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Gambler

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Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« on: November 11, 2003, 04:08:00 pm »
 Girl Scouts in Alaska Trap, Skin Beavers

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska ? Let other Girl Scouts make bird feeders out of Clorox bottles and glue together little birch-bark canoes -- Troop 34 in Alaska is learning to trap and skin beavers.

In a practice that has angered animal rights activists, the girls are killing the beavers as part of a state flood-management program.

"We think it sends a very, very bad message that when animals cause a problem you kill them," said Stephanie Boyles of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. She said the Girl Scouts should want girls to become "stewards of wildlife, not abusers."

Last spring, about 10 members of the Fairbanks troop and their families helped catch two beavers using snare and lethal traps. The girls were taught how to find the animals' dens and how to lay the traps. Working under close supervision, the girls used knives to skin the beavers.

The troop had the pelts tanned and plans to make hats and mittens once a dozen hides are collected. The girls also want to cook beaver meat.

They plan to begin setting traps out again this month.

Alaska Girl Scout leaders said they know of no other troop in the country to take part in such a program.

Officials at the Girl Scouts' New York headquarters did not return repeated calls. But in a Sept. 16 letter to PETA, spokeswoman Courtney Shore said the organization does not promote trapping or hunting and does not offer merit badges for those activities.

Shore noted that Troop 34, made up of 13 girls ages 10 to 12, participated after an invitation from the Alaska state Department of Fish and Game.

"It is understandable why the troop responded positively when approached by a state authority to conduct an activity that is commonplace in that area of the country," Shore wrote.

The state-run Take a Kid Trapping program is aimed at controlling flooding and other damage caused by an increasing number of beavers along the lower Chena River in Fairbanks. It is open to kids as young as 7.

Alaska scout leaders said the program is a "non-issue" in Fairbanks, where trapping has a long history.

Troop 34 leader Dona Boylan said she wanted to impart lessons in responsible game management to Troop 34's members, who are city girls, at least by Alaska's standards. Fairbanks is a city of nearly 30,000.

 "Trapping may not be pretty, but the girls understand the seriousness and huge responsibility of taking a life," Boylan said. "They understand that when humans impact their environment, they become ultimately responsible for maintaining a healthy population of the animals they have to coexist with in these urban centers."

Girl Scout leaders said none of the girls would talk to The Associated Press.

"I feel like PETA doesn't have a concept that trapping is considered a heritage here in Alaska," said Mike McDougall, a trapper who worked with the scouts. "These kids are learning more than just how to take an animal. They're learning about ecology. They also got a definite sense of respect for the animals."

The program is helping to curb a burgeoning population of the large rodents, which in Alaska can weigh up to 70 pounds. Their growing numbers are attributed to recent warm winters and a drop in commercial trapping.

"Beavers are a valuable source of education for our young people," said Tom Seaton, a Fish and Game biologist. "Their carcasses can used in many ways -- for food, for warm garments. Almost everything about beavers is good except when they flood your yard or knock down live trees."





PETA really needs to get a grip.  

762

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2003, 04:14:47 pm »
They're gonna hafta start giving Girl Scouts self-defense and weapons training to deal with those militant l00nies in PETA.

Dash Jones

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2003, 08:17:33 pm »
Hmmm.  Don't know exactly what to say, except perhaps PETA should loosen up a little.

Taldren_Erin

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2003, 08:20:10 pm »
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perhaps PETA should loosen up a little.  




Is this news to anyone? =D

I quit the girl scouts way back when because all my troop did was make dolls out of wooden spoons and sing.  

NCC2012

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2003, 08:23:24 pm »
This is as dumb as say going after the Boy Scouts for fishing.  

762

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2003, 09:06:26 am »
I think on my next day off I'm gonna spend the day researching the web in order to come up with a "Best of PETA" thread. There's just too much funny stuff from these guys.

The storeowner in the mall with the ants is my favorite so far.  

Fahrenheit

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2003, 10:28:29 am »
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I quit the girl scouts way back when because all my troop did was make dolls out of wooden spoons and sing.  




I got kicked out of the Boy Scouts for eating a Brownie.



"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Admiral Hyman Rickover

Barabbas

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2003, 10:55:33 am »
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I quit the girl scouts way back when because all my troop did was make dolls out of wooden spoons and sing.  





Yeah.... I quit the boy scouts for the same reason....


It's a shame we never got to kill anything when I was there.  

Taldren_Erin

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2003, 12:26:47 pm »
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This is as dumb as say going after the Boy Scouts for fishing.    




Well, the girl scouts are a bit different... I went in them as a kid making the same mistake, thinking that they were a girl version of the boy scouts. They're not. They basically do a lot of singing and the badges are mostly community service-related or given for learning things like cooking or nursing skills. It was a long time ago, though, so I might be remembering incorrectly, but doing anything outdoors would involve possibly identifying tracks at the most adventurous. Given the year or so of involvement I did have (I got past Brownie and into Junior just to give them a chance), I was surprised to read that they would skin and trap beavers -- it is actually unusual for the organization and I'm not surprised PETA got upset. Not because it was justified but because I've seen what they've gotten upset about in the past. =P  

KOTH-Steel Claw

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2003, 02:11:45 pm »
Being from the Tidewater area of Virginia, which is where PETA is located (ACK!), the four letters (to us) mean:

People Embarrasing the Tidewater Area

Of course there is also a few other favorites:

Please Eat The Animals

People Eating Tasty Animals

Let's face it, I cannot take them seriously. After all, they have Pamela Anderson as a spokeswoman. In this case, they need to get a grip on reality.  

msnevil

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2003, 06:03:18 pm »
I have no respect for PETA. They would rather watch deer starve to death then thin the herd.

