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Azel

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HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« on: November 06, 2003, 11:09:11 am »
Well the mesh anyway
I just sent her to SteelViper for som skins
I am sure he'll post some pics  

Kaenyne

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2003, 11:14:46 am »
More Azel stuff on the way!

Always a cool thing!

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2003, 11:14:50 am »
You're doing the Lost Era ships?  Dude!  Do you guys happen to have the Universe or the Ivarix-class from Serpents Among the Ruins?

Kaenyne

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2003, 11:17:21 am »
What are those ships and what is Serpents Among the Stars?

And how did you italisize your test?

IThis English major has to know!

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 11:26:47 am »
 
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 You're doing the Lost Era ships? Dude! Do you guys happen to have the Universe or the Ivarix-class from Serpents Among the Ruins?  




What Race are those ships from???
I would do them too...The Cardassian is totally a design that I guessed...
Any info or descriptive text would be good too  

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 11:30:15 am »
I posted this in the other thread, but here's what I've found in the first four (I was looking out for ship classes for a little research):

The Sundered

O'Neil Colonies
Neyel Warships
Tholian ships (probably just use the ones from KA/GAW)

Serpents Among the Ruins

Romulan Ivarix-class (The Tomed is of this class) Warbird
Federation U.S.S. Universe
Federation Oddysseus-class

The Art of the Impossible

Cardassian Akril-class
Klingon Birok-class strike cruiser (a modification of the Kleev XCA from OP?)
Romulan Amarcan-class Warbird (mentioned in passing in TAotI, but named in Vulcan's Heart)
Klingon Vakk-class cruiser

Well of Souls

Cardassian scout
Vulcan warp-shuttle (Named the T'Pol, big enough to carry its own pod)  

Kaenyne

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2003, 11:33:00 am »
Hmmm...so these ships are all from a novel series?

I woul dguess they are exclusive to those books, and only in the imaginations of their respective authors.

But fortunately, that's never stopped SFC modelers!

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2003, 11:54:57 am »
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Any info or descriptive text would be good too  




Some authors are better at describing their ships than others.  The best descriptions are from Serpents Among the Ruins, the book about the Tomed Incident.

The Romulan Ivarix-class:

"It's main body, curving laterally from the tip of its bow back to its linear stern, stretched nearly as long and wide as all of the Enterprise [Note: It's the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B].  A flat, thick neck reached forward to a smaller, aquiline structure, and two warp nacelles sat atop broad, winglike supports that arched outward and upward from the main section.  The design evoked a distinctly avian feel, as of a hawk swooping down on its prey -- an image chillingly appropriate in this case, Harriman thought.  He recognized the vessel at once as a Romulan ship of the line."

Also has a quantum singularity core (probably the first ship to do that), disruptors, plasma and photon torpedoes.  It can also travel in an atmosphere.

The Federation Odysseus-class:

"The curved engine nacelles of the Odysseus vessels represented an experimental Starfleet design three decades old -- a design that, while functional, had been abandoned when theorized efficiencies in warp-field generation had never materialized.  Only two of the eight ships built remained in active service..."

Better make that only one by the end of the novel.

U.S.S. Universe, NX-2999:

"With a particularly wide beam and shallow depth, the starship looked as though it had been compacted top to bottom, and spread port to starboard.  The primary hull, a narrow ellipse with its major axis running fore and aft, had no rise to it at its center.  The secondary hull, another level, narrow ellipse, but smalle, connected to the primary hull directly, the forward section of the former lying directly below the aft section of the latter.  A pair of thin struts, angling backward, connected each of the two warp nacelles to the secondary hull.  The nacelles themselves were flat and wide, flaring out broadly from their midpoints aft.  The two-hull, two-nacelle alignment suggested a resemblence to other Starfleet vessels, but departed dramatically from those other designs in execution."

Give the true mission of the Universe, it was either cobbled together quickly or was an old design redressed for its task.  Probably the latter, since it was only seven months between the conception of the plan and its execution.

I've been revisiting SAtR for my timeline, so I've been trying to extrapolate date points for when certain ships were launched and when certain events happened leading up to the Tomed Incident.
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Kaenyne

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2003, 12:01:06 pm »
Thanks for the excerpts, Rat_Boy!

The Rommie sounds very intriguing!  

I'm reminded of Thu11s' Condor...

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2003, 12:23:36 pm »
Okay, since there are no really exact descrptions for the other ones, here's some speculation:

O'Neil Colonies and Neyel Warships from The Sundered:

Both are essentially asteroid bases refitted with engines.


Tholian warships from The Sundered:

Since the novel takes place a few years before the Galaxies at War timeframe, the Tholian ships probably are identical to those that Taldren released last month.


Cardassian Akril-class from The Art of the Impossible:

That's already been covered.


Klingon Birok-class strike cruiser from The Art of the Impossible:

As I said before, I picture this as a modification of the Kleev-class XCA from Orion Pirates.  Since the Klingon economy didn't have a lot of money to throw around, it would make sense that this was a modification of another design rather than a new ship.  So, perhaps the Birok is the XCB?


Romulan Amarcan-class Warbird from Vulcan's Heart, mentioned without naming it in The Art of the Impossible:

There's a short description from VH:

"An image of a ship, the eagle on its underbelly freshly painted, formed on the screen, and Saavik straightened in alarm.  This ship was perhaps twenty percent bigger than the old warbirds, with more graceful lines than the K'tinga-class Klingon vessels that the Empire had used in recent decades."

