Topic: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!  (Read 4533 times)

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ActiveX

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2003, 01:50:44 am »
Breen and Borg are Beta Quadrant (along with Klinks and Roms)...

The Borg are on opposing sides of the Quadrant though...

A Breen explorer (CA+ or better) would in all probability be in a position for assimilation...

This all assumes I recall 'canon' correctly...

DarkMatrix

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2003, 01:51:45 am »
The borg are from the delta Quadrant

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ActiveX

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2003, 01:53:49 am »
Hehe...

Borg space spans much of the Delta Quadrant and a good chunk of the Beta Quadrant...

There is no red line in space for which quadrant you occupy...

Atrahasis

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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2003, 02:27:41 am »
Yeah, I seemed to recall they were different quadrants. But why is it that the Breen didn't seem to be worrying about the Borg in the episodes? Could it be that it was because of the Borg that they sided up with the Dominion? Moreover, could the Dominion kick the Borg? Hmmmm.  

Desty_Nova

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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2003, 02:53:47 am »
Hey Atra, about the firing arc diagrams of the Connie you have. The only problem with it is, the side phasers on the saucer DO have 180 degree firing arcs. Have you seen the Fed New-Jersay class heavy battlecruiser? Ever wondered why the nacelles are lowered on that thing? It's so that they aren't in the way anymore and the phasers have full unresticted 180 coverage on the sides. All the phaser hardpoints theoretically have 360 degree firing arcs, the only restriction on that is if they are physically blocked by a portion of the ship. So for this reason, the front phasers on a Fed CA are FH arc, the side phasers are L+LF and R+RF arcs(LS and RS on the BCH), and the ones on the rear hull are 360 degrees(because they are on the very bottom and not blocked by anything).  

DarkMatrix

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2003, 04:45:47 am »
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Yeah, I seemed to recall they were different quadrants. But why is it that the Breen didn't seem to be worrying about the Borg in the episodes? Could it be that it was because of the Borg that they sided up with the Dominion? Moreover, could the Dominion kick the Borg? Hmmmm.  




up to the point of the dominion war only ones who take on the borg are 8472 all otehr races can not take the borg on

its said in one of the show that the breen,sonia and dominion are all on the same side
when it was said about the romulans not beening in the war it said that they busy with borg on they boaders in the beta quadrant this is why you think they from the beta quadrant

it is said in unimatrix-zero that the beta quadrant has small borg outpost there
it was that guy 7of 9 fell for in that show
that says about the borg in that quadrant

up to the point of the dominion wars very little is know about the breen and when you think about it it onlly took fedeartin few weeks to work out they weapons it would take the borg even less time

DM

Atrahasis

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2003, 05:32:13 am »
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Hey Atra, about the firing arc diagrams of the Connie you have. The only problem with it is, the side phasers on the saucer DO have 180 degree firing arcs. Have you seen the Fed New-Jersay class heavy battlecruiser? Ever wondered why the nacelles are lowered on that thing? It's so that they aren't in the way anymore and the phasers have full unresticted 180 coverage on the sides. All the phaser hardpoints theoretically have 360 degree firing arcs, the only restriction on that is if they are physically blocked by a portion of the ship. So for this reason, the front phasers on a Fed CA are FH arc, the side phasers are L+LF and R+RF arcs(LS and RS on the BCH), and the ones on the rear hull are 360 degrees(because they are on the very bottom and not blocked by anything).    




Yes, I'm aware of the assumptions that Starfleet Battles made regarding the firing arcs of Federation phasers. Those assumptions are questionable at best, in my opinion, especially for a 2-dimensional game like SFB/SFC, because of the fact that if the forward saucer phasers for example really can fire at a 180 angle on a 2-dimensional plane, it would have to be at a significant elevation along the Y-axis, which would translate into thousands of kilometers along the vertical Y-axis by the time the beam reaches its target......which makes it no longer a 2-dimensional game. However, if you examine the actual ships, the maximum angle at which those ball turrets can shoot without elevating along the Y-axis is about 60 degrees to either side, so a total arc of 120 degrees.....also known as the FWD arc. Same goes for the side phasers. Since there aren't any 120 degree arcs to the sides in this game, I would settle for the L and R arcs which are acceptable.    

