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Lord Delekhan

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Killerhawk Released *DELETED*
« on: October 27, 2003, 04:09:01 pm »
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Clark Kent

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2003, 04:35:31 pm »
It's so...BIG

Captain KoraH

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2003, 04:52:21 pm »
Cool, more Romulans!

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2003, 04:56:06 pm »
It's a good start, however it needs alot more detail in the textures. Especially being as huge as it is.

Lord Delekhan

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2003, 06:12:52 pm »
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It's a good start, however it needs alot more detail in the textures. Especially being as huge as it is.  




It is as detailed as I felt it should be, you might see it as a start, I see it as a finished work. It has a lot of refined lines, and both structural and texturing details. Additional clutter would not enhance its appearance, in fact in my opinion that would detract from the elegant line it cuts right now. Sometimes less is more.

Thanks for the feedback, and do keep those cards and letters comming boys and girls.

LD  

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2003, 06:16:42 pm »
I agree, ofen less IS more. Although I was thinking that at least some windows could help imply the massive scale of the vessel when no immediate frame of reference is available. Just my 2 cents.

Lord Delekhan

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2003, 06:23:17 pm »
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I agree, ofen less IS more. Although I was thinking that at least some windows could help imply the massive scale of the vessel when no immediate frame of reference is available. Just my 2 cents.  




Um, there are windows, the fact that it is a 2000 meter long ship makes them very unseeable unless you get in very close, remember that a 2 meter window, which is a fairly hefty sized one, is only 1/1000 the length of the ship. If they were big enough to see in these long range shots then they would be completely disproportionate in size.


LD
 
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Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2003, 07:03:41 pm »
Well I stand corrected.

Core

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2003, 05:06:35 am »
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It's a good start, however it needs alot more detail in the textures. Especially being as huge as it is.  




I agree more ditaile neded on the textuers

CptSavage

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2003, 06:55:23 am »
LD never seases to amaze me.  

Confused??

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2003, 09:25:53 am »
I don't think it needs detail but I think at some points the lines seem too sharp. That doesn't matter, Mainly I think the textures need depth. Does that make sense?

Anthony_Scott

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Re: Killerhawk Released
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2003, 09:51:38 am »
COOOOOOLL....nice ship and even better...more rommies...

Lord Delekhan

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2003, 10:27:33 am »
Ok, I guess y'all don't see what I see, not a problem. I took the ship offline and I will take a fresh look at it in a couple months, if I still see it as finished then offline she will stay.

LD  

MarianoDT

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2003, 11:45:03 am »
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Ok, I guess y'all don't see what I see, not a problem. I took the ship offline and I will take a fresh look at it in a couple months, if I still see it as finished then offline she will stay.

LD    




Just release the ship if YOU think it is finished and you had enjoyed making it. Only this way you will be pleased with the result and you will make more great ships.!!!!


Good work, by the way... (I saw the ship yesterday)

Mariano  

sandman69247

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2003, 12:15:45 pm »
I agree with Mariano...release it as is, then the nay-sayers can re-work the textures to their hearts content. As the saying goes:"You can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't please all the people all the time." I have come to the conclusion that no one sees things alike (big surprise ), so when you're happy with it, release it.

BTW, great work and sublety on the detailing is fantastic. Another masterpiece from LD!

 

Reverend

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2003, 12:39:01 pm »
or, better yet, please do not punish those of us who appreciate this ssort of art, and cannot model nor texture, and therefore make no such comments... at least let us (mostly) quiet thankful ones have it to play with...:)  

Captain KoraH

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2003, 03:17:54 pm »
Not that I dislike the ship at all, but perhaps you could add some greebles that would satisfy the people who want more detail, and at the same time not throw off the scale. Add greebles instead of making the windows bigger, that's just a suggestion. I personally don't think the ship needs anything unless you think it does.  

Lord Delekhan

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2003, 06:55:00 pm »
There was a whole lot I considered saying, and a whole lot I wrote then deleted. In the end I decided to leave it at the model is offline. I have no intention of reconsidering it based on any comments made here, if I choose to do so it will be based solely on my own personal preferences. For those who liked it and wanted it, shoot me an email and I will hook you up. For those who have a clearer picture of what was in my head then even I do, well y'all are so good you can make it your own self.

