Topic: SFC3 Single player conquest missions! (Read 9028 times)

Moonhawk · « **on:** February 10, 2003, 04:29:24 pm »

Hi

I am playing the single player conquest campain in SFC3 and was wondering if there are any other mission types available - I have so far only come across 5 types

Attack a ship/ships
Attack a convoy
Attack a starbase
Attack a Planet
Defend against an attack (when moving onto a hex occupied by an enemy ship)

I recall from playing SFC1 and 2 that various missions were available wereby you were called upon for starbase defence and convoy escort duties but this doesnt seem to be the case in SFC3. Also is it possible to get promoted or get medals in this campain. It seems that all the conquest campain is, is endless skirmishes and it is getting a bit boring now that I have a packed to the hilt sovereign!!!! What am I doing wrong (apart from playing the single player conquest)!!

Cheers

Vysander · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2003, 05:05:30 pm »

you have defense missions, but you need perfect timing. At least with online play, if you can catch a person attacking a starbase/convoy/planet within the 45 second countdown you can help defend... sorta

more than one time i've ended up right with the enemy assault fleet either in front or behind them and have the planet still hostile to me

(sooo.. after we both cripple each other we both end up disengaging due to not being able to take the planet and both lose prestige in damage repair....'defending the planet' sorta works if you can afford it....)

Robb Stark · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2003, 05:06:55 pm »

You're not doing anything wrong... that's just the game. The problem with rank advancement is a bug which they will fix with the patch, at least, but the mission diversity is sadly poor in this outing of SFC. I have not heard any news of Taldren doing anything "officially" to help this situation (although I gather there is one more mission, a "Surprised Reverse" variant, which will eventually be available). They haven't said anything about including more missions in a patch or making mission packs for download, as they did in SFC1 when it was released without the Gorn and Hydran campaigns.

However, they have released the API, which will allow sufficiently knowlegable fans to program their own missions. So maybe the community will provide the diversity that we're hoping for. In the mean time, single player gets rather repetitve.

Moonhawk · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2003, 05:20:14 pm »

Cheers for the info - although a bit of a shame really

- was looking forward to some interactive AI mission scripting but sadly is not the case - wonder if anybody will ever come up with this.

would try online play but only have dial up at the moment so single player is wot I got. Had too many problems playing online with SFC1 and SFC2 (connection and speed), apart from the fact that cable and ADSL users are rather unaccomodating (had a mate banned for using dial up to play online)

Cheers anyway and here is to hoping for a good single player freindly patch

shadpwriath · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2003, 05:25:18 pm »

There's also:

Distress call
Scan

You do get to escort a convey but you don't move on your own and the convey seems never to move:/
I've even been called up for defense of a starbase but same as above....nothing happened.

So I'm figreing they just expected EVERYONE to play on-line only.....you can only play on-line only these days if you got a descent system with a descent connection.

Moonhawk · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2003, 05:41:06 pm »

I agree that online play is not an option with a dial up connection especially as games are becoming more sophisticated. Also since at the moment only 66% of the UK population have the facility to access broadband (and probably a much lower proportion actually subscribe at the moment) I think it is a bit of a poor show to cater for online gamers only.

Lieutenant_Q · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2003, 12:08:45 am »

The Numbers arent that much better here in the US. The problem seems to be two fold. One major providers only want to service the big cities. That, while logical cause it connects the most people with the fewest dollars, doesnt work too well, because those in the downtown parts of the city (the ones that get set up first) are usually there (no offense to anyone) because they cant afford to leave, and therefore are unable to afford the price of highspeed internet, or a decent computer either. The biggest market that the companies are servicing is the middle income people that live out in the suburbs, but those of us who live further outside the city limits (for whatever reason) either do not have access, or do not have reliable access. So those are the people who have great systems, top of the line in some cases, are stuck using a dial-up because they have no other choice.

The Second part of the problem affects us all, a limited number of IP addresses to go around. With high speed becoming more popular there simply is not enough addresses to go around. The last time i heard, and that was a few years ago, the internet community was planning on instituting a new numbering system that would essentially add another set onto the number giving the IP addresses 16 sets instead of the current 4. This system seems overly complex, but the powers that be never want to even have to consider doing this again. So that the IP system will still be in place when the Federation is founded in 160 years.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2003, 12:39:43 am »

Yeah...the US has the biggest problem with internet connection.