Atrahasis

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2003, 05:58:06 am »
Size comparsion of the models:

Desty_Nova

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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2003, 06:37:00 am »
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Yes, I'm aware of the assumptions that Starfleet Battles made regarding the firing arcs of Federation phasers. Those assumptions are questionable at best, in my opinion, especially for a 2-dimensional game like SFB/SFC, because of the fact that if the forward saucer phasers for example really can fire at a 180 angle on a 2-dimensional plane, it would have to be at a significant elevation along the Y-axis, which would translate into thousands of kilometers along the vertical Y-axis by the time the beam reaches its target......which makes it no longer a 2-dimensional game. However, if you examine the actual ships, the maximum angle at which those ball turrets can shoot without elevating along the Y-axis is about 60 degrees to either side, so a total arc of 120 degrees.....also known as the FWD arc. Same goes for the side phasers. Since there aren't any 120 degree arcs to the sides in this game, I would settle for the L and R arcs which are acceptable.    

 





I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean by this. Why would the beam have to elevate along the Y-Axis when firing at those angles? (If you want to make another diagram to explain this, feel free )  

MarianoDT

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2003, 12:40:50 pm »
Nice Ship...

I´ve given you 5 stars!!!!!



Thanks,

Mariano
 

ActiveX

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2003, 01:08:35 pm »
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Yes, I'm aware of the assumptions that Starfleet Battles made regarding the firing arcs of Federation phasers. Those assumptions are questionable at best, in my opinion, especially for a 2-dimensional game like SFB/SFC, because of the fact that if the forward saucer phasers for example really can fire at a 180 angle on a 2-dimensional plane, it would have to be at a significant elevation along the Y-axis, which would translate into thousands of kilometers along the vertical Y-axis by the time the beam reaches its target......which makes it no longer a 2-dimensional game. However, if you examine the actual ships, the maximum angle at which those ball turrets can shoot without elevating along the Y-axis is about 60 degrees to either side, so a total arc of 120 degrees.....also known as the FWD arc. Same goes for the side phasers. Since there aren't any 120 degree arcs to the sides in this game, I would settle for the L and R arcs which are acceptable.    

 





I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean by this. Why would the beam have to elevate along the Y-Axis when firing at those angles? (If you want to make another diagram to explain this, feel free )    




A beam can only aim where it is directed, thus the directing element is the limiting factor...

Smiley

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2003, 01:29:11 pm »
Atra; I love your models - for they are sooo, well real!! I would be very interested to see you make something else from the TNG era. You have contributed so much to the other eras, thankyou!!!!  

Kaenyne

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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2003, 01:42:18 pm »
Yes, he certainly has, just as you have done (i.e. TNG Feds, pre-TOS Klingon).

 

Smiley

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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2003, 03:47:05 pm »
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Yes, he certainly has, just as you have done (i.e. TNG Feds, pre-TOS Klingon).




Hehe, thanx - you flatter me, I'm a rookie!  

Kaenyne

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2003, 03:50:23 pm »
Rookie? Heh, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Atrahasis

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2003, 05:50:08 pm »

ActiveX

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2003, 02:15:32 am »
This arc issue must be why TNG+ uses arrays...

jimkirk

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2003, 01:46:51 pm »
Hello Thexter. That's what I wanted. The most fabulous and most fantastic and nicely done borg ship in the entire community. People look at it's texturing. LOL this is awesome. Well done man. You should be proud of it  

Captain KoraH

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2003, 06:55:47 pm »
Hey Atra, I'm already getting people begging me to put this Borg ship in the TNZ mod lol. What do you say?

Atrahasis

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Re: Borg Battleship.....time to release it!
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2003, 07:45:09 pm »
Sure, go ahead.