Topic: Anyone still watching "Enterprise" ? (Read 13884 times)

Mentat Jon · « **on:** February 12, 2003, 08:47:27 pm »

yeah I know,Ive posted this in the OT,but some of you guys dont go down to that hell hole

I am for my part,I like it,Better than voyager (yeah i know Damning with faint Praise)

Green · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2003, 08:49:14 pm »

Never miss an episode ...

E_Look · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2003, 08:56:07 pm »

Yes! And I do enjoy most of them. Last week's was entertaining enough, but a bit preachy on the liberal side. It was a minor "bug". I do think the show is getting better in general as time goes on. Originally, I fretted that it wasn't "canon"; at least not the canon most of us were used to, but hey, so what? It's still pretty good space opera entertainment.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2003, 09:01:54 pm »

I would still be, but no UPN where I live. When I was watching I had a freind that was going some where that had UPN once a week for the first year of it.

Scarrita · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2003, 09:14:13 pm »

I'm still watching, but getting incredibly bored with it.
There isn't enough in-depth character development and the writers need to pick an ongoing storyline, all this one episode storyline crap has been done to death... We need expanded stories here. Look at how that changed DS9 around.

Well that and it is just getting boring. If there wasn't anything else to watch in the 8-9 (ET) timeslot, while I'm waiting for Angel to come on, I'd probably not be watching TV at all.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2003, 10:00:56 pm »

Nothing has done a story line to what "Babylon 5" did. They had a secound spin off show sloted to start, but has to happen.

Just wish they would rerun "Crusade" for more then one running in a two week time that doesn't even get advertised....ouch bad move for them. Trying to get it rateings but forget to inform any one other then fan clubs that look for every thought of a crack of info.

Arcilte · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2003, 10:07:44 pm »

Tonights episode was good. Next weeks looks good too. Lot of action... I like.

THORN · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2003, 10:47:41 pm »

the answer is yes .... i still watch enterprise .....i havent missed an episode

i like the show very much, and think many have been overly critical. while i do admit some aspects of the show have "stretched" the limits of established canon. once u get over the fact that the show looks and feels decades ahead of TOS its quite enjoyable.

voyager was also not that bad a show. personally, ill watch any trek show. in my humble universe bad trek is infinately more prefferable to NO trek. (the only exception was DS9 -- which sucked ass!!! B5 was light years better!!!)

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:17:15 pm »

Yeah, still watching, and taping. Last weeks episode was one of the most disappointing, imho. Way too preachy, and who are they preaching to? Geez, it's like they were preaching about attitudes from 1984 or something, and to Trek fans? I found it in fairly bad taste, and somewhat poorly written.

I did enjoy this weeks episode though. I like the dual continuing storylines of the temp-cold war, and the Vulcan/Andorian tensions (could they be related?).

I do wish they would have more storyline episodes, or at least find a way to tie in little bits here and there if they are going to do a bunch of fillers, and for the record, I kind of liked a night in sickbay. lol. In some ways, I think this is the best Trek since the original series. More human than TNG and better stories than most post TOS stuff too.

I remember reading an interview when TNG started and they were asked if they were going to be following in the footsteps of TOS. The response was that they were going to be forging their own ground and not relying on what happened in TOS so much. I had to laugh when they had the episodes where they referenced occurance or disease/syndrome X that first occured on the "original" Enterprise under the command of Captain Kirk. So much for that eh? Anyhow, I'm liking Enterprise so far, just think they need to decrease the time between the storyline episodes, somtimes I wonder if the storyline was abandoned, but they eventually come back. Filler should be the exception, not the rule.

NCC2012 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:25:42 pm »

I'm still watching Enterprise , but I don't devote time to it like I had with the other shows. For the most part, the shows haven't been all that bad. They'd be better if they were to stand on their own since I've seen rehashed story ideas which bugs me.

