Topic: Mirak/Kzinti confusion!!!!

[RockoWillis]

I would like to think of Lyrans and the Kzinti/Marik as both Feline... I mean think of this .. That is why they hate each other so much.. Cats always seem to fight so much and Kzinti in the original table top game ruled in the early era since they where the first to develop and employ drone shuttles (ie the Scatterpacks whe have come to love/hate).  I still have all my original stuff from the "Book Shelf Game" version and I also have a few "Captains Logs" that have even more fun to play with....  I also agree the Andro's where a tough bunch to take out... 1v1 was a hard thing to do.... An Andro ship could, depending on its weight class, easly take on a ship one or even two weight class above it thanks to the PA panels and that god aweful Mauler.... You try to destrot a PA equipted ship and all it seemed to do was feed that Mauler energy to fire right back at you.... the best way to kill a Andro ship was to overload a PA panel and watch the excess power start a explosion that then in turn made the other PA panels absorb that energy and if they were full they would exploded... therefor you get a very nice chain reaction    As a Andro player you had to make sure to use as much power as you could out of the PA panels because any self respecting Andro Captain knew this was what they were gunning for!

Rocko  

[Speaker to Aliens]

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Only psychopaths like myself considered playing the Operation Unity campaign.  

About 15 years ago, around the time of the "Doomsday" edition of SFB, a neighboring war games club challenged us to a battle.  Operation Unity. They would play the Andros. It took all night but we finally won. They had some good tricks though. Firing on their own ship, to load up its PAs and then displacing it into the same hex as our B10 which hads just launched fighters and PFs and then plotting Self-Destruct! It made a terrible mess, (though the B10 did survive the battle).

Oh, and somebody should mention that the Andros had a Displacement Device that could move itself or its target several hexs between one impluse and the next. They also had a device that moved them out of space (above the surface of the board, so to speak), so that, although you might be in the same hex as them, they would be 5 hexes away for the purposes of weapons fire (including drones and plasmas, which had to move "up" 5 hexs after they hit the hex the target was in). I *think* they could only use this on StarBases and other stationary objects.

 

[Rod O'neal]

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Oh, and somebody should mention that the Andros had a Displacement Device that could move itself or its target several hexs between one impluse and the next. They also had a device that moved them out of space (above the surface of the board, so to speak), so that, although you might be in the same hex as them, they would be 5 hexes away for the purposes of weapons fire (including drones and plasmas, which had to move "up" 5 hexs after they hit the hex the target was in). I *think* they could only use this on StarBases and other stationary objects.

 

The "Temporal Elevator". It can move a base *up*, up to 9 hexes. In order for a unit to operate one it has to have positional stabilizers activated. That's what limits it to use only on bases.  

[Speaker to Aliens]

The "Temporal Elevator". It can move a base *up*, up to 9 hexes. In order for a unit to operate one it has to have positional stabilizers activated. That's what limits it to use only on bases.  


Thanks. It's been more than 15 years since I really played SFB. My memory is getting a little hazy. I used to play twice a week, but we were expecting twins. The twins are 15 now, both girls (). Maybe once they start university I can get back to playing again.  

[SSCF Hooch]

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Almost all long term players and the two main SFC fleets, KAT and KOTH, consider themselves to be Kzinti, not Mirak.  D2 Campaigns such as SFC2.net and the Litterbox servers always change the name in the gf files for servers to Kzinti Hegemony instead of the Mirak StarLeague.  

KAT and KOTH both use the Kzinti language, racial traits, and terms in roleplay for all SFC related things, such as fleet organization, (ie:Patriarch being the leader, Dukes being his assistants ect).

Long live the Kzin!  

You forgot to tell that they smell funny, and "lick themselves" and each other too. (ick)  

Hooch, bringer of all the facts  

[Glacier]

I think the original Dispalecement Device (from 20 years ago - before the Temporal Elevator name) could be used against ships.  But that's beside the point.

I was just curious - does anyone know why Task Force Games/ADB chose not to use the proper name for the Andromedan's given in the TOS episode 'By Any Other Name'?  They were from the Kelvan empire.

On appearance - they gave Spock the impression of 'immense beings with hundreds of tentaclelike limbs'.  And they had no concept of physical sensation.  

[Magnum357]

Actually, we really don't know if the Andromadans from SFB are the same people as the ones in that TOS episode.  ADB never mentioned anything what an Andro looked like in SFB or what type of beings they are.  For all we know, they could be intelegent robots.  I have seen that episode you are talking about, but their might be no relation between that race and the Andros in SFB.

[Hstaphath_XC]

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...Only psychopaths like myself considered playing the Operation Unity campaign.  

