Topic: A Round of Applause for the Taldren Admins

[CptCastrin]

They couldn't have had a rougher start (unless they had been here longer, heh heh) so how about a round of applause for getting the forums back up. Despite some people's blindness you are truely appriciated Ann, Lan, And Erin!

HUZZAH!

<clap ... clap ... clap ...>

   

[ActiveX]

Hear hear...

[Rob Cole]

cough,cough Brown nose,cough cough  

[FPF_TraceyG]

All too often, we take for granted the people who behind the scenes work and toil bringing us something we just assume will always be here. We forget, someone has to actually do work to bring us these forums, they dont take care of themselves nor do they come at no expense.
Thanks to all those who maintain these forums at their own personal expense.

[CptCastrin]

To what end Cole? Are they going to give me a raise? More power?

Get real.

I appriciate good hard work, especially when it's to keep a community asset operational. (Even after one of our own tried to destroy it.)  Why can't you?

*sigh*

Sign of the times I guess.

   

[Rob Cole]

Quote:
To what end Cole? Are they going to give me a raise? More power?

Get real.

I appriciate good hard work, especially when it's to keep a community asset operational. (Even after one of our own tried to destroy it.)  Why can't you?

*sigh*

Sign of the times I guess.

     

To what end????????? I dont know I am not the one brown nosing,You tell me!

[Voidwar]

Quote:
All too often, we take for granted the people who behind the scenes work and toil bringing us something we just assume will always be here. We forget, someone has to actually do work to bring us these forums, they dont take care of themselves nor do they come at no expense.
Thanks to all those who maintain these forums at their own personal expense.  

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.

[Dogmatix!]

You tell 'em, Tracey!  

[Kortez]

Toil?
 

[Voidwar]

Quote:
(Even after one of our own tried to destroy it)  

A Bald Faced Lie.  And a cowardly swipe.

[CptCastrin]

Quote:

Quote:
To what end Cole? Are they going to give me a raise? More power?

Get real.

I appriciate good hard work, especially when it's to keep a community asset operational. (Even after one of our own tried to destroy it.)  Why can't you?

*sigh*

Sign of the times I guess.

     

To what end????????? I dont know I am not the one brown nosing,You tell me!  

LOL!

Takes the first question (which btw was retorical) and throws it back at me while ignoring the answer that was given.

Too funny!  

Good night Cole. Find a different patsy. Homey don't play that.

   

[Kortez]

Yadda, yadda, yadda and suddenly they were at each others' throats!
 

[CptCastrin]

Quote:

Quote:
(Even after one of our own tried to destroy it)  

A Bald Faced Lie.  And a cowardly swipe.  

Hey, I'm only repeating what others are saying. If I'm wrong please prove it. In fact I'd love it if it were proven for certain what happened.

My email is cptcastrin@pegicorn.com and a reminder, I don't work for Taldren so if there is more to this than reported it WILL be put up where all can read it (see I have many web sites too).

Only those afraid of the truth refuse to speak it.

   

[Taldren_Admin]

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.

[762]

Lemon curry?

[Rob Cole]

Quote:

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.  

Then why have an Off topic forum??????????
It was created to discuss any thing we wanted too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To  now to bring new rules to this forua is stooooooooooooooooooooooooopid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.  

Then why have an Off topic forum??????????
It was created to discuss any thing we wanted too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To  now to bring new rules to this forua is stooooooooooooooooooooooooopid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Hell if I was running a business that had a forum which was a liability, I'd seriously consider axing it...

[CptCastrin]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.  

Then why have an Off topic forum??????????
It was created to discuss any thing we wanted too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To  now to bring new rules to this forua is stooooooooooooooooooooooooopid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Hell if I was running a business that had a forum which was a liability, I'd seriously consider axing it...  

Have to agree with you there AX.

The OT forum was kind of cool at times but from a business perspective it's really not worth it. There are more than enough forums, to debate the kind of things that are found there, at other sites. These forums should stick to it's core: SFC (et all) and now Black9

Taldren should just axe it IMHO. Especially if it's true that it was the focus of what took the forums down in the first place.

     

[Toasty0]

Honestly, Folks. Nothing needs to be axed.

I'm startled by the number of folks who're complaining that they're being asked to communicate in an intellegent manner. I knew a few would find the bar set too high for them to contniue, but I had no idea that instead of 2 or 3 there actually exist 5 or 6 folks who have difficulty communicating without resorting to profanity, slurs, threats, and or other scatological posting proclivity.