LD
 

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2003, 07:06:38 pm »
Lord Delekhan,

I want you to know that I wasn't trying to insult you or berate your work in any way. I was also not trying to sound 'better than you'. I should have mentioned that I felt there were good things about the model as well, for not doing so originally I apologize.  I was just honestly trying to offer suggestions to make the model better than it was in my opinion. That's all. I wouldnt offer such advice if I didn't feel there wasn't potential in it. So I apologize if I came off as condescending in any way. I was honestly just trying to help.  

Captain Ron

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2003, 12:09:12 am »
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There was a whole lot I considered saying, and a whole lot I wrote then deleted. In the end I decided to leave it at the model is offline. I have no intention of reconsidering it based on any comments made here, if I choose to do so it will be based solely on my own personal preferences. For those who liked it and wanted it, shoot me an email and I will hook you up. For those who have a clearer picture of what was in my head then even I do, well y'all are so good you can make it your own self.

LD
   





I like this statment!

Can I use it in the future, I can find allot of use for it down the road. As for the rest I learned how to rework textures to get a ship to look the way i wanted it to. Anyone can learn to do it, if you are willing to invest the time. Anyone can do 3D models too, if you invest the time and money to do it. If you have done neither and wish to post a negative comment keep it to yourself. If you see a flaw that needs fixing inform the creator about it. If you don't like the looks don't download it ot retexture it yourself.

If you like the model but can not do anything about getting it that look you wanted, see if someone else that can do it shares your vision and try to get them to do it.

There is no reason to be Negitive about things.

Confused??

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2003, 05:31:54 am »
I hope my comments were not insulting.LD I have downloaded many of your ships from your old site and used them in my games. It is great to have you back to giving us models. However before I commented I should have given the ship a whirl in my game first and then said something. So I apologise if I offended you and that I for one would love to get my hands on the model.

Lord Delekhan

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2003, 05:52:47 am »
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Lord Delekhan,

I want you to know that I wasn't trying to insult you or berate your work in any way. I was also not trying to sound 'better than you'.




You glance at the few, very very few shots you could possibly have seen of a design you have less then nothing to do with and actually believe that you then have the authority to interject your masterful insight. No that could not possibly be interpreted as your position to do so is one of being better then all about you.

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 I should have mentioned that I felt there were good things about the model as well, for not doing so originally I apologize.  I was just honestly trying to offer suggestions to make the model better than it was in my opinion. That's all.




So you think that your opinion more credible, more viable, of such significant value that it must be interjected over and above the opinion of the designer.

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 I wouldnt offer such advice if I didn't feel there wasn't potential in it. So I apologize if I came off as condescending in any way. I was honestly just trying to help.  




Potential? Even your feeble attempt at an apology is riddled with your own arrogance and self-righteous indignation. It is even more condescending then your self-important demigodish interjection of an opinion that you have not the technical, moral, or any other high ground to offer up in the first place.
 
In the vernacular of the British "piss off"

LD
 

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2003, 07:01:34 am »
Wow, do you always get this way when someone offers you a suggestion about something? Geez.

"You glance at the few, very very few shots you could possibly have seen of a design you have less then nothing to do with and actually believe that you then have the authority to interject your masterful insight. No that could not possibly be interpreted as your position to do so is one of being better then all about you."

Ok, well I'm sorry you feel that way.

"So you think that your opinion more credible, more viable, of such significant value that it must be interjected over and above the opinion of the designer."

So, what, we're not allowed to have opinions, or we're just not allowed to ever express them?

"Potential? Even your feeble attempt at an apology is riddled with your own arrogance and self-righteous indignation. It is even more condescending then your self-important demigodish interjection of an opinion that you have not the technical, moral, or any other high ground to offer up in the first place."

