Topic: Rom BoP for Lost Era (WIP) (Read 3594 times)

sandman69247 · « **on:** November 08, 2003, 05:22:39 pm »

Decided it was time to make the Rom BoP for the Lost Era...it's easier than the others and gives me some time to get into doing the Melak...damn the curse, full speed ahead!!

Here's a couple of pics of the mesh...what do you think? She comes in at 1948 polys.

Desty_Nova · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2003, 05:24:36 pm »

Looks great!

Good job on keeping the poly count reasonable too.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2003, 05:40:44 pm »

Speaking of Romulans,

Kt'Hyla has a bunch of TMP Romulans that might fit into your Lost Generation Mod too. If you drop him a line and can convert LWO to .MOD we can have some more Romulan ships ready to go for Both GaW and your Mod.

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/phoenixx/phoenix.htm

Kt'Hyla wrote: "Wow you guys have a lot in the works... Go a head with the shuttle conversion, just remember to mention me somewhere in there. And posting a link on the Taldren forums is okay, never know who's going to to find what useful. Just remember to leave a note that if someone want's to convert something to SFC to contact me first. Ditto for whomever want's to convert the older Roms, I like to keep track of where everything's zipping off to

. My older Roms are meant to be TOS, rather than Pre-TOS, although by that time most of them were getting a little long in the tooth anyhow...

In a day or two I'll be releasing my Romulan D'Vas BCH, another original of mine, might make a good addition to GaW. "

Qapla!

KF

Azel · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2003, 06:33:31 pm »

Great Job SandMan!!!

Great news KF!!!
We just need those ships(TOS and others) to be Converted

sandman69247 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2003, 12:54:20 am »

I'll give it a shot...I have the .lwo importer for max, thanx to Atheorhaven.

Anyone (Alec?) know if it will save the mapping? Or I could just import to MS3D...still have that on my hd. Either way, I'll give it a go...it'd be a whole lot easier than building/texturing them me own self.

Now for the BoP...when I start on the textures, should I give it an aztec plating, or go with just a plain gray? And what color should the bussards be?

Azel · « **Reply #5 on:** November 09, 2003, 07:53:44 am »

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Now for the BoP...when I start on the textures, should I give it an aztec plating, or go with just a plain gray? And what color should the bussards be?

Aztec becoause of the timeline...and probably green bussards, as the old TOS one has Blue ones...and this is a later variant right???

Azel · « **Reply #6 on:** November 09, 2003, 07:55:02 am »

Oh...and make it Green(the ship Hull)...Green would be good

Pataflafla · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2003, 08:32:24 am »

Unless its an LWO importer other than the one on my site, it doesn't save mapping. If it is a different one, I'd love a copy of it!

However, I have Deep Exploration which will convert to .3ds and save mapping. When imported into max all you have to
do is select polys by material and reassign the appropriate materials.

This is the method I used to convert the one or two Mackie models I did way back. Since Alec has been converting Mackie's .lwo files I'd assume he has a good solution as well if not the same one.

PM or email me and we can discuss it more if you like.

Excellent Bop, BTW.

You meshers just kill me. Don't know how you do it. lol

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sandman69247 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 09, 2003, 10:30:46 am »

Pata, the one I have is either the one on your site or the one on Alecs...if same, then there ya go.

I'll chk into it, as I have that, Deep Exploration and MS3D...just need to get the Assimsoft exporter for that.

OK, now for the texturing...green? The BoP was gray...but it is supposed to be for the Lost Era. OK, here's some speculation...After the encounter with the Enterprise, the Romulans realized they were still behind the Federation technologically. When they made the trade with the Klingons and aquired M/AM drives, they set about re-fitting the BoP. With the new engines, the power available allowed better, more effective use of the cloak. Realizing that the Plasma weapon was better as an assault weapon against bases and such, they re-armed them with disruptors. In order tell them apart, and to go better with the new fleet scheme, they painted them green.

