Topic: F-CLH, Date Introduced?

[CyberHank1701]

Hello,

I noticed while using the customizable Federation "Hostile Skirmish" mission in SFC1 that it lists the Federation Hospital Ship's (F-CLH) Introduction Date as "2350".  That cannot be right, shouldn't it be 2250, or at the very latest 2305?  If it is 2250 then I should use a Light Cruiser mod with TOS warp engines to represent it, such as Atrahasis'es USS Surya or USS Coventry.  However, if it is indeed 2305 then I should use a Light Cruiser mod with TMP warp engines to represent it, such as Ghost Fox's USS Anton or Wicked Zombie's USS Lantree.

CyberHank1701
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[wanderer]

According to the SFB Master Ship Time Line, the CLH was introduced in Y140, or in SFC terms, 2240.

From Module R2:

"Two old-stlye (Texas Class) light cruisers were converted for use as hospital ships (NCC 948 Refuge and NCC 949 Sanctuary). They were intended for peacetime use in fighting plagues and other natural disasters. Being buillt in warship hulls (albeit old ones), they could reach the scene of any outbreak within the fraction of the time needed by Auxiliary Hospital Ships."  

[Fire Blade]

I use WZ's  Mc Coy Class Hospital ship an  Excelsior Vaient  

[Atrahasis]

For those SFB dates, the base year should be 2110, not just 2100, so Y140 translates to 2250, which makes it a TOS ship at the time of Christopher Pike. The Texas seems to get a lot of use in SFB, I'm gonna have to model it soon. But make it better looking than the original design of course.

I think the reason the start year for the hospital ship is listed as 999 is because it is only supposed to be used in one of the single player missions, and it doesn't have much place or use appearing in a buyable shiplist at a dock. One idea is you could assign it the correct start year and assign it as a freighter, in which case it would show up on those freighter missions.  

[CyberHank1701]

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According to the SFB Master Ship Time Line, the CLH was introduced in Y140, or in SFC terms, 2240.

From Module R2:

"Two old-stlye (Texas Class) light cruisers were converted for use as hospital ships (NCC 948 Refuge and NCC 949 Sanctuary). They were intended for peacetime use in fighting plagues and other natural disasters. Being buillt in warship hulls (albeit old ones), they could reach the scene of any outbreak within the fraction of the time needed by Auxiliary Hospital Ships."  

Thanks Wanderer, but 2240 seems a little too early, unless the Hospital Light Cruisers only used "pure impulse" warp drive engines, meaning they (Hospital Ships) could not fire their Type 3 Phasers while in warp.  Atrahasis talks about the "pure impulse" warp drive engine theory based on TAS episode "The Time Trap" regarding the USS Bonadventure.  He applies this theory to TOS Romulan Bird Of Prey as well, at his website ( http://www.geocities.com/atrahasis1/index.html ).   Additionallly, I thought the original Enterprise was launched in 2245 with Captain Robert April in command.  So it seems to me that  a Hospital Ship (Light Cruiser) to be built before the Constitution (NCC 1700, Heavy Cruiser) a little odd, no offense.  I appreciate your response.  Maybe I am wrong, maybe Starfleet did build Light Cruisers before they built Heavy Cruisers and then used the old Light Cruisers as Hospital Ships.  By the way, what is "Module R2"?

CyberHank1701
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[Atrahasis]

Actually, Cyberhawk, this may surprise you: there are at least 2 different dates for the commissioning of the Constitution-class starships........the first is in the 2240's, and this is according to the 1970's book "The Making of Star Trek". The other date is round about 2214-2220, and this is according to the Starfleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph, also published in the 1970's, but you have to be able to read the stardates he uses. Our game, SFC, if you take a close look, assumes the 2220's date because that's the date that SFB uses.

Actually, the Starfleet Technical Manual says that there were "batches" of Heavy Cruisers made at certain dates in the 23rd century, the batches each having class names. The first batch was the "Constitution", the second "BonHomme Richard", the third "Achernar". The BonHommes were contracted in the 2230's and built and launched in the 2240's, according to the dates in the Manual. At some point, the original 1701 had to have recieved an upgrade to the BonHomme specs, and this was probably in the 2240's.  

[CyberHank1701]

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I use WZ's  Mc Coy Class Hospital ship an  Excelsior Vaient    

Thanks Fire Blade I went to WickedZombie's website and found the USS McCoy at http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/omega/index2.shtml , in the Federation Heavy Cruiser Section.  After looking at it I decided it is the wrong type of mod to represent the Hospital Light Cruiser for me.  In this particular case I perfer to replace the stock SFC1 Hospital Light Cruiser mod  with a mod that matches the geometry of the 2 dimensional tactical display of it, i.e. a Light Cruiser, such as the Light Cruisers I mentioned in my first post.