As far as DS9, that was my favorite series after it introduced the Jem'Hadar. If people were looking for ship combat, this was the series for it. And the damage was a lot more believable than on Voyager . How likely was it for the ship to sustain that much damage through the series and still look that good and clean? That show just didn't sit well with me at all as a whole. Still, that had some pretty good episodes.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:06:31 am »

Yes, I watch it. It's entertaining, but unfortunately, it is too often allegorical. That, and T'Pol seems to have joined the Captain Archer Fan Club. First officers are SUPPOSED to disagree constantly with their captains, even at the end, for a bit of light humour. Remember Spock? It was his trademark!

Still a great show though

Alexander

NCC2012 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:22:21 am »

Saturday night used to be the best night in TV around here: Enterprise at 10:35pm, Dr. Who at 11:30pm, Battlebots at 12:30am, and South Park at 1am.

shadow-viper · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2003, 04:19:31 am »

YES I never miss it unless its a re-run!

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2003, 04:21:10 am »

I try to watch it but most of the time I'm too busy.

StarTrekcaptain · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2003, 09:54:08 am »

Yes, but generally dissappointed with it. They have completely no regarde for the ST:Story line anymore. First, they were not ment to meet the Klingons intill 2218, not 2163. Second, whats up with the tricorders?????? And there are loads more things abuot it, but i really can'y be arsed to type them all. I enjoy it, its good fun, its star trek after all!!! :-) But I think they could have done better.

Maxillius · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2003, 10:08:32 am »

Quote:

Yes, but generally dissappointed with it. They have completely no regarde for the ST:Story line anymore. First, they were not ment to meet the Klingons intill 2218, not 2163. Second, whats up with the tricorders?????? And there are loads more things abuot it, but i really can'y be arsed to type them all. I enjoy it, its good fun, its star trek after all!!! :-) But I think they could have done better.

I thought Enterprise was 10 years before the founding of the Federation, so that would make first contact with the Klingons be 2153, right?

oh, I hardly ever watch TV, and the times I do catch this show, I've already seen it

Saw the dog one twice

shadpwriath · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2003, 10:44:30 am »

Umm, one of the biggest goof ups in the time line that i've heard about in the show was the contact with !!Ferengi's!!. Wasn't TGN when that happened?

Lono · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2003, 11:13:24 am »

I watched again last night after missing several episodes.

I'm sorry, I can't quite pin it down, but the show holds almost no interest for me...

And I even liked Voyager a lot of the time.

Enterprise just doesn't go anywhere... T'pol needs to be killed of, like Tasha Yar was.... and the writers all need to be fired!

Maybe Paramount should have some guts and start hiring a few fan writers to consult on future episodes.

The actors are all decent, (except T'pol), they just need better material.

I've actually found the doctor (*cough* Nelix knock off *cough* ) to be one of the better characters in the new series.

With a little character development, and sum half decent plots this show could kick some serious butt !

How bout it Paramount - r u chicken !! Buck Buck Buck !!!

David Ferrell · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2003, 11:54:55 am »

I catch most of the new episodes on their first run.

Last night there was a Futurama on Cartoon Network that I had somehow missed, so I'll catch that Enterprise
in re-runs.

Enterprise is a good show, once you get over the fact that it is heresy.

Thanks,

Dave

Subspace · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:19:58 pm »

I agree Enterprise is a good show ,,, it looks nice ,,, people say its boaring ,,,,,,, if you dont like Enterprise you should watch the first seasons of TNG again ...

You cant say that they are great at all...... but I still love it ....

Artie · « **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:22:58 pm »

Best way to end the Enterprise series (hopefully far in the future)
Dr. Sam Beckett leaps into Captain Archer and he slingshots around the sun, going back in time (a la ST 4) to his wife and al and gushie. T'Pol becomes a teacher in a public high school in Boston, The alien doctor gets a sitcom with Brad Dourif based on their careers as tertiary characters in sci fi/fantasy movies, and the rest of the non-descript cast begin their careers of showing up at conventions and nobody asking for their autographs.