Sound plausible?

Pataflafla · « **Reply #9 on:** November 09, 2003, 10:51:14 am »

Makes sense. And green looks better than gray, too. IMO

I'd guess that the influence of the Kilink tech trade would still have some influence in this time period. Not so much actual Klink tech as the Roms taking the Klink tech to the next step. Things like impulse units and nacelles might still look a little
Klingon in this era. Where as in the TMP era in many cases the tech was Klnik and by TNG era the Roms had progressed on there own enough that their tech looked wholely their own.

Or maybe I'm talking through my hat and should shut up. lol

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sandman69247 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 09, 2003, 10:58:20 am »

Yeah, kinda a crossbreed of the two. Works for me!

sandman69247 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2003, 12:09:23 am »

Did a wee lil' bit on the textures...been working (damn retail at xmas season

). Is the right shade of green ya think? Also, for bussards. I think it will good...just not sure if I should add the bird on the bottom, or make it more modern, i.e. no bird? I was thinking of leaving off the bird and doing Rom Empire logo in a few strategic, and spotlighted, locations.

My thinking is, the pre-TOS ships are green...Masao has them with a bird...Enterprise has them w/out. So, I see the BoP from TOS, with the bird, as being an experimental ship...line ships don't have the bird. And, this is a re-fit of the TOS BoP, having been upgraded with Klingon style M/AM reactors. Also, rather than the plasma torp, it's been re-fitted with disruptors. That way, there's more power available to the cloak and engines, meaning it was a little better match for their neighbors.

Anyway, enough rambling. Here's the pics:

sandman69247 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2003, 08:56:15 am »

Sir-BUMP-alot!!

Kaenyne · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2003, 08:59:23 am »

Oooh...another sweet lookin' Rommie comin' our way.

She's looking very good!

sandman69247 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2003, 09:18:20 am »

Thanx!!

Azel · « **Reply #15 on:** November 10, 2003, 06:23:41 pm »

OOOOO gettin mean

sandman69247 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 12, 2003, 11:07:23 am »

OK, a couple of more shots of the texturing...slow going as I'm unfamiliar with Roms and I'm flying by the seat of my pants.

The designs on the saucer were an experiment and won't be part of the final job. I added impulse engines to the rear, as it always looked weird not having any. What do you think?

Kaenyne · « **Reply #17 on:** November 12, 2003, 11:27:02 am »

For a guy unfamiliar with Rommies you're doing a bangup job!

I agree this bird needs impulse engines, but perhaps not square as you have them.

Maybe round the sides and leave some green hull at the top and bottom?

Otherwise, lookin' great!

sandman69247 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2003, 12:31:59 pm »

Thanx! And I'll give that a try...I was thinkin' it looked a little awkward(sp?), thanx for the suggestion.

To clarify something, I normally use a combination of PSP7 and PS7 when texturing, but this time I'm doing it all in PS7. I'm figuring a few things out, so don't be surprised to see "tests" as I go along. I don't really know how it's going to look until I get it applied and rendered out.

I'm used to doing Feds (which I now have a better idea of how to do somethings...keep an eye out

) and it just seems too plain. I'm not too familiar with the types of paneling and other details should be present on a Rom.

So, like I said, you may see some weird stuff as I go along.

Azel · « **Reply #19 on:** November 12, 2003, 05:09:19 pm »

DROOLING!!!!

Atrahasis · « **Reply #20 on:** November 12, 2003, 07:49:36 pm »

Don't forget you need to put a plasma launcher at the front.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 12, 2003, 09:39:08 pm »

Well, I assumed that after the encounter with the Enterprise, the Roms decided that the plasma torp was only of use against bases and stationary targets. I was going to add disruptors to the wing bases...but maybe it would still work with a plasma torp launcher...the Klink style M/AM reactors would provide enough power to make that feasable, you think?