Like Castrin, I too would like to thank Ann, Erin, and Lan for putting in the extra effort in making this FREE SERVICE FROM TALDREN work for the rest of us. I hope that eventually you 3 will get as much out of this board as MOST of us other FOUR THOUSAND registered users do.

Best,
Jerry    

[Captain KoraH]

1. Everyone knows the Taldren forums are free and that people run them for us at their expence.

2. Some people really don't care and will talk trashy and mean and make everyone look bad.

3. Averyone else is very grateful, even if they don't see this thread and comment on it. If the forum were gone tomorrow, even those who take it for granted would recognize how much it meant to them.

We all know these things, but still sometimes it's good to hear people say...


       Thank you!




 

[grimbeard]

I must say,  that as long as the new admins are fair and impartial, then those that have brought down the wrath of the new order, have been deserving.  I applaud the new kids on the block for saying ' Dont pollute our streets'.   Its too bad that there had to be such calamity earlier.  

[Sirgod]

Quote:
I must say,  that as long as the new admins are fair and impartial, then those that have brought down the wrath of the new order, have been deserving.  I applaud the new kids on the block for saying ' Dont pollute our streets'.   Its too bad that there had to be such calamity earlier.    

I agree GrimBeard, they have my support, and appreciation.

[JayBee]

Well as they like to say Taldren doesnt have to have a forum and I dont have to be here. All true, I also dont have to ever buy another taldren product again, and I also can tell anyone that tells me they are thinking of buying  a taldren product not to.

Lets see I have bought in the last 4 or 5 yrs....

SFC1

SFCGold

EAW

OP and SFC3

When I got SFC1 I told everyone I knew about it and they all got the game and are still around. If things continue the way they are going I WILL NOT ever do that again for taldren, but I will tell peep about all the patch probs and how they took a dump on the forums.

[IKV Nemesis D7L]

When the non Taldren moderators were set up there were those who forecast the end of the forums.  The forums survived.  A change in moderation has occured and again the forecast is doom.   Give the new moderators a chance, you may be pleasantly surprised, again.

For a forum to succeed those who disrupt it must be either removed or reformed.  Those who contribute need to be encouraged to stay and protected from those who just cause trouble.  Of course sometimes those who contribute are also the trouble makers, which is where the reforming comes in.  It is a delicate balance and can take time for a new moderator to achieve.  

I think that some of the people complaining should try admining a forum for a while.  Like many things it is easy to sit on the side lines and complain but much harder to perform in a way that satisfies your goals and the majority of users.    

[JayBee]

It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.

[IKV Nemesis D7L]

Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

[ActiveX]

Quote:
Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

I Mod the busiest section of a forum with close to 10 thousand members (9953 last time I looked) and what you just described is not nearly as common as you make it out to be...

[Toasty0]

Quote:

Quote:
Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

I Mod the busiest section of a forum with close to 10 thousand members (9953 last time I looked) and what you just described is not nearly as common as you make it out to be...  

Just curious: What's the average daily post count and length? And what is the primary focus of this forum you moderate?  

[vsfedwards]

Whoops, forgot to post here...Hoorah to the admins for sorting out the problems!!

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

I Mod the busiest section of a forum with close to 10 thousand members (9953 last time I looked) and what you just described is not nearly as common as you make it out to be...  

Just curious: What's the average daily post count and length? And what is the primary focus of this forum you moderate?  

See for yourself: http://www.tombraiderforums.com

Yes I know its a TR forum...

We had a big problem with punks not long ago when AoD (total crap btw) came out...

Oh, and I'm Draco there...

[Toasty0]

LOL...I gotta say that in light of our discussion here I found this blurb for your OT forum halarious.

Quote:
General discussion on Tomb Raider or anything else. Keep it litigation-free!

   

[ActiveX]

Quote:
LOL...I gotta say that in light of our discussion here I found this blurb for your OT forum halarious.

Quote:
General discussion on Tomb Raider or anything else. Keep it litigation-free!

   

 

Hehe...