Akhilles · « **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:59:36 pm »

As often as I can catch it.

Not to mention T'Pol. Never have I seen a finer tush in all the galaxy.

Lepton1 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 14, 2003, 01:58:52 am »

I have to agree with much of what has been sadi so far. The show is good but it seems flat somehow. Definitely needs more long term story and character development. I hate it when the overarching story (i.e. the temporal cold war) only gets advanced in season ending or season beginning shows. The one trick shows can be a bit boring.

I don't think the writers of the show get the fans. We are all dying for the roms, gorns, tholians. I about freaked when I heard the roms were going to be on the show and all we get is one or two shots of the ships although they were very cool. Damn canon to hell, I want all the TOS races in 'Enterpirse". TOS is static and can't be changed. Are we damned to only get one shot at the Tholians forever because it was with Kirk? That's crap.

One last thing about the show. The Vulcans don't act very Vulcan, too much emotion. Perhaps that is good for a dramatic show but it seems screwy.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #27 on:** February 14, 2003, 04:19:27 am »

I watch it now and again, we are probably a season behind over here thought. It just dosnt seem to match up to DS9 which was so awsome imo, this is average in comparison.

By the way, I saw it to the end of the series where the captain went forward in time to where Earth had been destroyed and Enterprise was surounded in the persent. It ended there but no one told me when it came back on TV so I missed the start of the next series, please please someone tell me what happened next! I have continued watching on and off after missing this, but I just hate getting out of the story you know.

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #29 on:** February 14, 2003, 09:05:36 am »

I still am watching...haven't missed an episode. Like some, I'm happier with bad Trek than I would be with NO Trek.

Enterprise is pretty good, oftentimes. There's the weak show here and there. I'm of a mind to give it more time to develope. Long(er) story arcs would help. I find they get me more involved, anyway. Unlike some, I dug DS9 ans the Dominion War story arc.

Credo Narth · « **Reply #31 on:** February 14, 2003, 11:22:13 am »

Yep, buy every single Trekkie info book you can. That way you'll know to the episode when they start using the diagonal sideburns.

We were talking about this at work here just today. The original TOS season was almost all single, standalone episodes, apart from Pike appearing from the pilot show and Harry Mudd appearing twice. As for Enterprise, well, there's nothing happened before that they can use as a storyline (and they certainly can't use any existing episodes, unless, they're going to play around with the timeline again). But I think that in the third season, that villains past will start making an appearance. The Romulans will come back, and so will the Klingons, maybe even that robotic space station they went to to repair themselves after they twatted themselves with the mines.

My vote is give it time. I think that the third season will be a lot more involving. in the meantime, I'll just continue watching T'Pol's derriere.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #33 on:** February 14, 2003, 11:29:02 am »

And THEN everone died!

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #34 on:** February 14, 2003, 11:34:59 am »