Anyway here's a pic what I did today...not much as , even though it was my day off, I had a honey-do list that was horrendous.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #22 on:** November 13, 2003, 08:38:15 am »

Nice progress.

Although I'm not sure about the Romulan symbol. It kinda clashes, but not garishly so.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #24 on:** November 13, 2003, 10:18:08 am »

Yeah, give that a try...

sandman69247 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 13, 2003, 08:39:57 pm »

BLASPHEMY!!!

True it has been done...also true that some do not like the ones made. That's one of the things about being a modeller...sometimes you attempt a model for the sheer challenge of it. Those who are critical of the ones made might be nitpicking, but, in the end when one is made that meets their approval then all will be happy.

Or, it might just be the impetous to get them to make the attempt themselves, thereby adding another modeller to the ranks.

If I don't

till I'm a blithering idiot making this attempt and actually make one that I'm happy with, I'll release it and if doesn't meet with their approval, that's ok...I did it for me. Yes it has the benefit of being a prized design that is in demand by some, but it is equally valuable to the modeller...I'm doing a lot of experimenting, trying new things out, trying to get it right. Most Feds are pretty easy to build...A saucer, some cylinders, a few specially shape pieces and you got it. The Melak (and by similarity of design, the D'Deridex) are alot more complicated. Having fun, but it is frustrating!

Reverend · « **Reply #27 on:** November 13, 2003, 11:27:47 pm »

This BoP is rather dandy- keep up the good work....

Stormbringer · « **Reply #28 on:** November 13, 2003, 11:35:28 pm »

The wings are a bit thick in my opinion. Is it intentional? otherwise good ship.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2003, 12:05:51 pm »

Thanx, and yes, it is intentional...I figured with the new Klink technology, they would have to re-fit the power conduits and such to handle the increased power capacity, as well as strengthen the wings to handle the added stress of higher warp speeds.

Remember this is intended to show my take on what the Roms tried in order to increase the effectiveness of their ships. Those of us working on the Lost Era are pretty much taking artistic license with the designs, trying to show the transition from TOS/TMP to TNG designs. Quite fun, actually.

NOTE: If anyone has ideas on what designs should like, or you have one in your head that you think might work for this time period, by all means let us see it. I have a "Official Lost Era" thread going, so post 'em there.

OK, here's a few shots of some more work I did on her...changed the symbol to a more matte finish (does look better

) and added disruptor canons to the wing bases. I plan on releasing 2 versions...with a plasma launcher and w/out...this is w/out.

Let me know what you think so far...

Kaenyne · « **Reply #30 on:** November 14, 2003, 12:25:27 pm »

Yes, she is definately becoming one beautful bird!

The matte work is on the mone, and the additions of the weapons are slick as well.

Great work, and I'm happy to hear there will be two versions!

Looking forward to flying her!

sandman69247 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 15, 2003, 11:01:02 am »

Thanx Kaenyne!!

And thanx for the suggestion on the symbol...worked well and makes it look more real.

Does anyone have, or know where to get, Romulan fonts? I have Klingon, but no Rom, except for the Romulanized english lettering.

Any suggestions on what to put on the bottom? I tried a grayscaled version of the bird from TOS, but it doesn't line up right, and it really doesn't look right with the new color scheme. Any help would be appreciated.

SSCF_LeRoy · « **Reply #32 on:** November 15, 2003, 11:30:34 am »

Could you possibly make one that is armed with photon torpedoes? I ask this question because I remember the captain of the Enterprise - C saying the the Romulan ships they faught used photon torpedoes during the Kitomer Massacre in "Yesterday's Enterprise".

E_Look · « **Reply #33 on:** November 15, 2003, 05:57:03 pm »

Nice windows on the edges of the hull.

sandman69247 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 16, 2003, 09:23:16 am »

Thanx!! As for the photons, I don't there will be any on this ship...we're thinking of doing the Melak for the Narendra III incident...if I, or someone else comes up with a good one that is.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2003, 09:17:11 am »

Bump for update!

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