[KATChuutRitt]

Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

[TheBigCheese]

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

[KATChuutRitt]

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

[Pestalence]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Chutt,

no disrespect intended, but Taldren reserves the right to ban anyone they choose for any reason when they fell like doing so.. it is their privaledge as owners of the Forums... If the current Admins have a listing of trouble makers on this forum as created by David Ferrell when he controlled the boards(I'm not saying that there is, but it is possible), then that is a mark already against them.. and I am sure David would have listed the troublesome posting and thread each time the Terms of Service were violated (if such a list exhists), and as such, there is a record based on user name. Heck there are records of every post ever made and logs of IP addresses and Emaiol addresses that Taldren can draw history on any poster on this Forum or even the old Forum as they have the old Forum Archived for reference. Heck, you can retrieve all postings since this forum started just by using the search function and enter someone's name.. or click on a name and then click on User's postings to get a list.. makes it simple to review people's posting habbits and behaviors. If a person is repeatedly banned/Moderated, then Taldren need not give any explanation at all per Terms of service and the issue involved is between solely Taldren and the violator and is not open to public debate or reposting contriversial threads.posts. I think this applies to the Privacy Act of 1974 which covers records... each post is considered a record once the post is finalized, IE: sent to the forum for public view....  Reposting a deleted thread or post from the Archive could result in a Privacy Act lawsuit due to personal records of a Forum user, Preseent or Former, thus allowing for suit agains the moderator/admin if not the company itself....
The deal is done so I wouldn't expect too much to be done anymore on this subject as Taldren made a decision in the best intrests of their company, and as such it is their right to do so as per Terms of Service (TOS).

Sorry for being windy.
 

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

You want a link to evidence?

Here it is: http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB15

[TheBigCheese]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Actually I think we have crossed wires here,
I thought you were talking about the infamous General Wolfe  

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Actually I think we have crossed wires here,
I thought you were talking about the infamous General Wolfe  

Oops...me too...

[KATChuutRitt]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Chutt,

no disrespect intended, but Taldren reserves the right to ban anyone they choose for any reason when they fell like doing so.. it is their privaledge as owners of the Forums... If the current Admins have a listing of trouble makers on this forum as created by David Ferrell when he controlled the boards(I'm not saying that there is, but it is possible), then that is a mark already against them.. and I am sure David would have listed the troublesome posting and thread each time the Terms of Service were violated (if such a list exhists), and as such, there is a record based on user name. Heck there are records of every post ever made and logs of IP addresses and Emaiol addresses that Taldren can draw history on any poster on this Forum or even the old Forum as they have the old Forum Archived for reference. Heck, you can retrieve all postings since this forum started just by using the search function and enter someone's name.. or click on a name and then click on User's postings to get a list.. makes it simple to review people's posting habbits and behaviors. If a person is repeatedly banned/Moderated, then Taldren need not give any explanation at all per Terms of service and the issue involved is between solely Taldren and the violator and is not open to public debate or reposting contriversial threads.posts. I think this applies to the Privacy Act of 1974 which covers records... each post is considered a record once the post is finalized, IE: sent to the forum for public view....  Reposting a deleted thread or post from the Archive could result in a Privacy Act lawsuit due to personal records of a Forum user, Preseent or Former, thus allowing for suit agains the moderator/admin if not the company itself....
The deal is done so I wouldn't expect too much to be done anymore on this subject as Taldren made a decision in the best intrests of their company, and as such it is their right to do so as per Terms of Service (TOS).

Sorry for being windy.
 

Np,

Windy is ok...

Thing is, I am looking for evidence where I can feel comfortable supporting this company and its future products>  As they have every right to do as they see fit with their forums, I as a consumer have every right to speak with my dollars.  I am asking only for evidence to make me feel comfortable spending my dollars on Taldren products and recommending them to others.

It is my experience that companies generally wish to promote a positive image to their customers, so I don't think it is out of line for me to ask for such evidence.that would put them in a positive light .

[KATChuutRitt]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

You want a link to evidence?

Here it is: http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB15  

The same evidence has been entered by the opposing viewpoint as well....

[Taldren_Erin]

Breaking prime directive in not talking about banning details, here, but there have been SO many posts asking about them and in some cases having some misinformation that's being taken to heart.

Crim was not banned for locking the threads, or on the chance that that caused the forum to crash. We don't know exactly what caused the crash. The crash was hardly intentional in and of itself (except on the bizarre .001% chance it was a 'successful' hacking attempt) and we certainly wouldn't have banned for that. However, the rampant thread locking caused a serious disruption to the forums, and with the confusion in the crash (with the locked threads being the last actions logged) at that point we removed Crim's mod status while we tried to figure out what the heck had happened. After we got the forums back up I unlocked the threads again. Crim was still not banned. The banning happened in tandem with GW's following a post on Crim's part that -- and this is my PR side talking -- demonstrated a serious lack of confidence, ahem, in the forum administration, and went beyond that into being seriously inflammatory/insulting. This, coupled with the fact that the thread locking was a very deliberate attempt to disrupt, it was decided warranted banning, by way of enforcing some time away from the forums to cool off. The thread in question was swiftly deleted when both bans went through, and my guess is that as a result some assumptions were made that Crim was banned for "crashing the forum".