It turned out that Daniels pulling Archer into the future caused the cancellation (or destruction) of the NX project (otherwise known as the Warp 5 Project). Which left Earth wide open for an attack by a post-Federation threat (since the Warp 5 project was cancelled the Federation was never founded) I have a number of theories as to who was responsible for the destruction of Earth, but I wont go into them since they are, of course, my opinion and not something that was disclosed on the screen. T'Pol convinced Silik that Acher was not on board and the Suliban siezed the ship and took it to a helix in a nebula. Meanwhile Archer and Daniels are scouring through a library (Books! With Paper!) attempting to discover where the timeline screwed up. Archer discovers a book entitled the Romulan Star Empire, and takes it off the shelf, but he barely gets the cover opened before Daniels tells him that he should put it back. Daniels puts together a device, (from Archer's Communicator and Scanner) to send a message to the past. Back to the Present, the crew gets the ability to take to each other by wiring the door comms together. They make a plan to retake their ship, Tucker goes to fake a reactor breach, while Reed just happens to get caught while getting into Daneils' Quarters, Reed gets interrogated and convivnces the Suliban that the device he pulled out of Daniels' Quarters is something that the Suliban can use to contact someone in the future, and that Archer had instructed him to destroy it before he left. The Suliban were happy to get their hands on this piece of technology since after Archer was pulled through, they lost contact with thier master from the future. Silik works to get the device to work, lost as he is without direction from the future, meanwhile the Reactor breach starts and the Suliban abandon ship and tow Enterprise out of the Nebula, no sooner than the Suliban Cell Ships reenter the nebula does the explosions stop and Enterprise jumps into high warp. (well Warp 4ish if you can call that high warp). Silik gets thje device work and is trying to explain, through a very bad connection that Archer wasnt aboard Enterprise (he seems to think that the reason his master isn't talking to him is because he failed to get Archer). He was very surprised to see Archer jump through the device and deck him with a single punch. Archer hijacks a cell ship and heads to Enterprise, which is under attack from a number of other cell ships, but he convinces the Suliban to break off the attack, "I know it isnt exactly Starfleet policy, but I took a hostage." The Vulcans dont want to buy any of Enterprise's excuses, especially Soval (Romulan Tal Shiar anyone?), but in the end T'Pol speaks out for the Enterprise crew and the mision is allowed to continue.

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #35 on:** February 14, 2003, 12:27:25 pm »

What he said.

Might want to read This

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #36 on:** February 14, 2003, 12:47:45 pm »

Thanks a lot for the info guys

Quite interesting that, will have to watch it somehow!

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 15, 2003, 03:13:41 pm »

Do yourselves a big favour, and remember something. TOS has never, ever, EVER agreed with ANYTHING done on a later series. Examining previous episodes, I come to the conclusion that there are two distinct Star Trek timelines.

1. Gene Roddenburry (until season 4 TNG)
2. Post Roddenburry

Enterprise falls into the later category. Anything that Roddenburry ever said has been thrown out. Enterprise is the TOS of the second timeline. While this is far from anything official in terms of cannon, if you keep in mind that you must discuss the first half of TNG and all of TOS SEPERATELY from the rest of star trek, it really does work. Sad, but true.

Alexander

ChamadaIV · « **Reply #39 on:** February 15, 2003, 03:29:46 pm »

Allow me to direct your attentions to what Mr. Roddenberry once said before he passed away...

"If it's not on film, i'ts not canon."

I believe someone else at LucasFilm once said the same thing about the Star Wars franchise.

So you see, since Rick Berman was entrusted to be the spearhead of everything that is Star Trek, with Roddenberry and Paramount's blessings, anything Berman does on film, IS canon. Like it or not. Deal with it...

Primus2003 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 15, 2003, 04:14:52 pm »

We still are, it has been quite good overall. Certainly quite unique in its own way a departure from the other Star Treks. Though someone mentioned a continuing storyline would really help. This person referenced DS9 as an example. That is true when DS9 did that I felt it became an extremely strong series and never missed an ep. I am an original and TMP generation fan. THough I enjoyed THe Next Generation Just as much grew up with that 2 really I was in only in jr high when it started. Off track there. TIme will tell I hope something like that the cont story line does evolve. That and someone hooks up on the show. Might make things interesting ie if Tpol takes an interest in Archer and if there was a female version of Ponn Farr that would be very facinating or entertaining. Seriously it seems to be doing a good job for now let the trails lead where they may and we look forward to more enjoyable Enterprise Eps.

Mentat Jon · « **Reply #41 on:** February 16, 2003, 10:40:33 am »

And Enterprise is only going to get Better,Remember it took a few years for next Gen to get real good,Enterprise is already good and its only in year two.

Zenister · « **Reply #43 on:** February 16, 2003, 11:20:06 pm »

well it would kind of have to since it really cant get much worse...

and i thought TNG was bad about lead pipe social commentary plots... geeezzz

no. not again..everytime i try to give it another chance it proves what utter drivel it can be..

