Topic: SFC Andro and Tholian models (Read 12116 times)

David Ferrell · « **on:** October 06, 2003, 02:09:15 pm »

Erik gave me permission to release them, so here they are:

http://208.57.228.4/GAW_Models.zip

Enjoy!

Dave

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:16:16 pm »

Thanks, Dave.

These may come in handy someday.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:40:53 pm »

Thank you, thank you, thank you, a thousand times, thank you!

Rivaris · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:47:35 pm »

thx great stuff

Lepton1 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:48:02 pm »

Cool models. Anyone remember the easter egg for the TRL to swap in out for the PPD??

Rhaz · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:59:17 pm »

Thank you Taldren!!

Strafer · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2003, 03:57:00 pm »

Thanks David for the initiative, and thanks Erik for the go-ahead.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:00:59 pm »

You are all welcome!

If anyone wishes to mirror them, please do.

Thanks,

Dave

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:05:03 pm »

Strafer · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:10:08 pm »

*Blink*

Is that... a Wyn base?

David Ferrell · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:42:55 pm »

Here is the concept art for the various models:

http://208.57.228.4/GAW_Concepts.zip

and a couple of personal favs:

Thanks,

Dave

Aldaron · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:46:38 pm »

This is great! Nice to see that you guys were seriously considering doing GAW

FireSoul · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:51:34 pm »

Up it goes..

David Ferrell · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:01:27 pm »

As of Feb 2000, yeah.

I couldn't find the moc up of the Andro interface, just think
green and yellow and you get the idea.

Thanks,

Dave

Lepton1 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:21:13 pm »

Andro concepts are great. It's killing me that all this was developed three years ago. Of course I undertstand these are just models but it suggests that a bit more game engine related work must have occurred as well.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:39:52 pm »

Nope. Race pics were not done for either the Andros or Tholians.

Thanks,

Dave

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:42:54 pm »

Absolutely wonderful. Any recommended stats or shall we defer to Firesoul? I'm STILL d/l on 56k so pardon me if the answer is obvious.

I still don't understand why a SFC: OP Gold couln't have been released with these ships AND the SFC1 missions. I'd buy two copies myself... I am very grateful for this peice of GAW that never came to pass.

Qapla!

KF

David Ferrell · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:44:43 pm »

These are just the raw models and art. The scales are probably
way off as they never were added in the game.

Thanks,

Dave

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:57:53 pm »

Wow... fantastic....

Makes one ponder how open Taldren would be to allowing some of the fine programers we have adding scripts and SQL to the game access to the stuff they need to actually make our own GAW?

Regardless of the answers... thank you for all the effort that has been placed into this product.

SkyFlyer · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2003, 06:48:30 pm »

Thats a good idea... We could use the OP engine, but trash the pirate map..

im sure some people here have to competance to be able to do this

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2003, 07:01:16 pm »

Now if we can get somebody with .MAX to convert some of the Andromedan models to .MOD format...

The Klingon Academy Tholians are a bit distorted. I have all of DarkMatrix's KA conversions and their textures, light maps and mod files have been updated. I will get them up soon. I do like the Tholian fighter, frieghter and starbase.

Qapla!

KF

Aldaron · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2003, 07:58:17 pm »

Problem with putting them in is that none of the mechanics for the races are there, although the Thloians would only be missing their webs and the ability to pinwheel (big part of their makeup). The Andromedans are missing the displacement device, PA panels, increased batteries (can be simulated I guess), PA panels stopping all tansporting inside side, transporting SS outside.....etc.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2003, 08:44:05 pm »

Quote:

Problem with putting them in is that none of the mechanics for the races are there, although the Thloians would only be missing their webs and the ability to pinwheel (big part of their makeup). The Andromedans are missing the displacement device, PA panels, increased batteries (can be simulated I guess), PA panels stopping all tansporting inside side, transporting SS outside.....etc.

These are not insurmountable problems. We may not have the EXACT tools but we can approximate things. Displacement devices can be substituted with Cloaking devices and armor/shields can simulate PA panels. Actual scripted missions can cover some of the missing special effects too (not my area of expertise).

Qapla!

KF

IndyShark · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2003, 08:45:59 pm »

These models are too cool! Can someone post pictures of all of them? I can't wait to see the Tholians!
Thanks

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2003, 08:59:04 pm »

Anyone notice the name on the Mirak pics... Xinti! Sound familiar? Maybe replace the T with a D? Hmmmm.