The banning is not permanent, on his part or on GW's. They'll have a chance to come back if they want to. What the exact terms of this will be have not yet been determined, but there will be a post in the admin announcement board when they are.

If you have any further questions regarding this situation, please talk to me via PM. I'd rather that these things not be discussed on the boards for the privacy of those concerned.

 

[grimbeard]

Thanks for the explanation.  Glad I wasnt here for it  Too bad you were not here a couple years ago when the mighty XC captains had to fend off some guy (moniker escapes me),  there was mehjoor banningz in that 2 day time period.

[KATChuutRitt]

Thank you for your explanation Erin.

You have restored much of my confidence.  When I see Crimmy back and posting the rest will return as well.  This is exactly the kind of explanation/information that I wanted.  I thank you for it.  I have never questioned Taldren having the right to assign its moderaters as it sees fit, replacing and removing them if necessary, but the banning of individuals due to unproven accusations or differences of opinion has always made me willing to risk my own status on these forums for what I see as a legitimate cause.  I am a man who tries to live by a personal code of ethics.  It is nice to see that further support of Taldren will not be jeopardized by these ethics.  

Again thank you so much, and please don't make the temporary ban last too long.

[Komodo]

And back to the topic of this thread, I'll add my appreciation to the folks at Taldren. This place is an oasis of sorts to so many out there, including myself. One I like to keep coming back to  

[KRolling]

Even I have been abusive of my privileges here and have gotten out of hand with my posting at times.

The admins have my support and respect.  This does not mean I will always have to agree with them.  

I think if we learn to respect ourselves a little more we will be able to respect others.  The love starts within us.

[Dogmatix!]

Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    


 

[KRolling]

Quote:
Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    


 

<chants while bustin' some moves>

Doggy needs more luvin', yes he does.
Doggy needs more l-l-luvin' and he wants it real!!  

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:
Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    


 

<chants while bustin' some moves>

Doggy needs more luvin', yes he does.
Doggy needs more l-l-luvin' and he wants it real!!  

As opposed to Dynareal?

[Scipio_66]

Quote:
Dogmatix barked:
Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    
 

-S'Cipio  

[Dogmatix!]

Good to see that piccy again, S'Cip....you da man..


I loved the "Dogmatix barked:" bit, too...made me laugh.  

[CptCastrin]

They couldn't have had a rougher start (unless they had been here longer, heh heh) so how about a round of applause for getting the forums back up. Despite some people's blindness you are truely appriciated Ann, Lan, And Erin!

HUZZAH!

<clap ... clap ... clap ...>

   

[ActiveX]

Hear hear...

[Rob Cole]

cough,cough Brown nose,cough cough  

[FPF_TraceyG]

All too often, we take for granted the people who behind the scenes work and toil bringing us something we just assume will always be here. We forget, someone has to actually do work to bring us these forums, they dont take care of themselves nor do they come at no expense.
Thanks to all those who maintain these forums at their own personal expense.

[CptCastrin]

To what end Cole? Are they going to give me a raise? More power?

Get real.

I appriciate good hard work, especially when it's to keep a community asset operational. (Even after one of our own tried to destroy it.)  Why can't you?

*sigh*

Sign of the times I guess.

   

[Rob Cole]

Quote:
To what end Cole? Are they going to give me a raise? More power?

Get real.

I appriciate good hard work, especially when it's to keep a community asset operational. (Even after one of our own tried to destroy it.)  Why can't you?

*sigh*

Sign of the times I guess.

     

To what end????????? I dont know I am not the one brown nosing,You tell me!

[Voidwar]

Quote:
All too often, we take for granted the people who behind the scenes work and toil bringing us something we just assume will always be here. We forget, someone has to actually do work to bring us these forums, they dont take care of themselves nor do they come at no expense.
Thanks to all those who maintain these forums at their own personal expense.  

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.

[Dogmatix!]

You tell 'em, Tracey!  

[Kortez]

Toil?
 

[Voidwar]

Quote:
(Even after one of our own tried to destroy it)  

A Bald Faced Lie.  And a cowardly swipe.