1: phone line providers only want to lay down even updated POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) to the major cities (ie 3 county coverage cities). Then they might for the majoraly business populated cities. Don't even start about the DSL and cable lines.

2: The areas that do have it only less then 1/4 of the population there even has a comp let alone a hpone and cable tv at times....big area means more numbers in popules but less dollers going around.

3: The we have the internet prviders with a service that is down 1/4 of the time and seem to never of tech's in. On top of that we even have dail-ups that can only get half speed connectins due to crapy POTS.

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Guess what...most of the phone line providers bring in for one quater nearly 13 billion profit..just profit. Yet cry broke and don't even service their own empltees well let alone their forced customers (yes forced as we only got one per state).

grbaker · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2003, 12:55:08 am »

Very similar here in NZ. Dail up still rules as the ADSL service is very poor (you have to hope no one else in your street logs on). You have the choice of a Satellite modem (receive only, normal modem send) or Cable modem that is very expensive.

ADSL is becomming more popular (online gaming etc) but so are the bitches about it response.

Kinda wish game developers would mode Unreal Tournament when designing online games. UT provided a very good multiplayer game to those with 56k modems... showing it can be done.

MrCue · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2003, 06:40:12 am »

You lucky people, us poor people over here in the UK, are forever hitting Traffic Jams and Road Works. Just about anyone and everone has to dig up the roads or pavments. I think they are tring to test our Patience.

Aliasalpha · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2003, 08:13:49 am »

Quote:

Guess what...most of the phone line providers bring in for one quater nearly 13 billion profit..just profit. Yet cry broke and don't even service their own empltees well let alone their forced customers (yes forced as we only got one per state).

Wow, I thought Australia was the king of phone company screwjobs...

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Very similar here in NZ. Dail up still rules as the ADSL service is very poor (you have to hope no one else in your street logs on). You have the choice of a Satellite modem (receive only, normal modem send) or Cable modem that is very expensive.

ADSL is becomming more popular (online gaming etc) but so are the bitches about it response.

Kinda wish game developers would mode Unreal Tournament when designing online games. UT provided a very good multiplayer game to those with 56k modems... showing it can be done.

Australian ADSL is becoming moderately common &, well, not cheap but you don't have to sell a kidney each month to finance it. It's now possible (in theory) to get to most of Australia but typically I chose the company who services all over but charges more for areas outside capital cities. I also used to have an awesome satellite service, 300K a second when it ran well, still had the 56K for uploading but I never used it then anyway.

I too remember when a 56K was more than enough for online gaming (technically I remember the era when a 1200bps modem that you pluged the phone handset into was all that was needed). After the release of Tiberian Sun, I played that a few times when I was stuck on a 56K & it was just as smooth as a skirmish game against the computer. I'm not certain why a game like SFCIII would need so much data, it seems like one of the simpler MP games around at the moment.

wrtworthy · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2003, 10:48:05 am »

hya, i live in wigan (manchester) in the Uk, i also work for comet (electrical shop) and i sign people up to broadband, i also have a 1mb BB conection my self, it cost's me £25 for the modem and £35 a month for 1mb internet (which is great) In the Uk nearly everyone can get BB or ADSL or cable,people that cant, live in remote area's or live in citys but not yet been upgraded but will be so in a year, nearly all the country will be able to get BB AT LESS that £25 A MONTH, so i think the Uk is brill for Broadband and there are thousands signing up for it each day, we also have a ton of ISP's prodving the service and there all keen for everyone to have it, the UK govenment is pushing billions of pounds into getting everyone on Broadband, so i dont know how anyone in the uk can moan about it, and if they do, they should be patiance about it and if they are not, they should go be a technician and go work for BT and do something about it, becuase at the end of the day BT does not have to prodivde Broadband for YOU, its under no commitmenet to, its doing it as a favor, so people in the uk, stop moaning, we have it better then most countrys, do you think if you was anywhere else in the world, (like third world countrys) that you would even get a Phone? or even food, so be greatful that you even have access to a computer and the internet cuase 70% of the worlds population does not.