3dot14 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:03:04 pm »

Excellent!

(on the other hand, I think we can also consider these two more nails in GAW's coffin. I mean if Taldren realistically expect to do GaW in the future, they won't give this away...)

Thanks again dave, we must treasure all we get now.

jualdeaux · « **Reply #27 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:44:16 pm »

I have to say, the models for the Tholian DN, Starbase and fighter are really cool. it would have been interesting to see them in game.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #28 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:45:29 pm »

Every Klingon Academy Style Tholian for SFC I have is now at SFU.

Don't forget P81's TMP Andromedans and DarkMatrix's kitbashes of them at SFU. These will nicley round out the Taldren Andros that weren't made...

Thanks again Taldren staff!

Qapla!

KF

James Formo · « **Reply #29 on:** October 07, 2003, 01:47:42 am »

Sweet models and art. Thanks Dave

DarkMatrix · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2003, 03:15:20 am »

THANKYOU VERY MUCH great to see we getting some other races off you guys you give us the best game in the world to play and mod for a dream come true for alot of us

hope you do more sfc i tell you now you got a Big fanbase ready to buy

DM

starforce2 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 07, 2003, 03:21:57 am »

wow, nice, Love that tholian base.

I_Mudd · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2003, 07:51:39 am »

Hey 3dot14,

Maybe this isn't the end of the dream.

We've always thought we could one day go purchase GAW ... and now, for this game engine, it seems like that possibility is near gone. But, thinking "outside the box" for a moment lead me to wonder about a few things. This is purely speculation.

Erik said once he really wanted to produce GAW. He obviously knows how badly we fans would like - no LOVE - this addition to his game. Just how much work was really done? Models were unexpected, at least by me. Sure, you'd need to test results with something, but any model from the existing game could've been used for that. From a financial standpoint, time = $$$, that would seem right; code first, art last. Maybe I'm wrong ...

Now for the big "What if ...?" part. What if models and production art were not all Erik was willing to make available for the fans? (My jaded and cynical side is really making it hard to make this post seriously, but really, what if?) It's not like I'm ungratefull for what has been released. He didn't have to O.K. anything, but for whatever reason, he did. He has my thanks at the very least. His generosity is greatly apprieciated.

Those max file, he knew, would be converted into ship mods and used. No harm there, can't control what the fans do with them. Now if he were to release other "add-ins", perhaps, with a little community effort and a wink and a nod from Taldren, we would indeed have GAW. No law says he can't give the stuff away if he can't profit financially from it.

Ok,ok...It's all wishful thinking and fairy tales. My jaded and cynical side has come back to control this post. This will never happen, as there is no Easter bunny and no code to add. There are no additional UI's for the extra races and no way to add them anyways. There are no ways to include pinwheeling and webs. The game maps will not support the additional Empires...cartels are just a work around. There is no ...

hmmm ... is hope really that dead on this issue? Have we beaten the horse to glue and now stuck fast ...?

[heavysigh.wav]

This is too frustrating and too depressing. I'm going to go breath a little more life into TOS and finish up a model.

I_Mudd.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2003, 08:49:56 am »

Are those Tholian models the exact same ones from Klingon Academy or modified ones or different ones altogether?

Chris Jones · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2003, 12:21:04 pm »

Well isn't this just kool - Thanks Dave and Erik - btw - I'm still reading Eric's book on game development. Can't put it down - read through it twice now..

Time to re-think the TNG Mod for OP with these babies released.

Kudos!!

Sethan · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2003, 02:54:37 pm »

Those are too cool.

Thank you gentlemen.

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2003, 04:54:24 pm »

Forgive my ignorance,

but is there a paticular tool you are supposed to view these with?

Captain "without a clue" Krenn

Strafer · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2003, 05:13:11 pm »

ModViewer.

I know FireSoul has it online at http://klingon.stasis.ca under the sources & utils section...

Budgie Blade · « **Reply #41 on:** October 07, 2003, 07:48:23 pm »

These models are great!

Thanks for releasing them. Greatly appreciate it!

Jim · « **Reply #42 on:** October 07, 2003, 10:57:47 pm »

Yeah! Too cool... thanks Dave! (and Erik)

Jim

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #43 on:** October 08, 2003, 10:21:20 am »

Cool!

Thanks for the links guys!

