chuckle every time I read code like this:

Private Shared Function socketSendReceive(server As String, port As Integer) As String
      'Set up variables and String to write to the server.
      Dim ASCII As Encoding = Encoding.ASCII
      Dim [Get] As String = "GET / HTTP/1.1" + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + "Host: " + server + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + "Connection: Close" + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf
      Dim ByteGet As [Byte]() = ASCII.GetBytes([Get])
      Dim RecvBytes(255) As [Byte]
      Dim strRetPage As [String] = Nothing
     
      ' Create a socket connection with the specified server and port.
      Dim s As Socket = connectSocket(server, port)
     
      If s Is Nothing Then
         Return "Connection failed"
      End If
      ' Send request to the server.
      s.Send(ByteGet, ByteGet.Length, 0)
     
     
      ' Receive the server  home page content.
      Dim bytes As Int32 = s.Receive(RecvBytes, RecvBytes.Length, 0)


I always wanna ask, "Just how Dim is you code?"

I know that's unfair, but none the less it's what happens.

Btw, while I'm smearing your choice of coding languages  , have you given any thought to instead of "relearning" VB.NET going instead with C#?  Or is VB.NET you're stuck with because of workplace requirements?

Best,
Jerry  
« Last Edit: November 17, 2003, 07:24:53 am by Toasty0 »

Malystryx_XC

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2003, 06:31:12 pm »
Hehe... I actually thought the same thing when I first started learning VB.  "What the heck does Dim mean??"  I kept associating it in my head with dimming light bulbs or dim wits, etc.  I'm so used to it now that it's just a good ol' comforting variable declaration statement to me now.

I kind of chose to learn VB for a couple of reasons.  Years ago when I was first hired as a programmer (with absolutely no prior experience), the language my company was using was called Powerbuilder.  I worked with that environment for about 2 years before I found myself kind of liking programming work.  About that time Visual Studio 6 was just being released by Microsoft and I had an interest in learning C++ for eventual game development.  I was so excited at the prospect of really doing something "cool" with programming that I ordered the Visual Studio 6 Enterprise which came with not only VC++ but VB and J++ as well.  I thought... "Great!  Now I can really dig into learning new stuff!!".  Well needless to say, once I actually received the product my fascination faded and it ended up sitting on my shelf for another year and a half or so.

Occassionally I would run the IDE and browse around the features and look at the different languages but I never really accomplished anything.  I did note however that VB sure looked and worked pretty similar to what I was already familiar with, Powerbuilder.  My interest started to rekindle as I realized that I might be able to use Visual Basic to start doing to home programming work right away instead of having to learn C++ from the ground up.  So I began to tinker with Visual Basic 6 and found that it was a pretty advanced (for the time) language and the Visual Studio development environment as a whole worked a lot better than Powerbuilder 5.

The more I messed with it casually, the more I began to learn things such as what "Dim" meant and how to navigate the IDE and what features did what functions.  I even started learning how the code structure actually worked such as subroutines, functions, classes, etc.  Well if this wasn't a foreshadow for things to come... 4 years after I started at my old company as a Powerbuilder programmer and less than 6 months after I started to seriously dink around with VB 6, I get a new job as an I.T. Manager for a company who uses TWO in house applications built in VB 6!  If I hadn't started to figure out how Visual Basic worked six months earlier I probably wouldn't have gotten the job.

Working for the new company was terrific!  However, I had been put into an environment where I had to seriously pick up learning Visual Basic as fast as possible to continue the company's development in their core applications.  I was a little unsure of myself at first but as time passed I became pretty good at the programming work and found myself able to fly around VB 6 and do all of the tasks my company required and even innovate new ideas for them.

It wasn't until this past summer when Microsoft released Visual Studio .Net 2003 that I finally made the decision that I wanted to specialize my broad range of I.T. skills into programming.  Since I was so familiar with VB 6, I thought it would be a breeze to pick up .Net 2003 and start using the latest technologies in VB.  Hehe... that didn't work out as I had planned.

Although I really like using VB .Net, I'm still figuring out how to do even simple things some times.  But I guess I'm having fun doing it and I figured what better way to learn it than to jump right in and try to swim.  I'm in the process of trying to rebuild from scratch my company's main applications over to .Net.  Let me tell you... the integrated MSDN help is a constant companion for me, heh.

I still want to learn C# someday, but I've decided to get really good at VB .Net first since that directly effects my career and future ambitions as a contract programmer.

Malys  

Toasty0

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2003, 07:26:24 am »
Maly,

I thinkn you might get a kick out of this. lblREAD.TEXT="Enjoy";

http://www16.brinkster.com/messydesk/db/refactvb.asp

Best,
Jerry  

Malystryx_XC

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2003, 11:02:28 am »
Ahhahahaha...  I'm at work and almost busted up laughing out loud when I saw that!

