Topic: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...  (Read 2210 times)

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Atrahasis

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Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« on: October 23, 2003, 09:16:15 am »


This is the engine of NASA's Deep Space 1 which was launched in 1998 and used an ion engine.......isn't it interesting how blue it is? Kind of reminds me of the blue engine exhaust on Enterprise-era ships.

Modern impulse engine exhaust seems to be red though. However, seeing this pic makes the Enterprise-era ships seem all the more real to me somehow, as if we're not all that far away from that technology.  

Smiley

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2003, 09:20:12 am »
Hehe, doesn't it make you feel all warm and dreamy inside?

I would love to see houses completely embedded with computers - you know all trekkie styled displays in the walls and touch panels....Ahhhhhh

Stormbringer

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2003, 09:43:31 am »
Hi, Atra.

Yep, the deep space one was truly an innovative little testbed probe. You don't often hear NASA actually doing anything risky or innovative tech wise. But this is one example of them puttting together a set of great ideas. That and trying to replicate that russian scientist's gravity work in Scotland. They do have high risk programs but they tend not to publicize them for fear of uninformed criticism and subsequent danger to thier already meager budgets.

One of the ways plasma is neat is that if you run it through the center of a coil, the moving plasma (ions) induces a great deal of current which can be used to power things on the rest of the ship.

A bad thing about ion drive so far is that the acceleration is so gradual. It takes a great deal of time to build up speed. That being said, ion engines can develop more thrust than chemical rockets if given enough time. Making them ideal or the first inter stellar probes to such places as alpha proxima (of alpha centuari triple star system) 3.9 light years, Barnard's star 10 light years and other nearby stars.

Of course, it is always possible that we will be able to increase the ion density and fix the current acceleration lag. If we perfect linear fusion or perhaps AM reactors. In that event we'd be well on the way to TOS technology levels. In many ways, communications, computers and so forth we are already ahead.  

Stormbringer

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2003, 09:48:35 am »
Darn. I should add that another reason they would be good for the first interstellar probes or ships is that they are very efficient and require less fuel, having a robust payload to fuel ratio.

Stormbringer

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2003, 10:07:02 am »
Have you looked inside some of the wired homes type magazines? Smart Houses and so forth? Basically you can get what you just asked for. Japanese toilets that tell you to go see a doctor, wall displays burglar, and fire alarms remote control of all appliances. Refrigerators that can order food from online grocers. Environmental controls that learn your comfort zones for temp and humidity and lighting. The list is endless. The question is how much smart house are you willing to buy?
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Stormbringer

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2003, 10:11:47 am »
Atra; in previous discussions on the OT forum I posted a few links to webpages about the DS-1 probe if you are interested I can repost them later tonight or you could retrieve them. It was just a quick search on behalf of a request from Sir God for more info because the ESA is launching another ion powered probe, and he though it was the first. Since the search was quick there may be even better links out there than the ones I posted.

Smiley

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2003, 11:09:17 am »
Quote:

Have you looked inside some of the wired homes type magazines? Smart Houses and so forth? Basically you can get what you just asked for. Japanese toilets that tell you to go see a doctor, wall displays burglar, and fire alarms remote control of all appliances. Refrigerators that can order food from online grocers. Environmental controls that learn your comfort zones for temp and humidity and lighting. The list is endless. The question is how much smart house are you willing to buy?  




Yeah but are all of the devices integrated into one another?
And do all of the devices interfaces share the same common design?

That's what I'd like to see....
 

   

Stormbringer

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2003, 11:20:39 am »
I'm sure some suppliers provide integrated packages. Of course such packages would probably no come cheaply.
I'd also check with contractors who build such houses to see what is available. No harm in shopping.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2003, 11:22:16 am by Stormbringer1701 »

Steelviper33

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2003, 05:48:02 pm »
Quote:

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Have you looked inside some of the wired homes type magazines? Smart Houses and so forth? Basically you can get what you just asked for. Japanese toilets that tell you to go see a doctor, wall displays burglar, and fire alarms remote control of all appliances. Refrigerators that can order food from online grocers. Environmental controls that learn your comfort zones for temp and humidity and lighting. The list is endless. The question is how much smart house are you willing to buy?  