Mentat Jon · « **Reply #44 on:** February 12, 2003, 08:47:27 pm »

yeah I know,Ive posted this in the OT,but some of you guys dont go down to that hell hole

I am for my part,I like it,Better than voyager (yeah i know Damning with faint Praise)

Green · « **Reply #45 on:** February 12, 2003, 08:49:14 pm »

Never miss an episode ...

E_Look · « **Reply #46 on:** February 12, 2003, 08:56:07 pm »

Yes! And I do enjoy most of them. Last week's was entertaining enough, but a bit preachy on the liberal side. It was a minor "bug". I do think the show is getting better in general as time goes on. Originally, I fretted that it wasn't "canon"; at least not the canon most of us were used to, but hey, so what? It's still pretty good space opera entertainment.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #47 on:** February 12, 2003, 09:01:54 pm »

I would still be, but no UPN where I live. When I was watching I had a freind that was going some where that had UPN once a week for the first year of it.

Scarrita · « **Reply #48 on:** February 12, 2003, 09:14:13 pm »

I'm still watching, but getting incredibly bored with it.
There isn't enough in-depth character development and the writers need to pick an ongoing storyline, all this one episode storyline crap has been done to death... We need expanded stories here. Look at how that changed DS9 around.

Well that and it is just getting boring. If there wasn't anything else to watch in the 8-9 (ET) timeslot, while I'm waiting for Angel to come on, I'd probably not be watching TV at all.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #49 on:** February 12, 2003, 10:00:56 pm »

Nothing has done a story line to what "Babylon 5" did. They had a secound spin off show sloted to start, but has to happen.

Just wish they would rerun "Crusade" for more then one running in a two week time that doesn't even get advertised....ouch bad move for them. Trying to get it rateings but forget to inform any one other then fan clubs that look for every thought of a crack of info.

Arcilte · « **Reply #50 on:** February 12, 2003, 10:07:44 pm »

Tonights episode was good. Next weeks looks good too. Lot of action... I like.

THORN · « **Reply #51 on:** February 12, 2003, 10:47:41 pm »

the answer is yes .... i still watch enterprise .....i havent missed an episode

i like the show very much, and think many have been overly critical. while i do admit some aspects of the show have "stretched" the limits of established canon. once u get over the fact that the show looks and feels decades ahead of TOS its quite enjoyable.

voyager was also not that bad a show. personally, ill watch any trek show. in my humble universe bad trek is infinately more prefferable to NO trek. (the only exception was DS9 -- which sucked ass!!! B5 was light years better!!!)

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #52 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:17:15 pm »

Yeah, still watching, and taping. Last weeks episode was one of the most disappointing, imho. Way too preachy, and who are they preaching to? Geez, it's like they were preaching about attitudes from 1984 or something, and to Trek fans? I found it in fairly bad taste, and somewhat poorly written.

I did enjoy this weeks episode though. I like the dual continuing storylines of the temp-cold war, and the Vulcan/Andorian tensions (could they be related?).

I do wish they would have more storyline episodes, or at least find a way to tie in little bits here and there if they are going to do a bunch of fillers, and for the record, I kind of liked a night in sickbay. lol. In some ways, I think this is the best Trek since the original series. More human than TNG and better stories than most post TOS stuff too.

I remember reading an interview when TNG started and they were asked if they were going to be following in the footsteps of TOS. The response was that they were going to be forging their own ground and not relying on what happened in TOS so much. I had to laugh when they had the episodes where they referenced occurance or disease/syndrome X that first occured on the "original" Enterprise under the command of Captain Kirk. So much for that eh? Anyhow, I'm liking Enterprise so far, just think they need to decrease the time between the storyline episodes, somtimes I wonder if the storyline was abandoned, but they eventually come back. Filler should be the exception, not the rule.

