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Corbomite

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« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2003, 03:50:57 pm »
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i really don't understand all the fuss over Faramir....  




Here's the thing that bothers me about Faramir.

In the books, he considers the arguments of Frodo and company and lets them go, because he recognizes that the Ring would not be safe in Gondor, and Frodo's mission is the only hope, even though it would mean a death sentence for him if he is found out.

In the movie, he drags Frodo & co back to Osgiliath, watches Frodo try to hand the Ring to a Nazgul the moment the Nazgul shows up - and then decides it would be a good idea to send two hobbits and Gollum (who he knows is not trustworthy) into the heart of enemy territory, where there are 9 Nazgul - alone  ...even though it would mean a death sentence for him if he is found out.

Talk about dumb.  




This is exactly right. We traded a really good intelligent scene with real character development over a hard choice for a meaningless special effects scene that actually detracted and took away from the plot and viseral intensity. In the book you don't know what Faramir will do until he does it. In the movie it was force fed (I assume for people who cannot recognize nuance).
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Barabbas

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2003, 10:54:11 pm »
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Read again my friend.  Faramir was tempted.  He passed the test in the book, but did it in the secret hideout.  Jackson feels the need to drag everybody back to Osgiliaith to accomplish this.

At the best this is a waste of time and appears to be an intentional thumbing of the nose at the storyline of the books.

At the worst...

Reread the Akalabeth section of the Silmarilian.  Faramir is a descendent of the Numenorians.  The greater part of whom where seduced to their doom by Sauron.  Sauron deceived them into thinking they could challenge the Valar for the lordship of Arda.  But there were those who resisted Sauron.  The faithful.  These escaped the wreckage of Numenor.  Faramir's role in LOTR is much the same.  He is able to resist.  Just as Elendil and the faithful did in Numenor.  - Poor Elendil, gets offed in the opening narration without any recognition.  Just some dude with a sword we're going to need later.  But then he doesn't "fit" Jackson's revised story line does he?

A goody two shoes cardboard character?  Hardly.  Faramir and Boromir encapsulate the entire history of men.  Sometimes proud and arrogant, but also capable of greatness.  In fact it's Jackson's Faramir who is the cardboard cutout.  Nothing more than a Boromir clone.  




GOOD ANALYSIS, Harlas!

I've been reading the entire series again; I'm about 2/3 of the way through ROTK, and I've found I just don't remember almost ANY of this book!  I think the only thing that struck me about this book the first time around (about 20 years ago!) was the orcs tossing the severed heads of the slain over the walls into Gondor....  

On the plus side, I've purchased one of these:

 Broken Sword of Elandil  for only $131 (including shipping!) for a friend for Christmas!

...She's getting me the 'George Bush Action Figure in Flight Suit', so I had to make it a good one....

   

762

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« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2003, 09:12:16 am »
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...She's getting me the 'George Bush Action Figure in Flight Suit', so I had to make it a good one....




Lucky !!

IKV Nemesis D7L

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2003, 07:51:50 pm »
 

Hstaphath_XC

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2003, 09:28:40 am »
Have you guys seen this?

 

   

Corbomite

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2003, 09:49:48 am »
     Hstaphath!!!

Fahrenheit

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« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2003, 09:52:07 am »
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Have you guys seen this?

 

   




OMG!  I've GOT to get one of those sets!  3 days of bonus features??  wohooo!



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Scott Allen Abfalter

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #87 on: November 18, 2003, 10:00:33 am »

I'd like to say that I am _HAPPY_ the Sauruman/Shire scenes were left out.  I did not like them in the original book, just like I disliked the whole Tom Bombadil silliness.  It distracted from the real story of the Ring.  Kudos to the director for not spoiling his movie, that sort of stuff is perfect for the "Extended" edition.  

I read a joke recently that said that the 3rd movie would be ABSOLUTELY true to the 3rd book:  The story of the ring would be resolved in the first hour, then the final two hours would be the director in front of a whiteboard talking about how dwarven runes are pronounced.  

 

762

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #88 on: November 18, 2003, 10:52:31 am »
Sucker!! I got mine on ebay for only $1600!!  

Dogmatix!

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« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2003, 02:55:52 pm »
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Have you guys seen this?