Yeah but are all of the devices integrated into one another?
And do all of the devices interfaces share the same common design?

That's what I'd like to see....
[image]http://www.the-tcs.net/core/uploads/thumb102303070507desk.jpg[/image]   [image]http://www.the-tcs.net/core/uploads/thumb102303070747desktop.jpg[/image]

   




Where can i get that for my Desktop?!?!?

MarianoDT

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2003, 06:21:15 pm »
I think I´ve first seen this Ion Drive in APOTD, and that time my heart started beating stronger. I always get excited with this things.....It gives me some hope for the future.

Thanks Atrahasis for remind me this.

Mariano


Also, Smiley, I´d also like to know how did you get that desktop. It´s simply trek !!!
 

Smiley

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2003, 06:26:30 pm »
You can't get it, they are screen shots of a few LiteStep themes that I made for my PC. I don't use Windows Explorer as my shell and haven't done for many years now.
There's a wonderful degree of satisfaction that can be obtained from creating your own desktop!
You can place everything from the system tray to the taskbasr anywhere on your desktop and in any way, shape or form that you see fit. For example you might want to have 32x32 icons floating on your desktop to represent the running tasks - this is possible. It is even possible to reassign what icons show up for the programs that are running (if you don't like the standard ones that is!).
The whole system is completely modular - you zsimply load up a module that you want into the system to perform a particular function. I am fond of using the shortcut module to create lcars style "buttons" directly on the desktop. They behave like rollover images on a webpage and can change state when you move over them, clikc etc.
I love LiteStep!

Sorry to go off topic though Atra!  

anduril

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2003, 06:27:56 pm »
That would be the reason I went to a blueish color on the impulse engines of my ships....

cool pic.

MarianoDT

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2003, 06:32:14 pm »
Quote:

You can't get it, they are screen shots of a few LiteStep themes that I made for my PC. I don't use Windows Explorer as my shell and haven't done for many years now.
There's a wonderful degree of satisfaction that can be obtained from creating your own desktop!
You can place everything from the system tray to the taskbasr anywhere on your desktop and in any way, shape or form that you see fit. For example you might want to have 32x32 icons floating on your desktop to represent the running tasks - this is possible. It is even possible to reassign what icons show up for the programs that are running (if you don't like the standard ones that is!).
The whole system is completely modular - you zsimply load up a module that you want into the system to perform a particular function. I am fond of using the shortcut module to create lcars style "buttons" directly on the desktop. They behave like rollover images on a webpage and can change state when you move over them, clikc etc.
I love LiteStep!

Sorry to go off topic though Atra!  




Sounds like a lot of fun. I´ll give it a try.

Tnanks,

Mariano
 

atheorhaven

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2003, 08:31:25 pm »
That's an awesome litestep theme... I use it here as well (litestep that is, not your theme).  

It's the only stable way to run any of the Windows OSes that are DOS based.. 'cause Explorer under DOS is a POS..
« Last Edit: October 23, 2003, 08:32:17 pm by atheorhaven »

ActiveX

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2003, 08:47:07 pm »
I would still kill to have a Runabout...

MarianoDT

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2003, 08:54:59 pm »
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I would still kill to have a Runabout...  




I always wonder if I will live long enough to actually see a real one......I hope I will...........

....ehhh???, a new Graemlin?... ......nice one !!!

Thanks,

Mariano
 

Stormbringer

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Re: Look at what a real ion drive looks like...
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2003, 10:46:58 pm »
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Atra; in previous discussions on the OT forum I posted a few links to webpages about the DS-1 probe if you are interested I can repost them later tonight or you could retrieve them. It was just a quick search on behalf of a request from Sir God for more info because the ESA is launching another ion powered probe, and he though it was the first. Since the search was quick there may be even better links out there than the ones I posted.  




here are the links I previously posted for the older thread.

First try first hit:


http://nmp.jpl.nasa.gov/ds1/

There are lots of images but not much text. However there are close ups of the ion engine. The next few sites might be more text based and contain technical aspects but I have not checked them as of yet.

second try: (kiddie stuff) http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/articles/nelson.html

Third try: (a text treasure trove!)

http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/articles/nelson.html

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