[CptCastrin]

Quote:

Quote:
To what end Cole? Are they going to give me a raise? More power?

Get real.

I appriciate good hard work, especially when it's to keep a community asset operational. (Even after one of our own tried to destroy it.)  Why can't you?

*sigh*

Sign of the times I guess.

     

To what end????????? I dont know I am not the one brown nosing,You tell me!  

LOL!

Takes the first question (which btw was retorical) and throws it back at me while ignoring the answer that was given.

Too funny!  

Good night Cole. Find a different patsy. Homey don't play that.

   

[Kortez]

Yadda, yadda, yadda and suddenly they were at each others' throats!
 

[CptCastrin]

Quote:

Quote:
(Even after one of our own tried to destroy it)  

A Bald Faced Lie.  And a cowardly swipe.  

Hey, I'm only repeating what others are saying. If I'm wrong please prove it. In fact I'd love it if it were proven for certain what happened.

My email is cptcastrin@pegicorn.com and a reminder, I don't work for Taldren so if there is more to this than reported it WILL be put up where all can read it (see I have many web sites too).

Only those afraid of the truth refuse to speak it.

   

[Taldren_Admin]

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.

[762]

Lemon curry?

[Rob Cole]

Quote:

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.  

Then why have an Off topic forum??????????
It was created to discuss any thing we wanted too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To  now to bring new rules to this forua is stooooooooooooooooooooooooopid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.  

Then why have an Off topic forum??????????
It was created to discuss any thing we wanted too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To  now to bring new rules to this forua is stooooooooooooooooooooooooopid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Hell if I was running a business that had a forum which was a liability, I'd seriously consider axing it...

[CptCastrin]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I think the other side of this coin has been ignored a lot lately.
That would be assessing the value of a Marketing and PR firm with several hundred employees who work for free.
I don't like the assumption that the forums, all of them, aren't a valuable Taldren asset.  That they give nothing back to Taldren Inc.  

Consider what the value of an asset is when it chases off people who would be interested in partnering with Taldren because when they followed the web links to the forum they found vulgarity, profanity, racism and bigotry.  We are truly proud of the over-whelming percentage of the forums that can debate without defacing and have contributions other than the spreading of ill will.

Hence our efforts to keep them alive.


By the way...thank you to those of you who offered the kind words and support. We really needed them.  

Then why have an Off topic forum??????????
It was created to discuss any thing we wanted too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To  now to bring new rules to this forua is stooooooooooooooooooooooooopid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IMHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Hell if I was running a business that had a forum which was a liability, I'd seriously consider axing it...  

Have to agree with you there AX.

The OT forum was kind of cool at times but from a business perspective it's really not worth it. There are more than enough forums, to debate the kind of things that are found there, at other sites. These forums should stick to it's core: SFC (et all) and now Black9

Taldren should just axe it IMHO. Especially if it's true that it was the focus of what took the forums down in the first place.

     

[Toasty0]

Honestly, Folks. Nothing needs to be axed.

I'm startled by the number of folks who're complaining that they're being asked to communicate in an intellegent manner. I knew a few would find the bar set too high for them to contniue, but I had no idea that instead of 2 or 3 there actually exist 5 or 6 folks who have difficulty communicating without resorting to profanity, slurs, threats, and or other scatological posting proclivity.

Like Castrin, I too would like to thank Ann, Erin, and Lan for putting in the extra effort in making this FREE SERVICE FROM TALDREN work for the rest of us. I hope that eventually you 3 will get as much out of this board as MOST of us other FOUR THOUSAND registered users do.

Best,
Jerry    

[Captain KoraH]

1. Everyone knows the Taldren forums are free and that people run them for us at their expence.

2. Some people really don't care and will talk trashy and mean and make everyone look bad.

3. Averyone else is very grateful, even if they don't see this thread and comment on it. If the forum were gone tomorrow, even those who take it for granted would recognize how much it meant to them.

We all know these things, but still sometimes it's good to hear people say...


       Thank you!




 

[grimbeard]

I must say,  that as long as the new admins are fair and impartial, then those that have brought down the wrath of the new order, have been deserving.  I applaud the new kids on the block for saying ' Dont pollute our streets'.   Its too bad that there had to be such calamity earlier.  

[Sirgod]

Quote:
I must say,  that as long as the new admins are fair and impartial, then those that have brought down the wrath of the new order, have been deserving.  I applaud the new kids on the block for saying ' Dont pollute our streets'.   Its too bad that there had to be such calamity earlier.    