Thanks anyway,

CyberHank1701
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[Atrahasis]

Hey.......so what is this "Auxiliary Hospital Ship" that was mentioned? Any info or SSD's or specs or diagrams? I might want to model that as well.  

[CyberHank1701]

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For those SFB dates, the base year should be 2110, not just 2100, so Y140 translates to 2250, which makes it a TOS ship at the time of Christopher Pike. The Texas seems to get a lot of use in SFB, I'm gonna have to model it soon. But make it better looking than the original design of course.

I think the reason the start year for the hospital ship is listed as 999 is because it is only supposed to be used in one of the single player missions, and it doesn't have much place or use appearing in a buyable shiplist at a dock. One idea is you could assign it the correct start year and assign it as a freighter, in which case it would show up on those freighter missions.  

Thanks Atrahasis, I look forward to your design of the Hospital Light Cruiser.  For now I plan on using either your USS Surya mod or USS Coventry mod to represent the Hospital Ship in the mean time.

CyberHank1701
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[Atrahasis]

Surprise......I actully made a Ptolemy-class transport with a Hospital ship container way back when, another one I have to re-release. There was also a Deuterium Tanker version.  

[CyberHank1701]

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Actually, Cyberhawk, this may surprise you: there are at least 2 different dates for the commissioning of the Constitution-class starships........the first is in the 2240's, and this is according to the 1970's book "The Making of Star Trek". The other date is round about 2214-2220, and this is according to the Starfleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph, also published in the 1970's, but you have to be able to read the stardates he uses. Our game, SFC, if you take a close look, assumes the 2220's date because that's the date that SFB uses.

Actually, the Starfleet Technical Manual says that there were "batches" of Heavy Cruisers made at certain dates in the 23rd century, the batches each having class names. The first batch was the "Constitution", the second "BonHomme Richard", the third "Achernar". The BonHommes were contracted in the 2230's and built and launched in the 2240's, according to the dates in the Manual. At some point, the original 1701 had to have recieved an upgrade to the BonHomme specs, and this was probably in the 2240's.  

Thanks again Atrahasis, I salute you.  Actually I do have Franz Joseph (Schnaubelt) Starfleet Technical Manual.  I bought it in 1986, it is the Star Trek 20th Anniversary Edition in paper back, dated 8609.01 (September 01, 1986).  The First Edition was released in 7511.01 (November 01, 1975) in hard back.  I actually saw a first edition, a coworker had shown me in 1986.  I was just lucky enough that Ballantine Books released the paper back edition at the same time my coworker enlightened me about the original edition.  It been a while since I read it, I will have to go back and read it again.

Thanks for the tip,

CyberHank1701
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[CyberHank1701]

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Surprise......I actully made a Ptolemy-class transport with a Hospital ship container way back when, another one I have to re-release. There was also a Deuterium Tanker version.  

Cool!  Sounds good to me, I can't wait.

Thanks Atrahasis,

CyberHank1701
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[CyberHank1701]

By the way, can anyone explain the Ship Class Type Initials for a Federation Heavy Cruiser?  If a Federation New Light Cruiser has the Ship Type Initials F-NCL then why does a Federation Heavy Cruiser have the Ship Type Initials F-CA?  Shouldn't it be F-CH for Federation Heavy Cruiser or F-HC for Federation Heavy Cruiser and F-NLC for Federation New Light Cruiser?  What's the deal?  Was ADB and/or FASA dislexic?

CyberHank1701
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[nx_adam_1701]

Me too sounds kool

adam out

[Lieutenant_Q]

The term CA is No longer used today in the Wet Navies.  Early Cruisers were first termed C.  Then they were termed as CA, probably when they began using Diesel instead of Coal as fuel.  The latest incarnation of Cruisers is actually CG.  Which means that they are now Guided Missile Cruisers.  There are no Heavy Cruisers in the wet navies today, they are simply termed Cruisers.  The following Terms are used in the US Navy today.  Ships in SFB are generally named after thier Wet navy equivilent, so this list (except the Submarines) is generally where they got their Abbreviations from.

FF - Frigate*
DD - Destroyer
DDG- Guided Missile Destroyer
CL - Light Cruiser**
CLG - Guided Missile Light Cruiser**?
C- Early Cruiser**
CA - Cruiser**
CAG - Cruiser with Missile Refit**
CG- Guided Missile Cruiser
SS - Submarine**
SSN- Nuclear Attack Submarine
SSBN- Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine
CV -Aircraft Carrier
CVN - Nuclear Aircraft Carrier
BB- BattleShip**

* - I know that Frigates exist, but I cannot find refernce to them on the Navy's website.
** - Class no longer used in todays navy
**? - Again I know the CLGs existed at one point in time, but if they exist today, Navy's Website doesnt say.