Wow. Something tells me you are taking this WAY too personally. I have news for you, buddy:
"Starfleet Command Models
A forum for 3D model announcements, ADVICE and mayhem."
That is the description for this forum. I was offering ADVICE which is a specifically mentioned official function of this forum. I didn't do anything wrong and if you think I did then I believe you're being unreasonable. If this is how you always react when someone tries to be helpful then perhaps you should reconsider the way you behave. I sincerely hope you can see the logic in what I'm saying.  
   

starforce2

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2003, 08:22:58 pm »
3 words 4 ya man: Med-di-cation

Smiley

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2003, 08:45:23 pm »
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3 words 4 ya man: Med-di-cation  




Medication only has one d....lol, sorry I couldn't resist....*runs away*

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2003, 09:40:38 pm »
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3 words 4 ya man: Med-di-cation  




LOL, seriously. Sheesh.  

ActiveX

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2003, 11:15:22 pm »
The End.

Lord Delekhan

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2003, 04:21:47 am »
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The End.  




yup, that's about as right as it gets.



LD  

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2003, 05:19:58 am »
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Quote:

The End.  




yup, that's about as right as it gets.



LD    




Well this sucks.

Perhaps the most prolific ROMULAN ship builders has left us?

I REALLY hope not.

We should be able to move past the Firehawk LD made. Anybody look at his Novahawk? If that was a shadow of things to come I say let him crank out more! His King Condor would have been incredible.....

 

KF

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2003, 05:29:16 am »
Let him go. There will be others.

His childish behavior shouldn't be tolerated anyway.
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starforce2

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2003, 06:23:05 am »
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Let him go. There will be others.

His childish behavior shouldn't be tolerated anyway.




Well said. He's too high maintinece, got better things to do than suckup to a guy who feels the people here are unworthy of giving an opinion of his work, as stated above.

You want some nice romulans, look around on newships. Bunch of'em there. Some need lightmaps.

DookeyKing

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2003, 10:55:26 am »
It's possible that LD is a little touchy about his work,  but IMO we should also consider that folks could use a little bit of tact in their criticisms.  "CONSTRUCTIVE" criticism should always be positive in tone and point out the good points of a mod as well as the posters "OPINION" about possible changes.  Remember that the modellor is the only one who has any real say in what a finished work looks like.  If you don't like that finished product then breeze on by and don't download it.  Simple.  I think it's pretty fair to say that if you can't post something positive then maybe you shouldn't.

Scott

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2003, 11:07:38 am »
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It's possible that LD is a little touchy about his work,  but IMO we should also consider that folks could use a little bit of tact in their criticisms.  "CONSTRUCTIVE" criticism should always be positive in tone and point out the good points of a mod as well as the posters "OPINION" about possible changes.  Remember that the modellor is the only one who has any real say in what a finished work looks like.  If you don't like that finished product then breeze on by and don't download it.  Simple.  I think it's pretty fair to say that if you can't post something positive then maybe you shouldn't.

Scott  




Was I not tactful? I didn't tell him his model sucked, I told him I thought it was a good start. I also told him what I thought was constructive critism, that it wasn't detailed enough. I agree with you on this point, however I don't think that should it should be an excuse or justification for his behavior. If someone were to critique one of my models, I would listen with an open mind, and thank the person. I wouldn't accuse them of being arrogant and self-righteous then shut down my website forever. I don't even know why he did that last part. Maybe he's just starved for attention.  

MarianoDT

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2003, 11:45:31 am »
"Sence of humor alert"
Maybe this is a Federation complot to stop the proliferation of new Romulan vessels.....YOU COWARDS !!!!!!  


Thanks,

Mariano


PS: I´m only trying to calm the things down. This is going too far.....
   

DookeyKing

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2003, 01:49:25 pm »
Desty Nova - I certainly didn't mean to imply that you were being rude in your posts and I should have made that plain in my last post. Sorry.  With James Formo walking away and LD closing up shop,  I was just trying to make a general comment about the forum that unfortunately appeared aimed at you.  That was honestly not my intention.  


Scott

Desty_Nova

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Re: Killerhawk Recommitted
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2003, 01:51:40 pm »
That's ok, I'm not as touchy as some. Don't worry about it.