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Sethan

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #100 on: November 12, 2003, 03:53:00 pm »
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LOL...omg, these H'wood marketing types will do anything to hype a film these days.

Very smart if you ask me. Get a grassroots campaign going to "restore foootage" of *a main plot point character* to a film that would otherwise be crap without it. What a win/win hype. Kudos to the guy/gal/group that cooked up this scheme.




Let's hope you're right.

Barabbas

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2003, 03:55:11 pm »

It's been done, but was good enough for a second spin....

 LOTR's newest character
 
 Wellington, New Zealand - A recently leaked trailer for The Return of the King has Tolkien fans outraged over the apparent addition of a new character - Jar-Jaromir. The scene depicted in the trailer shows Jar-Jaromir shouting, "Gondora gonna fallsa";
he then trips over a corpse and knocks down a couple of Uruk-hai.

Producers of The Lord of the Rings trilogy confirmed the addition of the half-brother of Boromir and Faramir.

"While The Two Towers is performing better at the box office than The Fellowship of the Ring, we are worried about a demographic that is skewing much older than desired. More mature fans are very good to have, but it's the younger fans who buy the merchandise. That's really what brings in the bucks on a movie like this," said producer Tim Wilcox.

"People complained a lot about Gimli just being there for comic relief," continued Wilcox. "We answer that criticism by directing the humor through Jar-Jaromir in The Return of the King. There's this funny scene where Jar-Jaromir decides it's best to hand the ring over to Sauron, but then he drops it and kicks it into Mount Doom. Hi-larious."

Purists, miffed by the deviations in The Two Towers, were so enraged by Jar-Jaromir as to be rendered speechless. A less pure, calmer fan who was able to form words said, "Tolkien mentioned a lot of different races and creatures, but never a Gungan or even a half-Gungan. I think I'm going to vomit."

One fan tried to rationalize the move. "Maybe the Star Wars universe and Middle-earth intersect. Middle-earth certainly is a long time ago and why couldn't it be in 'a galaxy far, far away?' Nothing said it's our earth." He then broke down and started crying.

Director Peter Jackson explained how the Jar-Jaromir character was added after all the other footage had already been shot. "That's the brilliant thing about digital editing and graphics. We didn't even imagine Jar-Jaromir in the movie until a couple of weeks ago, but now we can just edit him right into the key scenes. I really think it's going to be a hit with the toddlers."

Jackson added, "I just love it when he shouts, 'Yousa steala precious from meesa!'"

 
 

msnevil

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #102 on: November 12, 2003, 04:05:15 pm »
The director\suits proberly thinks his\thier revisionist version is "better' then Tolkans version. And They proberly think they are successfull on thier own merit, and not the true reason. Tolkan was a Genius when he wrote his morality play. And if they were smart.They would leave the book the way it is and was.  

Toasty0

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« Reply #103 on: November 12, 2003, 04:08:46 pm »
 

Too funny!  

Taldren_Erin

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« Reply #104 on: November 12, 2003, 04:57:08 pm »
I just choked on my tea. =P Too funny.  

Hstaphath_XC

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« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2003, 06:09:17 pm »
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How are they going to end the movie without him and Wormtungue (sp) at the Hobbit shire? that was the One of the most memorable parts of the book as far as Samwise and co where concered. It ended there Character Development perfectly.  Stephen  




I hate to break this to you guys, but I read a Pete Jackson interview over a year ago where he stated very forcefully that there will be NO "scourging of the Shire" in Return of the King.  

That's right, no return to the Shire and all that doing so would involve.  Given that, I can see how they could easily cut Saruman from the movie.

In the interview, Pete Jackson went on to complain about how much was already being packed into the final movie and that it would end in Minas Tirith after Sauron falls, Frodo and Sam are recovered from Mount Doom, and Aragorn is then crowned king.

If I remember, I will do a search for the interview tomorrow.  It was posted at theonering.net.  

NCC2012

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« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2003, 06:47:20 pm »
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Too funny!  




Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Kieran Forester

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« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2003, 07:50:02 pm »
In Antwort auf:

   




Gahhhhh! Scary!

NCC2012

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2003, 08:00:54 pm »
"Is some orcas gonna die?"

Sirgod

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2003, 08:09:14 pm »
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"Is some orcas gonna die?"  




Where there whales in LOTR?

Hsta- sniff sniff from your post.

Stephen

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« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2003, 08:11:34 pm »
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"Is some orcas gonna die?"  