I agree GrimBeard, they have my support, and appreciation.

[JayBee]

Well as they like to say Taldren doesnt have to have a forum and I dont have to be here. All true, I also dont have to ever buy another taldren product again, and I also can tell anyone that tells me they are thinking of buying  a taldren product not to.

Lets see I have bought in the last 4 or 5 yrs....

SFC1

SFCGold

EAW

OP and SFC3

When I got SFC1 I told everyone I knew about it and they all got the game and are still around. If things continue the way they are going I WILL NOT ever do that again for taldren, but I will tell peep about all the patch probs and how they took a dump on the forums.

[IKV Nemesis D7L]

When the non Taldren moderators were set up there were those who forecast the end of the forums.  The forums survived.  A change in moderation has occured and again the forecast is doom.   Give the new moderators a chance, you may be pleasantly surprised, again.

For a forum to succeed those who disrupt it must be either removed or reformed.  Those who contribute need to be encouraged to stay and protected from those who just cause trouble.  Of course sometimes those who contribute are also the trouble makers, which is where the reforming comes in.  It is a delicate balance and can take time for a new moderator to achieve.  

I think that some of the people complaining should try admining a forum for a while.  Like many things it is easy to sit on the side lines and complain but much harder to perform in a way that satisfies your goals and the majority of users.    

[JayBee]

It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.

[IKV Nemesis D7L]

Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

[ActiveX]

Quote:
Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

I Mod the busiest section of a forum with close to 10 thousand members (9953 last time I looked) and what you just described is not nearly as common as you make it out to be...

[Toasty0]

Quote:

Quote:
Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

I Mod the busiest section of a forum with close to 10 thousand members (9953 last time I looked) and what you just described is not nearly as common as you make it out to be...  

Just curious: What's the average daily post count and length? And what is the primary focus of this forum you moderate?  

[vsfedwards]

Whoops, forgot to post here...Hoorah to the admins for sorting out the problems!!

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Poster: JayBee

Quote:
It isnt a matter of it being hard, its a matter of being good at it.

I dont have to do it to know I can do better.  

How do you know it is not hard?  How do you know that you could do it better?   I know from experience that it is much harder than people think.  

When  you are a moderator every time you delete or edit a message, thread or member you will be flamed.   You will get everything from insults to death threats.  On the other hand for the very same incident you will be complimented.   It can be very difficult to be fair when the personal attacks start.  Can you keep your cool and moderate without passion but with justice and fairplay?  When you or your personal "sacred cows" get attacked can you be objective and fair?  Can you be fair and consistent when you are sick, hung over or lacking sleep?  

How many of our regulars would you trust to moderate?  I would trust very few of them, because few actually have the ability to moderate without the forums becoming a wide open flame fest (then abandoned) or so censored that again they become abandoned.    

I Mod the busiest section of a forum with close to 10 thousand members (9953 last time I looked) and what you just described is not nearly as common as you make it out to be...  

Just curious: What's the average daily post count and length? And what is the primary focus of this forum you moderate?  

See for yourself: http://www.tombraiderforums.com

Yes I know its a TR forum...

We had a big problem with punks not long ago when AoD (total crap btw) came out...

Oh, and I'm Draco there...

[Toasty0]

LOL...I gotta say that in light of our discussion here I found this blurb for your OT forum halarious.

Quote:
General discussion on Tomb Raider or anything else. Keep it litigation-free!

   

[ActiveX]

Quote:
LOL...I gotta say that in light of our discussion here I found this blurb for your OT forum halarious.

Quote:
General discussion on Tomb Raider or anything else. Keep it litigation-free!

   

 

Hehe...

[KATChuutRitt]

Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

[TheBigCheese]

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

[KATChuutRitt]