This book was written in 1999, four years before The Lost Era Series started coming out.  Adding more intrigue is that the warbird on the cover of the novel was a reuse of the D'Deridex seen on TNG and DS9.  So, with a little extrapoliation, we can assume that the Amarcan is 20% bigger than the Ivarix, but smaller than the D'Deridex with a double hull.  Maybe it's kind of like the Melak from New Worlds.


Klingon Vakk-class cruiser from The Art of the Impossible:

This ship was the first new class of Klingon cruiser since the turn of the century built after the attack on Narendra III.  It's probably a step in between OP's Kleev and TNG's Vor'cha.


Cardassian scout from Well of Souls:

Nothing on this one.  Probably looks like the Hideki-class from DS9.


Vulcan warp-shuttle T'Pol from Well of Souls:

Again, very little.  The term shuttle is a misnomer as its big enough to have crew quarters and its own shuttlepod.  Probably the evolutionary descendant of the warp shuttle from The Motion Picture.

Fury_of_a_Seraph

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2003, 12:43:25 pm »
Are we gonna have the Galors in there too?  

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2003, 12:52:23 pm »
No Galors...lol
As for the others...this is going to be tough....lol  

sandman69247

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2003, 12:59:16 pm »
Alright!!! Now we be cooking with gas, man!! This is going to be fun!!

 

Fury_of_a_Seraph

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2003, 01:13:11 pm »
Starting the textures.
Tell me what you think
 
   

sandman69247

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2003, 01:27:06 pm »
Me likey!!! OK, now to add this to the ship list.

 

Kaenyne

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2003, 01:46:17 pm »
Sweeeet!

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2003, 02:57:29 pm »
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That's pretty good!

Desty_Nova

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2003, 03:01:47 pm »
Great work so far, you two.

Another must-have

Fury_of_a_Seraph

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2003, 03:04:16 pm »
Im not happy with her. Something is missing...Of course it cant really be seen with the Quality of these JPEG's but something is off...  

starforce2

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2003, 03:18:54 pm »
looks great.,

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2003, 04:03:08 pm »
 
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Im not happy with her. Something is missing...Of course it cant really be seen with the Quality of these JPEG's but something is off...  



Possibly the absence of the greeble in the wings...like the Galor  

Fury_of_a_Seraph

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2003, 04:14:59 pm »
 

Okay, now im happy  

Desty_Nova

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2003, 04:57:11 pm »
This is just my opinion, but I think the greebled areas on the wings should be a bit darker. I think that would make them stand out from the hull a bit better. But either way, looking really good.

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2003, 08:10:32 pm »
Well, if you're taking suggestions, how about pushing the bridge module forward just a tish?

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2003, 08:12:26 pm »
 
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 Well, if you're taking suggestions, how about pushing the bridge module forward just a tish?  
 

 



Thats a negative sir....As it is suposed to be an obselete design...according to the book  

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2003, 08:15:46 pm »
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 Thats a negative sir....As it is suposed to be an obselete design...according to the book  




I'm not saying make it hang over the front like the Galor...I'm just saying move it forward so that it doesn't look like its slanted backwards.  Or alter the shape of the module so it doesn't look that sleek and aerodynamic.  It is an obsolete design, after all.

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2003, 08:19:51 pm »
maybe a variant then...  

Rat_Boy

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2003, 08:26:35 pm »
Well, it works the way it is.  I just pictured something a little "boxier" when I first read about it, that's all.  That's the trouble with most of these ships, there's no description of them.  Good thing the ships from Serpents Among the Ruins have pretty in-depth ones.

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2003, 08:26:37 pm »
RatBoy...I under your point man...but obselete...does not mean that the ship cannot be sleek...that is purely an astetic ideal
But if you want, I do have to make another  Cardassian ship...possibly 2...I would love(if you want) to have you as my advisor on her  

Fury_of_a_Seraph

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2003, 08:54:16 pm »
Well take a look at it like this: The Peek of the Cardassian civilization could be during the Lost Era.
The sleeker ships coming about then and what not, and later on the Galor and the Keldon more boxy and less graceful due to the more utilitarian needs.
It was like that for the Roman Empire and their swords. In the middle or height of the Roman empire they used the Mainz style gladius which was gracefuly made, but later on the used the Pompeii style which is alot more ugly, but alot easier to make...
Interesting, no?  

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2003, 09:01:38 pm »
Great point man!!!!  

sandman69247

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2003, 10:10:16 pm »
I think it's great the way it is. According to the book, the Cardassians are in their expansion phase, early on. They've just conquered Bajor and are active expanding their "sphere of influence". The way I look at it is, that as they became more powerful, the demands of the design and technological advances didn't keep pace with each other, therefore, the design was ahead of it time, though the Cardy's were unable to fully utilize the benefits for decades.


 

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2003, 03:04:17 pm »
bump for the weekend  

sandman69247

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2003, 11:09:18 pm »
another bumperoo for FOAS to find easier.  

Azel

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2003, 06:32:48 pm »
Status report???
Thanks  

sandman69247

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2003, 12:31:46 pm »
Bumpy headed freaks!!! Any news?  

Kaenyne

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2003, 12:39:28 pm »
Yeah, I've been looking forward to seeing this Cardie gettin' finished, too!

She's pretty, and I'm not to fond of the reptiles at that!

sandman69247

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2003, 10:51:03 am »
bumperoony  

sandman69247

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Re: HEY SANDMAN!!!! Lost Era Cardassian Akril-Class Is Done!!!!
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2003, 09:36:32 am »
bump-il-stilskin