NCC2012 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 12, 2003, 11:25:42 pm »

I'm still watching Enterprise , but I don't devote time to it like I had with the other shows. For the most part, the shows haven't been all that bad. They'd be better if they were to stand on their own since I've seen rehashed story ideas which bugs me.

As far as DS9, that was my favorite series after it introduced the Jem'Hadar. If people were looking for ship combat, this was the series for it. And the damage was a lot more believable than on Voyager . How likely was it for the ship to sustain that much damage through the series and still look that good and clean? That show just didn't sit well with me at all as a whole. Still, that had some pretty good episodes.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:06:31 am »

Yes, I watch it. It's entertaining, but unfortunately, it is too often allegorical. That, and T'Pol seems to have joined the Captain Archer Fan Club. First officers are SUPPOSED to disagree constantly with their captains, even at the end, for a bit of light humour. Remember Spock? It was his trademark!

Still a great show though

Alexander

NCC2012 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 13, 2003, 12:22:21 am »

Saturday night used to be the best night in TV around here: Enterprise at 10:35pm, Dr. Who at 11:30pm, Battlebots at 12:30am, and South Park at 1am.

shadow-viper · « **Reply #56 on:** February 13, 2003, 04:19:31 am »

YES I never miss it unless its a re-run!

Captain KoraH · « **Reply #57 on:** February 13, 2003, 04:21:10 am »

I try to watch it but most of the time I'm too busy.

StarTrekcaptain · « **Reply #58 on:** February 13, 2003, 09:54:08 am »

Yes, but generally dissappointed with it. They have completely no regarde for the ST:Story line anymore. First, they were not ment to meet the Klingons intill 2218, not 2163. Second, whats up with the tricorders?????? And there are loads more things abuot it, but i really can'y be arsed to type them all. I enjoy it, its good fun, its star trek after all!!! :-) But I think they could have done better.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #61 on:** February 13, 2003, 10:44:30 am »

Umm, one of the biggest goof ups in the time line that i've heard about in the show was the contact with !!Ferengi's!!. Wasn't TGN when that happened?

Lono · « **Reply #62 on:** February 13, 2003, 11:13:24 am »

I watched again last night after missing several episodes.

I'm sorry, I can't quite pin it down, but the show holds almost no interest for me...

And I even liked Voyager a lot of the time.

Enterprise just doesn't go anywhere... T'pol needs to be killed of, like Tasha Yar was.... and the writers all need to be fired!

Maybe Paramount should have some guts and start hiring a few fan writers to consult on future episodes.

The actors are all decent, (except T'pol), they just need better material.

I've actually found the doctor (*cough* Nelix knock off *cough* ) to be one of the better characters in the new series.

With a little character development, and sum half decent plots this show could kick some serious butt !

How bout it Paramount - r u chicken !! Buck Buck Buck !!!

David Ferrell · « **Reply #63 on:** February 13, 2003, 11:54:55 am »

I catch most of the new episodes on their first run.

Last night there was a Futurama on Cartoon Network that I had somehow missed, so I'll catch that Enterprise
in re-runs.

Enterprise is a good show, once you get over the fact that it is heresy.

Thanks,

Dave

Subspace · « **Reply #64 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:19:58 pm »

I agree Enterprise is a good show ,,, it looks nice ,,, people say its boaring ,,,,,,, if you dont like Enterprise you should watch the first seasons of TNG again ...

You cant say that they are great at all...... but I still love it ....

Artie · « **Reply #65 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:22:58 pm »

Best way to end the Enterprise series (hopefully far in the future)
Dr. Sam Beckett leaps into Captain Archer and he slingshots around the sun, going back in time (a la ST 4) to his wife and al and gushie. T'Pol becomes a teacher in a public high school in Boston, The alien doctor gets a sitcom with Brad Dourif based on their careers as tertiary characters in sci fi/fantasy movies, and the rest of the non-descript cast begin their careers of showing up at conventions and nobody asking for their autographs.

Akhilles · « **Reply #66 on:** February 13, 2003, 01:59:36 pm »

As often as I can catch it.

