Topic: OT...Romulan War and ST:Enterprise!

[Magnum357]

Ok, setting aside for the moment the inconsistancies of the show Enterprise, and the theories that Enterprise is an alternate Time line to the one in TNG/DS9, I thought about this supposed Romulan War and maybe a relation to why Vulcans at this time period are so different to TOS/TNG/DS9.

In the latest episode I saw a week ago, it had some Vulcan doctors so much against Mind Melds and such that obvously, Mind Meld practices will become better excepted a hundred years later.  Even though a hundred years is a long time to us, a Hundred years is not as long to a Vulcan.  Why do I have a feeling that something sudden changed a lot of things in this part of the Galaxy.  In the next year, their is suppose to be the start of the Romulan War (2156?), could this have made such a radical impact to vulcan and other races societies with this war?  Is it also the cause of why the Federation is formed?

Maybe their are Romulan operatives working on Vulcan to keep things stagnet.  I mean, their have been some really questionable actions on such an "evolved and peaceful" race.  They keep blaming Humans and Enterprise for causing a lot of problems with nearby races yet it seems they are as succeptable to the same problems with races they can't seem to get along with.  And we know the Romulans are always wanting to retake Vulcan and subjugate the Vulcan race under their empire.  I just have a feeling that their is some kind of struggle with the Vulcans own government and I think that a War (if its the Romulan war, who knows) that will dictate what is going to happen.  

by the way, so far, I like the second season much better then the first season, but I just hope the writers at least reference the Star Trek Encyclopedia first when writing the story.  

[matyoung]

Every time startrek goes back in time say in a single series or in a movie or even in enterprise all these inconsistancies come into effect i wish they would leave time travel and all that alone and concentrate on new ideas new races new stories and keep making the st universe bigger and better rather than going to ,,bleeding san francisco ,, which my god how many times have they gone back to present day san francisco?

"Startreking across the universe always going forward cause we can't find reverse" well they have and keep using it or "To boldly go were no man (one) has gone before" hmmmm then why the hell u keep going back in time ..

See my point..  

[Sartonius]

Well, the problems with seeming inconsistencies frequently arise because of the influence of Brannon Braga  running the show.  If you look at his track record as a writer and producer since he joined the Star Trek franchise, you will find that frequently things are forgotten because he does not feel they are important or he's going for something "different".  This then has the effect of making it harder to explain how the timeline works.

More recently Enterprise was "brought more into line" with the TOS-type predecessor it should be by other elements in the franchise that overrode Braga.  The design of Enterprise looks a lot like the Akira class because Braga ordered it that way because he thought it looked neat.  It had nothing to do with any sort of logical progression of design lineage or anything else, they just thought it looked neat.  But now that they're stuck with the ship and it's transporter it shouldn't have had, with its "phase-cannons", they have to make due.  On the plus side those "drone-like" torpedoes they have are on the mark.

Interestingly,  if you look at the early Trek work as being akin to Shakespeare as presented by the Ed Sullivan Show (i.e. the story works, but the visual effects were low budget at the time) then it works.  If this were literature alone it would be easier to make it mesh.  Since it's visual you have things like Klingons with no forehead makeup until the first movie because they couldn't afford it.  In DS9's "back in time to Trouble with Tribbles" episode they made light of this "joke" and had fun, because ultimately it is not important.

As for the war, there are only two references.  First, they're never supposed to meet the Romulans face-to-face.

Second, the war must be "fought with, what were by our standards" (in terms of phasers and photon torpedoes) "primitive atomic weaponry" --i.e. early missiles, thermonuclear warheads, and torpedo weapons and "primitive" phased particle cannons, such as they are--"in ships that allowed no quarter, no prisoners"--feasible in large battles, where a ship like Enterprise or an early Romulan Warbird class ship if it took a direct hit amidships would probably be destroyed, and without transporters.  

Spock said it in ST VI:   "You must have faith... that the universe will unfold as it should."  Sometimes I think that was a shot by Nimoy at fanatical Trek fans that fail to see the forest for the trees.  