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

[Pestalence]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Chutt,

no disrespect intended, but Taldren reserves the right to ban anyone they choose for any reason when they fell like doing so.. it is their privaledge as owners of the Forums... If the current Admins have a listing of trouble makers on this forum as created by David Ferrell when he controlled the boards(I'm not saying that there is, but it is possible), then that is a mark already against them.. and I am sure David would have listed the troublesome posting and thread each time the Terms of Service were violated (if such a list exhists), and as such, there is a record based on user name. Heck there are records of every post ever made and logs of IP addresses and Emaiol addresses that Taldren can draw history on any poster on this Forum or even the old Forum as they have the old Forum Archived for reference. Heck, you can retrieve all postings since this forum started just by using the search function and enter someone's name.. or click on a name and then click on User's postings to get a list.. makes it simple to review people's posting habbits and behaviors. If a person is repeatedly banned/Moderated, then Taldren need not give any explanation at all per Terms of service and the issue involved is between solely Taldren and the violator and is not open to public debate or reposting contriversial threads.posts. I think this applies to the Privacy Act of 1974 which covers records... each post is considered a record once the post is finalized, IE: sent to the forum for public view....  Reposting a deleted thread or post from the Archive could result in a Privacy Act lawsuit due to personal records of a Forum user, Preseent or Former, thus allowing for suit agains the moderator/admin if not the company itself....
The deal is done so I wouldn't expect too much to be done anymore on this subject as Taldren made a decision in the best intrests of their company, and as such it is their right to do so as per Terms of Service (TOS).

Sorry for being windy.
 

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

You want a link to evidence?

Here it is: http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB15

[TheBigCheese]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Actually I think we have crossed wires here,
I thought you were talking about the infamous General Wolfe  

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Actually I think we have crossed wires here,
I thought you were talking about the infamous General Wolfe  

Oops...me too...

[KATChuutRitt]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

Chutt,

no disrespect intended, but Taldren reserves the right to ban anyone they choose for any reason when they fell like doing so.. it is their privaledge as owners of the Forums... If the current Admins have a listing of trouble makers on this forum as created by David Ferrell when he controlled the boards(I'm not saying that there is, but it is possible), then that is a mark already against them.. and I am sure David would have listed the troublesome posting and thread each time the Terms of Service were violated (if such a list exhists), and as such, there is a record based on user name. Heck there are records of every post ever made and logs of IP addresses and Emaiol addresses that Taldren can draw history on any poster on this Forum or even the old Forum as they have the old Forum Archived for reference. Heck, you can retrieve all postings since this forum started just by using the search function and enter someone's name.. or click on a name and then click on User's postings to get a list.. makes it simple to review people's posting habbits and behaviors. If a person is repeatedly banned/Moderated, then Taldren need not give any explanation at all per Terms of service and the issue involved is between solely Taldren and the violator and is not open to public debate or reposting contriversial threads.posts. I think this applies to the Privacy Act of 1974 which covers records... each post is considered a record once the post is finalized, IE: sent to the forum for public view....  Reposting a deleted thread or post from the Archive could result in a Privacy Act lawsuit due to personal records of a Forum user, Preseent or Former, thus allowing for suit agains the moderator/admin if not the company itself....
The deal is done so I wouldn't expect too much to be done anymore on this subject as Taldren made a decision in the best intrests of their company, and as such it is their right to do so as per Terms of Service (TOS).

Sorry for being windy.
 

Np,

Windy is ok...

Thing is, I am looking for evidence where I can feel comfortable supporting this company and its future products>  As they have every right to do as they see fit with their forums, I as a consumer have every right to speak with my dollars.  I am asking only for evidence to make me feel comfortable spending my dollars on Taldren products and recommending them to others.

It is my experience that companies generally wish to promote a positive image to their customers, so I don't think it is out of line for me to ask for such evidence.that would put them in a positive light .

[KATChuutRitt]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
Well,

I usually don't visit the OT forums too muchisn't my cup of tea, but it has every right to exist IMHO.

What gets me is how when someone may have accidentally caused a problem, he was quick to get thrown to the wolves.  

I have seen the other side of the story and it sounds a whole lot more sensible to me at this point.

I hope the new admins/mods will either clarify with hard evidence or undo any witch hunting that was done on emotion and not facts.  Causing a problem by accident is not grounds for a banning in my book.  So I ask the new crew to bring forward the evidence before I can throw my support behind them for their decisions.  Until then I will remain a critic of their removal of a moderator that i think was doing a service to the community.

I like alot of what Taldren has provided us with, the latest OP patches are much appreciated for example, but I will not refrain from expressing my opinion on other matters where I disagree with what I see based on the evidence I have seen.  I welcome anything new that can be brought to light, but I currently cannot see this as anything more than a bann of those who dare to have a different opinion.  Removal of moderater status I can live with if someone don't tote the official line, but banning for differing opinions is just WRONG.  I don't expect those with differing opinions to pucker up, no matter what side of the fence I happen to be on.