Not to mention T'Pol. Never have I seen a finer tush in all the galaxy.

Lepton1 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 14, 2003, 01:58:52 am »

I have to agree with much of what has been sadi so far. The show is good but it seems flat somehow. Definitely needs more long term story and character development. I hate it when the overarching story (i.e. the temporal cold war) only gets advanced in season ending or season beginning shows. The one trick shows can be a bit boring.

I don't think the writers of the show get the fans. We are all dying for the roms, gorns, tholians. I about freaked when I heard the roms were going to be on the show and all we get is one or two shots of the ships although they were very cool. Damn canon to hell, I want all the TOS races in 'Enterpirse". TOS is static and can't be changed. Are we damned to only get one shot at the Tholians forever because it was with Kirk? That's crap.

One last thing about the show. The Vulcans don't act very Vulcan, too much emotion. Perhaps that is good for a dramatic show but it seems screwy.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #71 on:** February 14, 2003, 04:19:27 am »

I watch it now and again, we are probably a season behind over here thought. It just dosnt seem to match up to DS9 which was so awsome imo, this is average in comparison.

By the way, I saw it to the end of the series where the captain went forward in time to where Earth had been destroyed and Enterprise was surounded in the persent. It ended there but no one told me when it came back on TV so I missed the start of the next series, please please someone tell me what happened next! I have continued watching on and off after missing this, but I just hate getting out of the story you know.

KBF-Dogmatix · « **Reply #73 on:** February 14, 2003, 09:05:36 am »

I still am watching...haven't missed an episode. Like some, I'm happier with bad Trek than I would be with NO Trek.

Enterprise is pretty good, oftentimes. There's the weak show here and there. I'm of a mind to give it more time to develope. Long(er) story arcs would help. I find they get me more involved, anyway. Unlike some, I dug DS9 ans the Dominion War story arc.

Credo Narth · « **Reply #75 on:** February 14, 2003, 11:22:13 am »

Yep, buy every single Trekkie info book you can. That way you'll know to the episode when they start using the diagonal sideburns.

We were talking about this at work here just today. The original TOS season was almost all single, standalone episodes, apart from Pike appearing from the pilot show and Harry Mudd appearing twice. As for Enterprise, well, there's nothing happened before that they can use as a storyline (and they certainly can't use any existing episodes, unless, they're going to play around with the timeline again). But I think that in the third season, that villains past will start making an appearance. The Romulans will come back, and so will the Klingons, maybe even that robotic space station they went to to repair themselves after they twatted themselves with the mines.

My vote is give it time. I think that the third season will be a lot more involving. in the meantime, I'll just continue watching T'Pol's derriere.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #77 on:** February 14, 2003, 11:29:02 am »

And THEN everone died!

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #78 on:** February 14, 2003, 11:34:59 am »