Non-Combatant Craft/ Support Ships:

LHA - Amphibious Assault Ship
LHD - Amphibious Assault Ship w/ Guided Missile upgrade.
LCC - Amphibious Command Ship
LPD - Amphibious Transport Dock
AGF - Command Ship (used to Command Fleets w/o an Aircraft Carrier)
LSD - Dock Landing Ships
LCAC - Landing Craft, Air Cushioned (aka Hover craft)
LCM - Mechanized Landing Craft
LCU - Utility Landing Craft

I labeled most of these classes as Non-combatants because they are relatively unarmed,  Defensive Weapons or Ground Support Weapons only.  

[Desty_Nova]

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Hey.......so what is this "Auxiliary Hospital Ship" that was mentioned? Any info or SSD's or specs or diagrams? I might want to model that as well.  

Judgining from the name, I'm guessing it's a standard freighter that replaces the cargo pod with a hospital pod. This is usually what the term 'auxilliary' means. Also, it's mentioned that they are slow, also implying they are freighters.

[Bernard Guignard]

hi Atra
   this is what the std small freighter to create small aux ships look like.
 

all the best  

[CyberHank1701]

Thanks Lieutenant_Q for the info regarding F-CA designation for  Federation Heavy Cruiser.

CyberHank1701
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[Atrahasis]

LOL is that all a Aux Ship is? I have that modelled already, practically....it's a Ptolemy pod with thingies at the ends. I might do it soon.

I agree with Cyberhank, Heavy Cruiser should be CH and in fact Ships of the Starfleet uses that designation, in contrast to SFB/SFC. The "A" might originally have had some kind of "attack" or "armored" meaning to it in the old wet navies.

 

[Atrahasis]

PS Just for reference, can someone post or send me the specs for this kind of auxiliary ship? Again, it might help to decide details. Unless of course it's already basically in the standard shiplist we have...?

[CyberHank1701]

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Hello,

I noticed while using the customizable Federation "Hostile Skirmish" mission in SFC1 that it lists the Federation Hospital Ship's (F-CLH) Introduction Date as "2350".  That cannot be right, shouldn't it be 2250, or at the very latest 2305?  If it is 2250 then I should use a Light Cruiser mod with TOS warp engines to represent it, such as Atrahasis'es USS Surya or USS Coventry.  However, if it is indeed 2305 then I should use a Light Cruiser mod with TMP warp engines to represent it, such as Ghost Fox's USS Anton or Wicked Zombie's USS Lantree.

CyberHank1701
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Correction!  My first post should read:

'I noticed while using the customizable Federation "Hostile Skirmish" mission in SFC1 that it lists the Federation Hospital Ship's (F-CLH) Introduction Date as      "3250" .'  

  NOT "2350 "  

I apologize for the mistake of transposing the "3" and "2" of the Intro Date, both dates are wrong (2350 and 3250), they are way too late.  I appreciate everyones input, it has been helpful.  For this particular SFC1 customizable "Hostile Skirmish" that came with the game the Hospital Ship (F-CLH) is only available during the "Late" Era given its erroneous Intro Date of 3250.  Fortunately I am able to create any skirmish mission with any ship or other objects regardless of thier Introduction Date by using  Eagle Eye Software Group's Fleet Mission Script Editor (FMSE) program.  I also use their Ship Edit program to replace the stock SFC1 mods with better mods created by the people in this community.  Thank you, all of you modders and skirmish mission creaters whether its a FMSE skirmish mission or MS Visual C++ skirmish mission.  In addition thank you Eagle Eye, Paul J. Schaefer and James E. Cartrer. Sorry to see that Eagle Eye is no longer around/online.   Everyones contribution has made SFC1 more enjoyable and extended the games life beyond its initial lifespan.  I even have a TNG MS Visual C++ Skirmish Mission someone created based on TNG Episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" .  I have the Enterprise C mod (mapped to F-CA) and Enterprise D mod (mapped to F-BCJ) for this particular TNG Skirmish Mission.  I am using WickedZombies Ent-C and Ent-D, thanks guy.  The point is I can play SFC1 during any Era (TOS, TMP, TNG) because of everyones contribution.  I think the late Gene Roddenberry would be impressed with all of this, to see his creation come to life for us fans via computer gaming 37 years after the first episode of TOS aired.

CyberHank1701
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[Bernard Guignard]

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LOL is that all a Aux Ship is? I have that modelled already, practically....it's a Ptolemy pod with thingies at the ends. I might do it soon.

I agree with Cyberhank, Heavy Cruiser should be CH and in fact Ships of the Starfleet uses that designation, in contrast to SFB/SFC. The "A" might originally have had some kind of "attack" or "armored" meaning to it in the old wet navies.

 

no this is for the small aux ships the large ones have 2pods side by side with the bridge and impulse frame in the middle.
 


 

[CyberHank1701]

Atrahasis,

 I noticed that the SFC1 version of USS Surya does not have a break mod, but it does have a break mod for the SFC2 version (file surya2_brk.MOD).  Any chance you could make a SFC1 break mod of  the Surya?


CyberHank1701
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