 

[Magnum357]

Ok, setting aside for the moment the inconsistancies of the show Enterprise, and the theories that Enterprise is an alternate Time line to the one in TNG/DS9, I thought about this supposed Romulan War and maybe a relation to why Vulcans at this time period are so different to TOS/TNG/DS9.

In the latest episode I saw a week ago, it had some Vulcan doctors so much against Mind Melds and such that obvously, Mind Meld practices will become better excepted a hundred years later.  Even though a hundred years is a long time to us, a Hundred years is not as long to a Vulcan.  Why do I have a feeling that something sudden changed a lot of things in this part of the Galaxy.  In the next year, their is suppose to be the start of the Romulan War (2156?), could this have made such a radical impact to vulcan and other races societies with this war?  Is it also the cause of why the Federation is formed?

Maybe their are Romulan operatives working on Vulcan to keep things stagnet.  I mean, their have been some really questionable actions on such an "evolved and peaceful" race.  They keep blaming Humans and Enterprise for causing a lot of problems with nearby races yet it seems they are as succeptable to the same problems with races they can't seem to get along with.  And we know the Romulans are always wanting to retake Vulcan and subjugate the Vulcan race under their empire.  I just have a feeling that their is some kind of struggle with the Vulcans own government and I think that a War (if its the Romulan war, who knows) that will dictate what is going to happen.  

by the way, so far, I like the second season much better then the first season, but I just hope the writers at least reference the Star Trek Encyclopedia first when writing the story.  

[matyoung]

Every time startrek goes back in time say in a single series or in a movie or even in enterprise all these inconsistancies come into effect i wish they would leave time travel and all that alone and concentrate on new ideas new races new stories and keep making the st universe bigger and better rather than going to ,,bleeding san francisco ,, which my god how many times have they gone back to present day san francisco?

"Startreking across the universe always going forward cause we can't find reverse" well they have and keep using it or "To boldly go were no man (one) has gone before" hmmmm then why the hell u keep going back in time ..

See my point..  

[Sartonius]

Well, the problems with seeming inconsistencies frequently arise because of the influence of Brannon Braga  running the show.  If you look at his track record as a writer and producer since he joined the Star Trek franchise, you will find that frequently things are forgotten because he does not feel they are important or he's going for something "different".  This then has the effect of making it harder to explain how the timeline works.

More recently Enterprise was "brought more into line" with the TOS-type predecessor it should be by other elements in the franchise that overrode Braga.  The design of Enterprise looks a lot like the Akira class because Braga ordered it that way because he thought it looked neat.  It had nothing to do with any sort of logical progression of design lineage or anything else, they just thought it looked neat.  But now that they're stuck with the ship and it's transporter it shouldn't have had, with its "phase-cannons", they have to make due.  On the plus side those "drone-like" torpedoes they have are on the mark.

Interestingly,  if you look at the early Trek work as being akin to Shakespeare as presented by the Ed Sullivan Show (i.e. the story works, but the visual effects were low budget at the time) then it works.  If this were literature alone it would be easier to make it mesh.  Since it's visual you have things like Klingons with no forehead makeup until the first movie because they couldn't afford it.  In DS9's "back in time to Trouble with Tribbles" episode they made light of this "joke" and had fun, because ultimately it is not important.

As for the war, there are only two references.  First, they're never supposed to meet the Romulans face-to-face.

Second, the war must be "fought with, what were by our standards" (in terms of phasers and photon torpedoes) "primitive atomic weaponry" --i.e. early missiles, thermonuclear warheads, and torpedo weapons and "primitive" phased particle cannons, such as they are--"in ships that allowed no quarter, no prisoners"--feasible in large battles, where a ship like Enterprise or an early Romulan Warbird class ship if it took a direct hit amidships would probably be destroyed, and without transporters.  

Spock said it in ST VI:   "You must have faith... that the universe will unfold as it should."  Sometimes I think that was a shot by Nimoy at fanatical Trek fans that fail to see the forest for the trees.