Actually, Kadh's SFB group played out the Unity campaign a while back and posted the play-by-play of it here:

http://homepage.floodcity.net/users/cymoril99/Unity.htm
 

[TargetDrone]

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Actually, Kadh's SFB group played out the Unity campaign a while back and posted the play-by-play of it here:

http://homepage.floodcity.net/users/cymoril99/Unity.htm
   

I sense your confusion. My group had all of two players. Then again, they actually finished.  

[Hstaphath_XC]

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I sense your confusion. My group had all of two players. Then again, they actually finished.  

LOL, no confusion here!  I'm an ol' SFB'er myself.

Kadh's group did actually finish.  Click on the  Operation Unity Turns  link and then click on the list of turns to see how it all played out.

The final epic battle with the Andromedan Desecrator is found where it says "The current turn is here."

It's almost heartbreaking that Andromeda was only 1 measly point away from having a Devastator for the final battle...
   

[TargetDrone]

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I sense your confusion. My group had all of two players. Then again, they actually finished.  

LOL, no confusion here!  I'm an ol' SFB'er myself.

Kadh's group did actually finish.  Click on the  Operation Unity Turns  link and then click on the list of turns to see how it all played out.

The final epic battle with the Andromedan Desecrator is found where it says "The current turn is here."

It's almost heartbreaking that Andromeda was only 1 measly point away from having a Devastator for the final battle...
   

Bad grammar on my part I guess. Kadh's group actually finished. Good for them! (Too bad for the B10 and Rom SCS that didn't make it through the final battle though.)

I never got even halfway done, even after repeated attempts. With the release of the new Andro stuff in C3, there were too many holes in the original rules that needed patching.

Plus I almost had to shoot my opponent one day after he expected to be allowed to run for 19 turns and recharge his batteries. And not be considered to have disengaged.  

[FatherTed]

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I sense your confusion. My group had all of two players. Then again, they actually finished.  

LOL, no confusion here!  I'm an ol' SFB'er myself.

Kadh's group did actually finish.  Click on the  Operation Unity Turns  link and then click on the list of turns to see how it all played out.

The final epic battle with the Andromedan Desecrator is found where it says "The current turn is here."

It's almost heartbreaking that Andromeda was only 1 measly point away from having a Devastator for the final battle...
   

Bad grammar on my part I guess. Kadh's group actually finished. Good for them! (Too bad for the B10 and Rom SCS that didn't make it through the final battle though.)

I never got even halfway done, even after repeated attempts. With the release of the new Andro stuff in C3, there were too many holes in the original rules that needed patching.

Plus I almost had to shoot my opponent one day after he expected to be allowed to run for 19 turns and recharge his batteries. And not be considered to have disengaged.  

My one attempt at Operation Unity ended when the temporal elevator and PA mines were introduced in C3 as well. But I did have the satisfaction of killing one Dominator and getting to the excess damage line on his second one in the same battle against my Klink/Lyran/Hydran fleet. It cost me my L-SCS, but it was beautiful.    

[Kadh2000]

We finished it and discovered that the Andros really didn't have much of a chance.  We've done some talking with ADB and the forum there came up with a list of things to try.  Because it's the only true epic campaign in SFB, we're going to try it again and see what works and what doesn't.

Toward's the end, our Andro player finally developed a strategy that, had she implemented it sooner, would have posed a major threat to the Galactic success.  She started going all out to kill the biggest ship in our fleet no matter what the cost.  I don't think it would have secured victory, but it would have been a lot tougher fight.  

[DestinyCalling]

Are these guys the same or what???  They appear to be, and I've GOT "Prime Directive" and no mention at all about the "Mirak"..... So are they one and the same or am I missing something???  

[Khalee]

Yes they are the same thing.

They were in one episode of the star trek animated series.

And I guess the person who invented them would not give his blessing on the name being used in the game, hence Mirak instead of Kzinti.

And there were probably other reasons as well.

[IKV Nemesis D7L]

Niven had already licensed the Kzinti for use in the Ringworld game and was contractually unable to consent to their use in SFC.  

[nx_adam_1701]

ahhhhhh, finally i know lol lol, i was wondering the same thing

adam out  thx

[Fluf]

Almost all long term players and the two main SFC fleets, KAT and KOTH, consider themselves to be Kzinti, not Mirak.  D2 Campaigns such as SFC2.net and the Litterbox servers always change the name in the gf files for servers to Kzinti Hegemony instead of the Mirak StarLeague.  

KAT and KOTH both use the Kzinti language, racial traits, and terms in roleplay for all SFC related things, such as fleet organization, (ie:Patriarch being the leader, Dukes being his assistants ect).

Long live the Kzin!  

[762]

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Long live the Kzin!

Arf! Arf!

[TalonClaw]

Long live MiraKzinti !!!!!!!!!!!!