Where there whales in LOTR?

Stephen  




Well, I needed the two sylables in there, and...  

Hstaphath_XC

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #111 on: November 13, 2003, 07:05:19 pm »
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Hsta- sniff sniff from your post. Stephen  




Yeah, I know what you mean...  

You can bet, though, that I'll be roasting Jackson (again!) for it in Monty Python: Return of the King!
 

RazalYllib

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« Reply #112 on: November 13, 2003, 07:48:27 pm »
Perhaps, the Key Saruman Scenes will be in TTT-EE.

Lets look at it this way, with NO Scouring of the Shire, all that is left for Saruman is the showdown w/ Gandolf and Co at the base of Orthanc and Wormtongue throws the Palantir at Gandolf.

My prediction is that this scene "may" be in TTT-EE or in the ROTK.

Another prediction is that after the Palantir toss, Saruman and Wormtongue have a melee and Saruman falls and is impelled on the Spikey Wheel thingy that was leaked out many moons ago.  Finis for Wormtongue and Saruman, there is no further use for them in the plot sans the Scouring of the Shire.

I belive the ending will "fast forward", possibley with narration from Bilbo, Sam, Frodo or Galadrial to the Grey Havens and end with the ship going accross the Sea  to Valinor.

 

762

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2003, 09:15:55 am »
"The Voice of Saruman" - one of the best chapters of ROTK.

I hope it makes it in the DVD.

Harlax

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« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2003, 02:13:48 am »
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The director\suits proberly thinks his\thier revisionist version is "better' then Tolkans version. And They proberly think they are successfull on thier own merit, and not the true reason. Tolkan was a Genius when he wrote his morality play. And if they were smart.They would leave the book the way it is and was.  




Ding Ding Ding Ding!

Give that man the prize.  Ok Jackson was never going to make Tolkien fanatics happy.  Impossible task.  But...

The whole "men are weak," thing  leading to Aragorn doing a Hamlet and Faramir acting totaly out of character was a totally unnecesary revision that ensures that all, rather than most, Tolkien fanatics will despise him.

I'd start on my Ents, Rohan, and "what in Arda are those Elves doing at Helms Deep" rant, but that would risk consigning this thread to the Equine Graveyard section.

Yeah, Jackson has his own "vision" of what LOTR should be.  Omissions I can handle, there is only so much that fits even in an extended version.  Wholesale revision?  Well thats why my 8 year old son is not allowed to watch the movie until we have finished reading the books.  

Strafer

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Re: Has any one else herd chirs lee has been edited out
« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2003, 03:05:05 am »
I caught something earlier this week on Aint-It-Cool-News regarding this:

The Saruman scenes were initially set to appear at the very start of ROTK for like 7 minutes, but spoiled the flow to push the new story forward. They were basically the fall of Isengard, recap style. Scene was cut, and film edited in a more "moving on along" theme.
Those scenes will however be included in the ROTK:EE as home viewing isn't as crucial for flow.

So, Mr. Lee can decide to not attend the premiere, but in a year when the Ext. ver. comes out, he may decide to appear at his local movie megastore.

Demandred

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« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2003, 07:46:56 am »
I've heard the reason for it is that the film was already 3 hours and 20 minutes long, and if it was any longer they would have to have a break for technical reasons.

dangadget

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« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2003, 02:51:01 pm »
already confirmed that Saruman's and Wormtongue's commupence scenes have been cut from the theatrical release of ROTK, but will be included in the extended DVD edition to be released next year.

Peter Jackson states that the reason for this was pacing, as the scenes as filmed felt like a wrap up to TTT rather than an introduction to ROTK, which is what they needed.

and yes, it has been known for a very long time by people closely following the films that there would be NO scouring of the Shire.

purists may wail and gnash their teeth all they want, but refusing to acknowledge the facts that an almost literal translation of LOTR to film was an impossibility changes nothing.

the films still stand on their own as great _interpretations_of Tolkiens books, and I for one am looking forward to the concluding film(and looking forward even more to the last extended DVD)  

Commander Xizor

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« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2003, 04:05:52 pm »
Kind of on a related note, I am trying to decide if I should read ROTK before the movie comes out.  After watching FOTR and TTT, I read those books, but I haven't gotten around to ROTK yet.  In general, I thought the movies were excellent, but the books a little dull at times.

Should I read it now or wait?

Sethan

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« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2003, 04:13:41 pm »
Read it now.  That way the peripheral events in the movie will make sense.