Hehe... that's pretty darn funny!  Are you subtly hinting that I need to "Rethinkify" my use of VB?  Hmmm... maybe I should ask the "Don Box" for help on what I should do...

Definately a good one!  

Toasty0

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This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2003, 09:02:46 pm »
Gota do the link thing--way too much info to copy&paste.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/roadmap.aspx

Best,
Jerry  

Malystryx_XC

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2003, 10:43:06 am »
Hey Toasty, good find!  I noticed this yesterday myself and couldn't believe it.  Microsoft seems to be completely changing the way they are handling their development environments.  Before .Net 2002 was released, a developer would usually have a 2 - 3 year wait in between new releases.  (Visual Studio 4 to Visual Studio 5 and Visual Studio 5 to Visual Studio 6 for example).

Now beginning with last years release of .Net 2002, they seem to be releasing a new "upgraded" environment package each year.  Unless they do something about the pricing situation, I'm not sure yet if this is a good move or not.  I just upgraded this year from Visual Studio 6 to .Net 2003 Enterprise and it cost me around $1,400!  I don't think many people will want to shell out $1,400 ever year just to stay on top of the latest development features.  I know there is "upgrade" version pricing but it's still dang expensive.

Maybe we'll be lucky and Microsoft will offer an uber special price like they did with registered .Net 2002 users upgrading to 2003.  If you took advantage of it during it's limited offer time you could have gotten the upgrade for $30 dollars.

In any case, the new features planned look pretty darn interesting.  Of course I'm still trying to figure out how to effectively use VB .Net.  Most of my VB 6 knowledge is useless under the .Net environment and so I'm forced to approach it as if it were a completely new language.  Ugh...

Malys

Toasty0

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2003, 03:27:18 pm »
I've heard that is a common complaint amongst VB coders. I've taken up C# because it is closer to C++ which is a language I'd also like to master (as if anyone ever really masters C++). I also like the clearity and sparcer(sp) syntax of C# while working with ASP.NET.

Plus, and this is really siilly, but I can't help but chuckle every time I read code like this:

Private Shared Function socketSendReceive(server As String, port As Integer) As String
      'Set up variables and String to write to the server.
      Dim ASCII As Encoding = Encoding.ASCII
      Dim [Get] As String = "GET / HTTP/1.1" + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + "Host: " + server + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + "Connection: Close" + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf
      Dim ByteGet As [Byte]() = ASCII.GetBytes([Get])
      Dim RecvBytes(255) As [Byte]
      Dim strRetPage As [String] = Nothing
     
      ' Create a socket connection with the specified server and port.
      Dim s As Socket = connectSocket(server, port)
     
      If s Is Nothing Then
         Return "Connection failed"
      End If
      ' Send request to the server.
      s.Send(ByteGet, ByteGet.Length, 0)
     
     
      ' Receive the server  home page content.
      Dim bytes As Int32 = s.Receive(RecvBytes, RecvBytes.Length, 0)


I always wanna ask, "Just how Dim is you code?"

I know that's unfair, but none the less it's what happens.

Btw, while I'm smearing your choice of coding languages  , have you given any thought to instead of "relearning" VB.NET going instead with C#?  Or is VB.NET you're stuck with because of workplace requirements?

Best,
Jerry  
« Last Edit: November 17, 2003, 07:24:53 am by Toasty0 »

Malystryx_XC

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2003, 06:31:12 pm »
Hehe... I actually thought the same thing when I first started learning VB.  "What the heck does Dim mean??"  I kept associating it in my head with dimming light bulbs or dim wits, etc.  I'm so used to it now that it's just a good ol' comforting variable declaration statement to me now.

I kind of chose to learn VB for a couple of reasons.  Years ago when I was first hired as a programmer (with absolutely no prior experience), the language my company was using was called Powerbuilder.  I worked with that environment for about 2 years before I found myself kind of liking programming work.  About that time Visual Studio 6 was just being released by Microsoft and I had an interest in learning C++ for eventual game development.  I was so excited at the prospect of really doing something "cool" with programming that I ordered the Visual Studio 6 Enterprise which came with not only VC++ but VB and J++ as well.  I thought... "Great!  Now I can really dig into learning new stuff!!".  Well needless to say, once I actually received the product my fascination faded and it ended up sitting on my shelf for another year and a half or so.

Occassionally I would run the IDE and browse around the features and look at the different languages but I never really accomplished anything.  I did note however that VB sure looked and worked pretty similar to what I was already familiar with, Powerbuilder.  My interest started to rekindle as I realized that I might be able to use Visual Basic to start doing to home programming work right away instead of having to learn C++ from the ground up.  So I began to tinker with Visual Basic 6 and found that it was a pretty advanced (for the time) language and the Visual Studio development environment as a whole worked a lot better than Powerbuilder 5.