I  

Gambler

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Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2003, 04:08:00 pm »
 Girl Scouts in Alaska Trap, Skin Beavers

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ANCHORAGE, Alaska ? Let other Girl Scouts make bird feeders out of Clorox bottles and glue together little birch-bark canoes -- Troop 34 in Alaska is learning to trap and skin beavers.

In a practice that has angered animal rights activists, the girls are killing the beavers as part of a state flood-management program.

"We think it sends a very, very bad message that when animals cause a problem you kill them," said Stephanie Boyles of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. She said the Girl Scouts should want girls to become "stewards of wildlife, not abusers."

Last spring, about 10 members of the Fairbanks troop and their families helped catch two beavers using snare and lethal traps. The girls were taught how to find the animals' dens and how to lay the traps. Working under close supervision, the girls used knives to skin the beavers.

The troop had the pelts tanned and plans to make hats and mittens once a dozen hides are collected. The girls also want to cook beaver meat.

They plan to begin setting traps out again this month.

Alaska Girl Scout leaders said they know of no other troop in the country to take part in such a program.

Officials at the Girl Scouts' New York headquarters did not return repeated calls. But in a Sept. 16 letter to PETA, spokeswoman Courtney Shore said the organization does not promote trapping or hunting and does not offer merit badges for those activities.

Shore noted that Troop 34, made up of 13 girls ages 10 to 12, participated after an invitation from the Alaska state Department of Fish and Game.

"It is understandable why the troop responded positively when approached by a state authority to conduct an activity that is commonplace in that area of the country," Shore wrote.

The state-run Take a Kid Trapping program is aimed at controlling flooding and other damage caused by an increasing number of beavers along the lower Chena River in Fairbanks. It is open to kids as young as 7.

Alaska scout leaders said the program is a "non-issue" in Fairbanks, where trapping has a long history.

Troop 34 leader Dona Boylan said she wanted to impart lessons in responsible game management to Troop 34's members, who are city girls, at least by Alaska's standards. Fairbanks is a city of nearly 30,000.

 "Trapping may not be pretty, but the girls understand the seriousness and huge responsibility of taking a life," Boylan said. "They understand that when humans impact their environment, they become ultimately responsible for maintaining a healthy population of the animals they have to coexist with in these urban centers."

Girl Scout leaders said none of the girls would talk to The Associated Press.

"I feel like PETA doesn't have a concept that trapping is considered a heritage here in Alaska," said Mike McDougall, a trapper who worked with the scouts. "These kids are learning more than just how to take an animal. They're learning about ecology. They also got a definite sense of respect for the animals."

The program is helping to curb a burgeoning population of the large rodents, which in Alaska can weigh up to 70 pounds. Their growing numbers are attributed to recent warm winters and a drop in commercial trapping.

"Beavers are a valuable source of education for our young people," said Tom Seaton, a Fish and Game biologist. "Their carcasses can used in many ways -- for food, for warm garments. Almost everything about beavers is good except when they flood your yard or knock down live trees."





PETA really needs to get a grip.  

762

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2003, 04:14:47 pm »
They're gonna hafta start giving Girl Scouts self-defense and weapons training to deal with those militant l00nies in PETA.

Dash Jones

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2003, 08:17:33 pm »
Hmmm.  Don't know exactly what to say, except perhaps PETA should loosen up a little.

Taldren_Erin

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2003, 08:20:10 pm »
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perhaps PETA should loosen up a little.  




Is this news to anyone? =D

I quit the girl scouts way back when because all my troop did was make dolls out of wooden spoons and sing.  

NCC2012

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2003, 08:23:24 pm »
This is as dumb as say going after the Boy Scouts for fishing.  

762

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2003, 09:06:26 am »
I think on my next day off I'm gonna spend the day researching the web in order to come up with a "Best of PETA" thread. There's just too much funny stuff from these guys.

The storeowner in the mall with the ants is my favorite so far.  

Fahrenheit

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2003, 10:28:29 am »
Quote:

I quit the girl scouts way back when because all my troop did was make dolls out of wooden spoons and sing.  




I got kicked out of the Boy Scouts for eating a Brownie.



"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Admiral Hyman Rickover

Barabbas

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2003, 10:55:33 am »
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I quit the girl scouts way back when because all my troop did was make dolls out of wooden spoons and sing.  





Yeah.... I quit the boy scouts for the same reason....


It's a shame we never got to kill anything when I was there.  

Taldren_Erin

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Re: Do they wash their hands before handling the cookies?
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2003, 12:26:47 pm »
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This is as dumb as say going after the Boy Scouts for fishing.    




Well, the girl scouts are a bit different... I went in them as a kid making the same mistake, thinking that they were a girl version of the boy scouts. They're not. They basically do a lot of singing and the badges are mostly community service-related or given for learning things like cooking or nursing skills. It was a long time ago, though, so I might be remembering incorrectly, but doing anything outdoors would involve possibly identifying tracks at the most adventurous. Given the year or so of involvement I did have (I got past Brownie and into Junior just to give them a chance), I was surprised to read that they would skin and trap beavers -- it is actually unusual for the organization and I'm not surprised PETA got upset. Not because it was justified but because I've seen what they've gotten upset about in the past. =P