It turned out that Daniels pulling Archer into the future caused the cancellation (or destruction) of the NX project (otherwise known as the Warp 5 Project). Which left Earth wide open for an attack by a post-Federation threat (since the Warp 5 project was cancelled the Federation was never founded) I have a number of theories as to who was responsible for the destruction of Earth, but I wont go into them since they are, of course, my opinion and not something that was disclosed on the screen. T'Pol convinced Silik that Acher was not on board and the Suliban siezed the ship and took it to a helix in a nebula. Meanwhile Archer and Daniels are scouring through a library (Books! With Paper!) attempting to discover where the timeline screwed up. Archer discovers a book entitled the Romulan Star Empire, and takes it off the shelf, but he barely gets the cover opened before Daniels tells him that he should put it back. Daniels puts together a device, (from Archer's Communicator and Scanner) to send a message to the past. Back to the Present, the crew gets the ability to take to each other by wiring the door comms together. They make a plan to retake their ship, Tucker goes to fake a reactor breach, while Reed just happens to get caught while getting into Daneils' Quarters, Reed gets interrogated and convivnces the Suliban that the device he pulled out of Daniels' Quarters is something that the Suliban can use to contact someone in the future, and that Archer had instructed him to destroy it before he left. The Suliban were happy to get their hands on this piece of technology since after Archer was pulled through, they lost contact with thier master from the future. Silik works to get the device to work, lost as he is without direction from the future, meanwhile the Reactor breach starts and the Suliban abandon ship and tow Enterprise out of the Nebula, no sooner than the Suliban Cell Ships reenter the nebula does the explosions stop and Enterprise jumps into high warp. (well Warp 4ish if you can call that high warp). Silik gets thje device work and is trying to explain, through a very bad connection that Archer wasnt aboard Enterprise (he seems to think that the reason his master isn't talking to him is because he failed to get Archer). He was very surprised to see Archer jump through the device and deck him with a single punch. Archer hijacks a cell ship and heads to Enterprise, which is under attack from a number of other cell ships, but he convinces the Suliban to break off the attack, "I know it isnt exactly Starfleet policy, but I took a hostage." The Vulcans dont want to buy any of Enterprise's excuses, especially Soval (Romulan Tal Shiar anyone?), but in the end T'Pol speaks out for the Enterprise crew and the mision is allowed to continue.

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #79 on:** February 14, 2003, 12:27:25 pm »

What he said.

Might want to read This

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #80 on:** February 14, 2003, 12:47:45 pm »

Thanks a lot for the info guys

Quite interesting that, will have to watch it somehow!

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #82 on:** February 15, 2003, 03:13:41 pm »

Do yourselves a big favour, and remember something. TOS has never, ever, EVER agreed with ANYTHING done on a later series. Examining previous episodes, I come to the conclusion that there are two distinct Star Trek timelines.

1. Gene Roddenburry (until season 4 TNG)
2. Post Roddenburry

Enterprise falls into the later category. Anything that Roddenburry ever said has been thrown out. Enterprise is the TOS of the second timeline. While this is far from anything official in terms of cannon, if you keep in mind that you must discuss the first half of TNG and all of TOS SEPERATELY from the rest of star trek, it really does work. Sad, but true.

Alexander

ChamadaIV · « **Reply #83 on:** February 15, 2003, 03:29:46 pm »

Allow me to direct your attentions to what Mr. Roddenberry once said before he passed away...

"If it's not on film, i'ts not canon."

I believe someone else at LucasFilm once said the same thing about the Star Wars franchise.

So you see, since Rick Berman was entrusted to be the spearhead of everything that is Star Trek, with Roddenberry and Paramount's blessings, anything Berman does on film, IS canon. Like it or not. Deal with it...

Primus2003 · « **Reply #84 on:** February 15, 2003, 04:14:52 pm »

We still are, it has been quite good overall. Certainly quite unique in its own way a departure from the other Star Treks. Though someone mentioned a continuing storyline would really help. This person referenced DS9 as an example. That is true when DS9 did that I felt it became an extremely strong series and never missed an ep. I am an original and TMP generation fan. THough I enjoyed THe Next Generation Just as much grew up with that 2 really I was in only in jr high when it started. Off track there. TIme will tell I hope something like that the cont story line does evolve. That and someone hooks up on the show. Might make things interesting ie if Tpol takes an interest in Archer and if there was a female version of Ponn Farr that would be very facinating or entertaining. Seriously it seems to be doing a good job for now let the trails lead where they may and we look forward to more enjoyable Enterprise Eps.

Mentat Jon · « **Reply #85 on:** February 16, 2003, 10:40:33 am »

And Enterprise is only going to get Better,Remember it took a few years for next Gen to get real good,Enterprise is already good and its only in year two.

Zenister · « **Reply #87 on:** February 16, 2003, 11:20:06 pm »

well it would kind of have to since it really cant get much worse...

and i thought TNG was bad about lead pipe social commentary plots... geeezzz

no. not again..everytime i try to give it another chance it proves what utter drivel it can be..

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