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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2003, 01:19:58 pm »
I agree Enterprise is a good show ,,, it looks nice ,,, people say its boaring ,,,,,,,  if you dont like Enterprise you should watch the first seasons of TNG again    ...  

You cant say that they are great at all......    but I still love it ....  

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2003, 01:22:58 pm »
Best way to end the Enterprise series (hopefully far in the future)
Dr. Sam Beckett leaps into Captain Archer and he slingshots around the sun, going back in time (a la ST 4) to his wife and al and gushie.  T'Pol becomes a teacher in a public high school in Boston, The alien doctor gets a sitcom with Brad Dourif based on their careers as tertiary characters in sci fi/fantasy movies, and the rest of the non-descript cast begin their careers of showing up at conventions and nobody asking for their autographs.
 

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2003, 01:59:36 pm »
As often as I can catch it.

Not to mention T'Pol. Never have I seen a finer tush in all the galaxy.  

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2003, 02:18:13 pm »
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As often as I can catch it.

Not to mention T'Pol. Never have I seen a finer tush in all the galaxy.    





Ditto....can't wait for the pon far episode.

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2003, 02:19:15 pm »
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Yes, but generally dissappointed with it.  They have completely no regarde for the ST:Story line anymore.  First, they were not ment to meet the Klingons intill 2218, not 2163.  Second, whats up with the tricorders??????  And there are loads more things abuot it, but i really can'y be arsed to type them all.  I enjoy it, its good fun, its star trek after all!!! :-) But I think they could have done better.  




First off the show is set in 2251 (now its 2252)

There is little to no evidence that Klingon first contact was in 2218.

According to the Star Trek Chronolgy:

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2218

First Contact with the Klingon Empire.  As a result of this disastrous initial contact with the Klingons, Starfleet thereafter adopts a policy of covert survailence of newly discovered civilizations before first contact is attempted.




However, here is the reasons

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"Day of the Dove."  McCoy noted that Klingons and Humans had been adversaries for 50 years prior to that episode, set in 2268.

Editor's Note: "First Contact" also describes this as having happened "centuries ago," but it is only 144 years before that episode (2367)





"First Contact" is the episode, not the movie.

Adversaries does not imply First Contact, and there is no other reference.  "Centuries Before" is 2167 (or possibly 2151)

So first contact does not have to be 2218.

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2003, 04:15:00 pm »
 
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 There is little to no evidence that Klingon first contact was in 2218.
 




Actully, although I can't say that the instruction booklet for SFC3 is cannon, everything seems to be in order apart from this timeline.  They state that first contact with the Klingons was made in 2218.  Now agian, I say that the manual cannot be considered cannon, par say, but evrything else checks out.

Also, seeing as this is an active thread, I want to ask a question about Zefram Crocram.

Oringinaly didn't he invent the warp drive on a station out in deep space somewhere.  I remmeber a TNG episode where they said that, but then along came "First Contact" and everything They had built up about the warp drive went out the window?? Can someone clear this up for me??

Also, can someone please answer my question about the Tricorders????, When are they going to bring in the Big black ones, or arn't they cos they make %^&$ T.V???

 

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2003, 01:58:52 am »
I have to agree with much of what has been sadi so far.  The show is good but it seems flat somehow. Definitely needs more long term story and character development.  I hate it when the overarching story (i.e. the temporal cold war) only gets advanced in season ending or season beginning shows. The one trick shows can be a bit boring.  

I don't think the writers of the show get the fans.  We are all dying for the roms, gorns, tholians.  I about freaked when I heard the roms were going to be on the show and all we get is one or two shots of the ships although they were very cool.  Damn canon to hell, I want all the TOS races in 'Enterpirse". TOS is static and can't be changed. Are we damned to only get one shot at the Tholians forever because it was with Kirk?  That's crap.

One last thing about the show. The Vulcans don't act very Vulcan, too much emotion.  Perhaps that is good for a dramatic show but it seems screwy.

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2003, 04:19:27 am »
I watch it now and again, we are probably a season behind over here thought. It just dosnt seem to match up to DS9 which was so awsome imo, this is average in comparison.