 

He was not quickly thrown to the lions, he has been banned multiple times and has created multiple accounts, no one was really surprised he was banned.There was no 'witch hunt' the guy had been warned many times about his coduct.
I applaud the new admin on thier actions
and the fact they are going to be stricter on certain race/religous issues  

Can you Sir provide links to these questionable conduct threads?  I am interested in proofs from which to make my own judgements rather than personal observations by third parties.  I mean no offense to you by this as I'm sure you have resons for your own views, just looking for facts.   As I stated before I see no problem with his removal as a moderater, Taldren has no need to justify its choices in this regard IMHO, and such decisions don't bother me one way of the other.  Banning for differences of opinion a a different issue for me personally.  And while Taldren can do what it wants in this regard as well, my reactions to such action in this case might be dependent upon their justifications or lack thereof.  I don't think it is unfair of me to request evidence on the matter so that I can form an opinion after seeing both sides of the story with as much data to base my assessment of these positions.  Not looking to flame but to be informed.

You want a link to evidence?

Here it is: http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB15  

The same evidence has been entered by the opposing viewpoint as well....

[Taldren_Erin]

Breaking prime directive in not talking about banning details, here, but there have been SO many posts asking about them and in some cases having some misinformation that's being taken to heart.

Crim was not banned for locking the threads, or on the chance that that caused the forum to crash. We don't know exactly what caused the crash. The crash was hardly intentional in and of itself (except on the bizarre .001% chance it was a 'successful' hacking attempt) and we certainly wouldn't have banned for that. However, the rampant thread locking caused a serious disruption to the forums, and with the confusion in the crash (with the locked threads being the last actions logged) at that point we removed Crim's mod status while we tried to figure out what the heck had happened. After we got the forums back up I unlocked the threads again. Crim was still not banned. The banning happened in tandem with GW's following a post on Crim's part that -- and this is my PR side talking -- demonstrated a serious lack of confidence, ahem, in the forum administration, and went beyond that into being seriously inflammatory/insulting. This, coupled with the fact that the thread locking was a very deliberate attempt to disrupt, it was decided warranted banning, by way of enforcing some time away from the forums to cool off. The thread in question was swiftly deleted when both bans went through, and my guess is that as a result some assumptions were made that Crim was banned for "crashing the forum".

The banning is not permanent, on his part or on GW's. They'll have a chance to come back if they want to. What the exact terms of this will be have not yet been determined, but there will be a post in the admin announcement board when they are.

If you have any further questions regarding this situation, please talk to me via PM. I'd rather that these things not be discussed on the boards for the privacy of those concerned.

 

[grimbeard]

Thanks for the explanation.  Glad I wasnt here for it  Too bad you were not here a couple years ago when the mighty XC captains had to fend off some guy (moniker escapes me),  there was mehjoor banningz in that 2 day time period.

[KATChuutRitt]

Thank you for your explanation Erin.

You have restored much of my confidence.  When I see Crimmy back and posting the rest will return as well.  This is exactly the kind of explanation/information that I wanted.  I thank you for it.  I have never questioned Taldren having the right to assign its moderaters as it sees fit, replacing and removing them if necessary, but the banning of individuals due to unproven accusations or differences of opinion has always made me willing to risk my own status on these forums for what I see as a legitimate cause.  I am a man who tries to live by a personal code of ethics.  It is nice to see that further support of Taldren will not be jeopardized by these ethics.  

Again thank you so much, and please don't make the temporary ban last too long.

[Komodo]

And back to the topic of this thread, I'll add my appreciation to the folks at Taldren. This place is an oasis of sorts to so many out there, including myself. One I like to keep coming back to  

[KRolling]

Even I have been abusive of my privileges here and have gotten out of hand with my posting at times.

The admins have my support and respect.  This does not mean I will always have to agree with them.  

I think if we learn to respect ourselves a little more we will be able to respect others.  The love starts within us.

[Dogmatix!]

Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    


 

[KRolling]

Quote:
Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    


 

<chants while bustin' some moves>

Doggy needs more luvin', yes he does.
Doggy needs more l-l-luvin' and he wants it real!!  

[ActiveX]

Quote:

Quote:
Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    


 

<chants while bustin' some moves>

Doggy needs more luvin', yes he does.
Doggy needs more l-l-luvin' and he wants it real!!  

As opposed to Dynareal?

[Scipio_66]

Quote:
Dogmatix barked:
Aaaaah...not love again!  


Make war, not love!    
 

-S'Cipio  

[Dogmatix!]

Good to see that piccy again, S'Cip....you da man..


I loved the "Dogmatix barked:" bit, too...made me laugh.