 

   




I am [so gonna get that when it comes out!  :drool:



Actually, I've been able to contain myself to only purchasing the Platinum Special Editions of the LOTR films, thus far (going to get my copy ot TT tonight).  


 

IKV Nemesis D7L

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IKV Nemesis D7L

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« Reply #91 on: November 19, 2003, 05:33:29 pm »
 

Harlax

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« Reply #92 on: November 19, 2003, 08:44:21 pm »
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and yes, it has been known for a very long time by people closely following the films that there would be NO scouring of the Shire.

 




I've read that too, but here's an interesting tidbit from lordoftherings.net - the track list for the soundtrack.  Notice the last two items...

1. A Storm Is Coming
2. Hope And Memory
3. Minas Tirith (featuring Ben del Maestro)
4. The White Tree
5. The Steward Of Gondor (featuring Billy Boyd)
6. Minas Morgul
7. The Ride Of The Rohirrim
8. Twilight And Shadow (featuring Renée Fleming)
9. Cirith Ungol
10. Andúril
11. Shelob's Lair
12. Ash And Smoke
13. The Fields Of The Pelennor
14. Hope Fails
15. The Black Gate Opens (featuring Sir James Galway)
16. The End Of All Things (featuring Renée Fleming)
17. The Return Of The King (featuring Sir James Galway, Viggo Mortensen, and Renée Fleming)
18. The Grey Havens (featuring Sir James Galway)
19. Into The West (performed by Annie Lennox)  

 

Harlax

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2003, 03:13:58 pm »
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I read a joke recently that said that the 3rd movie would be ABSOLUTELY true to the 3rd book:  The story of the ring would be resolved in the first hour, then the final two hours would be the director in front of a whiteboard talking about how dwarven runes are pronounced.  

 




Heh, the one I heard was "The only acceptable movie version of LOTR would be an elderly white haired gentleman ambling out onto a bare stage, sitting down in a leather arm chair,  lighting up a pipe, cracking open the book and reading it."    

LongTooth

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Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2003, 12:59:17 pm »
Of the third lords of the rings film? just herd it on the radio not sure if its true (but they did say he told them its true and he's not going to the opening of the film next month)  

Gambler

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2003, 01:59:12 pm »
I haven't read The Return of the King, but based on the previous movies, I would find it highly unlikely that his character would be edited out of the film.  He would have to be replaced by another actor in the part and since they filmed the movies all together, the news would have come out long ago.

Therefore I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's most likely just a nasty rumor.

KOTH-Steel Claw

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2003, 02:03:40 pm »
Not able to verify rumor.

Sethan

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« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2003, 02:13:33 pm »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3265475.stm

Rings director cuts wizard scenes

Actor Christopher Lee has said he was mystified to learn that his key scenes have been dropped from the third Lord of the Rings movie.
Lee, 81, who plays the wizard Saruman in the trilogy, said he had expected to appear in seven minutes' worth of climactic scenes.

"Of course I am very shocked, that's all I can say," he told ITV1's This Morning on Wednesday.

He now plans to boycott the film's première in December this year.

"As far as I'm concerned, I'm only telling you this because it has been revealed on the internet, someone has talked and it certainly wasn't me," he told the UK TV show.

"If you want to know why you would have to ask the company New Line or director Peter Jackson and his associates because I still don't really know why.

"I can't say any more because I signed a confidentiality agreement and I honoured my word."

Asked if he would attend the première, he said: "No, what's the point? What's the point of going? None at all."

Christopher Lee fans have started a website petition to restore the scenes.

Lee, who also appears as Count Dooku in the Star Wars films, said appearing in the first two Lord of the Rings movie had been "a dream come true".

 

Sirgod

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« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2003, 02:19:52 pm »
How are they going to end the movie without him and Wormtungue (sp) at the Hobbit shire? that was the One of the most memorable parts of the book as far as Samwise and co where concered. It ended there Character Development perfectly.

Stephen

Toasty0

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« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2003, 03:39:03 pm »
LOL...omg, these H'wood marketing types will do anything to hype a film these days.

Very smart if you ask me. Get a grassroots campaign going to "restore foootage" of *a main plot point character* to a film that would otherwise be crap without it. What a win/win hype. Kudos to the guy/gal/group that cooked up this scheme.

Best,
Jerry