By the way, I saw it to the end of the series where the captain went forward in time to where Earth had been destroyed and Enterprise was surounded in the persent. It ended there but no one told me when it came back on TV so I missed the start of the next series, please please someone tell me what happened next! I have continued watching on and off after missing this, but I just hate getting out of the story you know.

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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2003, 04:26:03 am »
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I watch it now and again, we are probably a season behind over here thought. It just dosnt seem to match up to DS9 which was so awsome imo, this is average in comparison.

By the way, I saw it to the end of the series where the captain went forward in time to where Earth had been destroyed and Enterprise was surounded in the persent. It ended there but no one told me when it came back on TV so I missed the start of the next series, please please someone tell me what happened next! I have continued watching on and off after missing this, but I just hate getting out of the story you know.  




Everybody died.

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2003, 09:05:36 am »
I still am watching...haven't missed an episode.  Like some, I'm happier with bad Trek than I would be with NO Trek.


Enterprise is pretty good, oftentimes.  There's the weak show here and there.  I'm of a mind to give it more time to develope.  Long(er) story arcs would help.  I find they get me more involved, anyway.  Unlike some, I dug DS9 ans the Dominion War story arc.






 

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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2003, 10:28:10 am »
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I watch it now and again, we are probably a season behind over here thought. It just dosnt seem to match up to DS9 which was so awsome imo, this is average in comparison.

By the way, I saw it to the end of the series where the captain went forward in time to where Earth had been destroyed and Enterprise was surounded in the persent. It ended there but no one told me when it came back on TV so I missed the start of the next series, please please someone tell me what happened next! I have continued watching on and off after missing this, but I just hate getting out of the story you know.  




Everybody died.  




 

Seriously, it would be nice to know is there anywhere I can go to find this info?

Credo Narth

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2003, 11:22:13 am »
Yep, buy every single Trekkie info book you can. That way you'll know to the episode when they start using the diagonal sideburns.

We were talking about this at work here just today. The original TOS season was almost all single, standalone episodes, apart from Pike appearing from the pilot show and Harry Mudd appearing twice. As for Enterprise, well, there's nothing happened before that they can use as a storyline (and they certainly can't use any existing episodes, unless, they're going to play around with the timeline again). But I think that in the third season, that villains past will start making an appearance. The Romulans will come back, and so will the Klingons, maybe even that robotic space station they went to to repair themselves after they twatted themselves with the mines.

My vote is give it time. I think that the third season will be a lot more involving. in the meantime, I'll just continue watching T'Pol's derriere.  

 

Alidar Jarok

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2003, 11:25:38 am »
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I watch it now and again, we are probably a season behind over here thought. It just dosnt seem to match up to DS9 which was so awsome imo, this is average in comparison.

By the way, I saw it to the end of the series where the captain went forward in time to where Earth had been destroyed and Enterprise was surounded in the persent. It ended there but no one told me when it came back on TV so I missed the start of the next series, please please someone tell me what happened next! I have continued watching on and off after missing this, but I just hate getting out of the story you know.  




When Archer was brought into the future, he was unable to found the Federation. Because of this, Earth was destroyed, along with the time portals.  Silik and the Sulliban boarded Enterprise and held the crew captive.  Along with Daneils help, Archers communicator was reconfigured to comunicate a message to T'Pol back on Enterprise.  The crew manage to sneak into Daniels quarters (which were sealed to prevent the anybody from stealing any of the future technology.  They got what they needed, and Silik materialized outside the door.  They told him that it was used to contact the future.  He took it back to his ship to contact the "evil future guy"
Archer materialized out of the portal that the future guy talked through.  He takes Silik hostage and starts off in a cell ship.  He rondevous with Enterprise and leaves Silik behind.

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2003, 11:29:02 am »
And THEN everone died!  