( sorry im just sick of the moaning form the Uk, and i live in it, lol )

As for SFC3, the conquest sucks :-(

shadpwriath · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2003, 02:53:50 pm »

With SBC, your lucky to get a MAX of 24.4k connection with dial-up. Their minimum is around 9k....ik, twice that times out on JUST most websites. On top of the half speed connection you even have to deal with lost carrier signals on a regular basis.

In the comeing year or two wit the rate I'm seeing DL size's growing use of large file size formats for websites....dail-up it's self will even time out.

Last checked by a local HAM radio operater group here...FCC max data transfer over POTS is 48k with no minimum.

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Heh, I'm one of those out almost 3 hours of a major city and have fresh of the line set-ups on everything. But get shafted with local services just because the population denisty isn't high enough. Wish they looked at the income value of the land rather then the popuplation density....they would in turn get more profit catering to the end user market that way.

Moonhawk · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2003, 04:12:52 am »

wrtworthy - calm down a bit

- I havent seen anybody on this thread from the UK moaning about ADSL. I simply made the comment that a game should not be made to cater for an ADSL capable audience (The back of the SFC3 box says that a 28.8k modem is required for online play - yeh right

) when the majority of the country either havent signed up or are not able to receive it (regardless of what the government are doing or who will have it in 12 months time). My beef is with the undynamic repetative mission scripting for the single player domination campain and not ADSL so I suggest you take your rant elsewhere.

Also BT are not providing ADSL for our benefit - they are doing it to make money plain and simple (just like every other company out there). I`m just off now to dig up our road and lay my own ADSL cable - should ba able to cross wire into the telephne lines across the street using some sticky back plastic and a washing up bottle - might as well do something about it myself eh

MarvinKosh · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:52:25 pm »

The single player conquest campaigns have the potential to be a bit better. What would be nice is not so much an increased variety of missions, because missions are formulaic, get X and Y and go to Z affairs, if you'll forgive me for saying so. It would be nice to jump into a generic patrol mission and actually see things that require a bit of brainwork to figure out. And, perhaps, a bit less of the shoot-it-until-it-dies treatment and a bit more of the opening of hailing frequencies.

In other words, a sort of dynamic mission/scenario/situation creator which works out a consistent-seeming storyline i.e. if you go to co-ordinates X, Y like you're told at the end of mission 1 you pick up the next segment and find mission 2, if not then no harm done, after all why should you trust someone passing you intelligence, the origin of which you have no idea about? Throw in a bit of a conspiracy, keep the player guessing about who they can trust (to think on it, it would be nice if the guys you fleet up with from time to time had their own agendas and occasionally talked to you about, I don't know.... anything!

It would also be nice if some missions would work better with a ship that's lean and fast rather than loaded with guns.

I know it's a lot to ask, but I'm pretty sure someone could come up with a way to write this.

dgray · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2003, 01:53:13 pm »

For people in the UK who have broadband, who do you use and who is the cheapest. I saw Pipex offering broadband for £24 per month and £24 sign up. Do you reckon this is a good deal. The problem with dial up is that games and programs are so complex now that patchs and service packs (win xp) seem massive to me. The service pack for win xp would take me all night to download and the patch for sfc3 is over 15mb which will take me a few hours or more. I wish i could comfortably afford broadband, shame i'm not covered by cable in my area.

Stormbringer · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2003, 05:58:16 pm »

There is (or used to be) a pen and paper game called Paranoia. " The computer is your friend...trust the computer." The computer then set about destroying friendships, turning friends into assassins, plotting to kill you, having you act against your friends and so on. For some reason, your post reminded me of that old game.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2003, 09:12:40 pm »

Missions should also be set more goal orintated to the race.

Feds go into everything open handed and talking, only resurting to vilence when first attacked them self.

Klingons go in shooting and souting....usealy the first to attack,

Roms like to be unknown and would rather not make or have their presence known (random missions don't really work for them)

Borg ignore everything that is not a threat (but nothing goes unwatched with in their controled space) and assimilate everything in their path...dystroying only to the point they can assimilate it.

MarvinKosh · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2003, 01:06:17 pm »

It was X-Files and maybe B5 that came to mind when I wrote that

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