The more I messed with it casually, the more I began to learn things such as what "Dim" meant and how to navigate the IDE and what features did what functions.  I even started learning how the code structure actually worked such as subroutines, functions, classes, etc.  Well if this wasn't a foreshadow for things to come... 4 years after I started at my old company as a Powerbuilder programmer and less than 6 months after I started to seriously dink around with VB 6, I get a new job as an I.T. Manager for a company who uses TWO in house applications built in VB 6!  If I hadn't started to figure out how Visual Basic worked six months earlier I probably wouldn't have gotten the job.

Working for the new company was terrific!  However, I had been put into an environment where I had to seriously pick up learning Visual Basic as fast as possible to continue the company's development in their core applications.  I was a little unsure of myself at first but as time passed I became pretty good at the programming work and found myself able to fly around VB 6 and do all of the tasks my company required and even innovate new ideas for them.

It wasn't until this past summer when Microsoft released Visual Studio .Net 2003 that I finally made the decision that I wanted to specialize my broad range of I.T. skills into programming.  Since I was so familiar with VB 6, I thought it would be a breeze to pick up .Net 2003 and start using the latest technologies in VB.  Hehe... that didn't work out as I had planned.

Although I really like using VB .Net, I'm still figuring out how to do even simple things some times.  But I guess I'm having fun doing it and I figured what better way to learn it than to jump right in and try to swim.  I'm in the process of trying to rebuild from scratch my company's main applications over to .Net.  Let me tell you... the integrated MSDN help is a constant companion for me, heh.

I still want to learn C# someday, but I've decided to get really good at VB .Net first since that directly effects my career and future ambitions as a contract programmer.

Malys  

Toasty0

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2003, 07:26:24 am »
Maly,

I thinkn you might get a kick out of this. lblREAD.TEXT="Enjoy";

http://www16.brinkster.com/messydesk/db/refactvb.asp

Best,
Jerry  

Malystryx_XC

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2003, 11:02:28 am »
Ahhahahaha...  I'm at work and almost busted up laughing out loud when I saw that!

Hehe... that's pretty darn funny!  Are you subtly hinting that I need to "Rethinkify" my use of VB?  Hmmm... maybe I should ask the "Don Box" for help on what I should do...

Definately a good one!  

Toasty0

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This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2003, 09:02:46 pm »
Gota do the link thing--way too much info to copy&paste.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/roadmap.aspx

Best,
Jerry  

Malystryx_XC

  • Guest
Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2003, 10:43:06 am »
Hey Toasty, good find!  I noticed this yesterday myself and couldn't believe it.  Microsoft seems to be completely changing the way they are handling their development environments.  Before .Net 2002 was released, a developer would usually have a 2 - 3 year wait in between new releases.  (Visual Studio 4 to Visual Studio 5 and Visual Studio 5 to Visual Studio 6 for example).

Now beginning with last years release of .Net 2002, they seem to be releasing a new "upgraded" environment package each year.  Unless they do something about the pricing situation, I'm not sure yet if this is a good move or not.  I just upgraded this year from Visual Studio 6 to .Net 2003 Enterprise and it cost me around $1,400!  I don't think many people will want to shell out $1,400 ever year just to stay on top of the latest development features.  I know there is "upgrade" version pricing but it's still dang expensive.

Maybe we'll be lucky and Microsoft will offer an uber special price like they did with registered .Net 2002 users upgrading to 2003.  If you took advantage of it during it's limited offer time you could have gotten the upgrade for $30 dollars.

In any case, the new features planned look pretty darn interesting.  Of course I'm still trying to figure out how to effectively use VB .Net.  Most of my VB 6 knowledge is useless under the .Net environment and so I'm forced to approach it as if it were a completely new language.  Ugh...

Malys

Toasty0

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2003, 03:27:18 pm »
I've heard that is a common complaint amongst VB coders. I've taken up C# because it is closer to C++ which is a language I'd also like to master (as if anyone ever really masters C++). I also like the clearity and sparcer(sp) syntax of C# while working with ASP.NET.