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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2003, 11:34:59 am »
It turned out that Daniels pulling Archer into the future caused the cancellation (or destruction) of the NX project (otherwise known as the Warp 5 Project).  Which left Earth wide open for an attack by a post-Federation threat (since the Warp 5  project was cancelled the Federation was never founded)  I have a number of theories as to who was responsible for the destruction of Earth, but I wont go into them since they are, of course, my opinion and not something that was disclosed on the screen.  T'Pol convinced Silik that Acher was not on board and the Suliban siezed the ship and took it to a helix in a nebula.  Meanwhile Archer and Daniels are scouring through a library (Books! With Paper!) attempting to discover where the timeline screwed up.  Archer discovers a book entitled the Romulan Star Empire, and takes it off the shelf, but he barely gets the cover opened before Daniels tells him that he should put it back. Daniels puts together a device, (from Archer's Communicator and Scanner) to send a message to the past.   Back to the Present,  the crew gets the ability to take to each other by wiring the door comms together.  They make a plan to retake their ship, Tucker goes to fake a reactor breach, while Reed just happens to get caught while getting into Daneils' Quarters,  Reed gets interrogated and convivnces the Suliban that the device he pulled out of Daniels' Quarters is something that the Suliban can use to contact someone in the future, and that Archer had instructed him to destroy it before he left.  The Suliban were happy to get their hands on this piece of technology since after Archer was pulled through, they lost contact with thier master from the future.  Silik works to get the device to work, lost as he is without direction from the future, meanwhile the Reactor breach starts and the Suliban abandon ship and tow Enterprise out of the Nebula, no sooner than the Suliban Cell Ships reenter the nebula does the explosions stop and Enterprise jumps into high warp. (well Warp 4ish if you can call that high warp).  Silik gets thje device work and is trying to explain, through a very bad connection that Archer wasnt aboard Enterprise (he seems to think that the reason his master isn't talking to him is because he failed to get Archer).  He was very surprised to see Archer jump through the device and deck him with a single punch.  Archer hijacks a cell ship and heads to Enterprise, which is under attack from a number of other cell ships, but he convinces the Suliban to break off the attack, "I know it isnt exactly Starfleet policy, but I took a hostage."  The Vulcans dont want to buy any of Enterprise's excuses, especially Soval (Romulan Tal Shiar anyone?), but in the end T'Pol speaks out for the Enterprise crew and the mision is allowed to continue.  

Alidar Jarok

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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2003, 12:27:25 pm »
What he said.

Might want to read This  

Blitzkrieg

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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2003, 12:47:45 pm »
Thanks a lot for the info guys  

Quite interesting that, will have to watch it somehow!

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2003, 01:07:21 pm »
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As often as I can catch it.

Not to mention T'Pol. Never have I seen a finer tush in all the galaxy.    





Ditto....can't wait for the pon far episode.  





I actually prefer 7of9's butt. The T'Pol chick isn't nearly as sexualized as 7 was in Voyager.  They shot 7 purposely in long and full body shots so that you could get a good look at her.  It's really rather shameful and obvious how they bring in the hot chick in the body-hugging oufit and don't think we don't see it for what it is.  Anyway, that's not to say I wouldn't take some pleasure in giving the vulcan a nice bite on the butt.  Those who wish to see more of the full-lipped vixen can look in Maxim I think.  The second set of shots are much better than the first.  And keep your hands on the keyboard, PERVERTS!

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2003, 03:13:41 pm »
  Do yourselves a big favour, and remember something. TOS has never, ever, EVER agreed with ANYTHING done on a later series. Examining previous episodes, I come to the conclusion that there are two distinct Star Trek timelines.

1.     Gene Roddenburry (until season 4 TNG)
2.     Post Roddenburry

Enterprise falls into the later category. Anything that Roddenburry ever said has been thrown out. Enterprise is the TOS of the second timeline. While this is far from anything official in terms of cannon, if you keep in mind that you must discuss the first half of TNG and all of TOS SEPERATELY from the rest of star trek, it really does work. Sad, but true.

Alexander
 

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Re: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ?
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2003, 03:29:46 pm »
Allow me to direct your attentions to what Mr. Roddenberry once said before he passed away...

"If it's not on film, i'ts not canon."

I believe someone else at LucasFilm once said the same thing about the Star Wars franchise.

So you see, since Rick Berman was entrusted to be the spearhead of everything that is Star Trek, with Roddenberry and Paramount's blessings, anything Berman does on film, IS canon. Like it or not. Deal with it...