Plus, and this is really siilly, but I can't help but chuckle every time I read code like this:

Private Shared Function socketSendReceive(server As String, port As Integer) As String
      'Set up variables and String to write to the server.
      Dim ASCII As Encoding = Encoding.ASCII
      Dim [Get] As String = "GET / HTTP/1.1" + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + "Host: " + server + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + "Connection: Close" + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf + ControlChars.Cr + ControlChars.Lf
      Dim ByteGet As [Byte]() = ASCII.GetBytes([Get])
      Dim RecvBytes(255) As [Byte]
      Dim strRetPage As [String] = Nothing
     
      ' Create a socket connection with the specified server and port.
      Dim s As Socket = connectSocket(server, port)
     
      If s Is Nothing Then
         Return "Connection failed"
      End If
      ' Send request to the server.
      s.Send(ByteGet, ByteGet.Length, 0)
     
     
      ' Receive the server  home page content.
      Dim bytes As Int32 = s.Receive(RecvBytes, RecvBytes.Length, 0)


I always wanna ask, "Just how Dim is you code?"

I know that's unfair, but none the less it's what happens.

Btw, while I'm smearing your choice of coding languages  , have you given any thought to instead of "relearning" VB.NET going instead with C#?  Or is VB.NET you're stuck with because of workplace requirements?

Best,
Jerry  
« Last Edit: November 17, 2003, 07:24:53 am by Toasty0 »

Malystryx_XC

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2003, 06:31:12 pm »
Hehe... I actually thought the same thing when I first started learning VB.  "What the heck does Dim mean??"  I kept associating it in my head with dimming light bulbs or dim wits, etc.  I'm so used to it now that it's just a good ol' comforting variable declaration statement to me now.

I kind of chose to learn VB for a couple of reasons.  Years ago when I was first hired as a programmer (with absolutely no prior experience), the language my company was using was called Powerbuilder.  I worked with that environment for about 2 years before I found myself kind of liking programming work.  About that time Visual Studio 6 was just being released by Microsoft and I had an interest in learning C++ for eventual game development.  I was so excited at the prospect of really doing something "cool" with programming that I ordered the Visual Studio 6 Enterprise which came with not only VC++ but VB and J++ as well.  I thought... "Great!  Now I can really dig into learning new stuff!!".  Well needless to say, once I actually received the product my fascination faded and it ended up sitting on my shelf for another year and a half or so.

Occassionally I would run the IDE and browse around the features and look at the different languages but I never really accomplished anything.  I did note however that VB sure looked and worked pretty similar to what I was already familiar with, Powerbuilder.  My interest started to rekindle as I realized that I might be able to use Visual Basic to start doing to home programming work right away instead of having to learn C++ from the ground up.  So I began to tinker with Visual Basic 6 and found that it was a pretty advanced (for the time) language and the Visual Studio development environment as a whole worked a lot better than Powerbuilder 5.

The more I messed with it casually, the more I began to learn things such as what "Dim" meant and how to navigate the IDE and what features did what functions.  I even started learning how the code structure actually worked such as subroutines, functions, classes, etc.  Well if this wasn't a foreshadow for things to come... 4 years after I started at my old company as a Powerbuilder programmer and less than 6 months after I started to seriously dink around with VB 6, I get a new job as an I.T. Manager for a company who uses TWO in house applications built in VB 6!  If I hadn't started to figure out how Visual Basic worked six months earlier I probably wouldn't have gotten the job.

Working for the new company was terrific!  However, I had been put into an environment where I had to seriously pick up learning Visual Basic as fast as possible to continue the company's development in their core applications.  I was a little unsure of myself at first but as time passed I became pretty good at the programming work and found myself able to fly around VB 6 and do all of the tasks my company required and even innovate new ideas for them.

It wasn't until this past summer when Microsoft released Visual Studio .Net 2003 that I finally made the decision that I wanted to specialize my broad range of I.T. skills into programming.  Since I was so familiar with VB 6, I thought it would be a breeze to pick up .Net 2003 and start using the latest technologies in VB.  Hehe... that didn't work out as I had planned.

Although I really like using VB .Net, I'm still figuring out how to do even simple things some times.  But I guess I'm having fun doing it and I figured what better way to learn it than to jump right in and try to swim.  I'm in the process of trying to rebuild from scratch my company's main applications over to .Net.  Let me tell you... the integrated MSDN help is a constant companion for me, heh.

I still want to learn C# someday, but I've decided to get really good at VB .Net first since that directly effects my career and future ambitions as a contract programmer.

Malys  

Toasty0

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Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2003, 07:26:24 am »
Maly,

I thinkn you might get a kick out of this. lblREAD.TEXT="Enjoy";

http://www16.brinkster.com/messydesk/db/refactvb.asp

Best,
Jerry  

Malystryx_XC

  • Guest
Re: This might interest you Visual Studio.Net users.
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2003, 11:02:28 am »
Ahhahahaha...  I'm at work and almost busted up laughing out loud when I saw that!

Hehe... that's pretty darn funny!  Are you subtly hinting that I need to "Rethinkify" my use of VB?  Hmmm... maybe I should ask the "Don Box" for help on what I should do...

Definately a good one!