These models are awesome!

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #44 on:** October 08, 2003, 08:46:23 pm »

Anybody notice that the Tholian fighter is flying backwards? That needs to be tweaked.

KF

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #45 on:** October 08, 2003, 09:30:39 pm »

Someone want to do me a favor and post screens of the downloads?

VelvetAcidChrist · « **Reply #46 on:** October 09, 2003, 01:30:57 am »

here you go:

i hope your´re satisfied now,

cheers

VAC

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #47 on:** October 09, 2003, 05:34:33 am »

Thanks to DarkMatrix for MORE pics and fixing MORE of the GAW ships:

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=185978&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1&PHPSESSID=

The Tholian fighter is flying backwards in the game and needs to be turned around. Somebody please fix this.

Qapla!

KF

kiloton · « **Reply #48 on:** October 09, 2003, 03:09:55 pm »

Dave and Eric,

Thank you so much for letting these see the light of day. We all appreciate it.

Ah, what might have been...

Ken

Rogue · « **Reply #49 on:** October 09, 2003, 04:32:07 pm »

I've been meanining to post this comment for some time and finally decided to do so...

"Gee, I didn't get you anything."

Much appreciation for letting us have these. Ah... what could have been. Having to contend with webcasters would have been fun. But Andy changes everything. Webs are one thing but P/A technology, displacement devices and TR beams makes for a hairy deep space encounter. Then again... trying to peal the web layer away from a Tholian Battlestation would have made for some tall tales. And many tears.

I wished some of the our SFC brothers could have gotten the full measure of the Andromedan conflict. Depending on how you matched up tacticly you need a BPV edge to whip a good Andromedan captain. Abandon anything that resembles a saber dance tactic.

APEXNETHOR · « **Reply #53 on:** October 11, 2003, 03:10:01 pm »

Whoa those are really nice loking pics! Its to bad they never had the chance to introduce those ships and bases into the past SFC games.

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #55 on:** October 12, 2003, 01:57:52 pm »

So what are the names of the three Andro ships? I need them for...research purposes, yes, that's it.

3dot14 · « **Reply #56 on:** October 12, 2003, 02:27:11 pm »

Not sure what you mean by "the three"...

http://www.darkshire.org/~jhkim/sfb/aids/msc/R10-andr.html

But you can find the Andro ship-class designations here.

If you want individual ship names... well then you might have to wait for someone with their SFB campaign scenario books.

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #57 on:** October 12, 2003, 04:47:57 pm »

Why does it list more pages than there are?

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #58 on:** October 12, 2003, 05:33:10 pm »

I meant the class names of the three ships that David gave us (the CL, CA, and DN equivalents).

David Ferrell · « **Reply #59 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:09:15 pm »

Erik gave me permission to release them, so here they are:

http://208.57.228.4/GAW_Models.zip

Enjoy!

Dave

Karnak · « **Reply #60 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:16:16 pm »

Thanks, Dave.

These may come in handy someday.

Rod O'neal · « **Reply #61 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:40:53 pm »

Thank you, thank you, thank you, a thousand times, thank you!

Rivaris · « **Reply #62 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:47:35 pm »

thx great stuff

Lepton1 · « **Reply #63 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:48:02 pm »

Cool models. Anyone remember the easter egg for the TRL to swap in out for the PPD??

Rhaz · « **Reply #64 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:59:17 pm »

Thank you Taldren!!

Strafer · « **Reply #65 on:** October 06, 2003, 03:57:00 pm »

Thanks David for the initiative, and thanks Erik for the go-ahead.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #66 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:00:59 pm »

You are all welcome!

If anyone wishes to mirror them, please do.

Thanks,

Dave

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #67 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:05:03 pm »

Strafer · « **Reply #68 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:10:08 pm »

*Blink*

Is that... a Wyn base?

David Ferrell · « **Reply #69 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:42:55 pm »

Here is the concept art for the various models:

http://208.57.228.4/GAW_Concepts.zip

and a couple of personal favs:

Thanks,

Dave

Aldaron · « **Reply #70 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:46:38 pm »

This is great! Nice to see that you guys were seriously considering doing GAW

FireSoul · « **Reply #71 on:** October 06, 2003, 04:51:34 pm »

Up it goes..

David Ferrell · « **Reply #72 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:01:27 pm »

As of Feb 2000, yeah.

I couldn't find the moc up of the Andro interface, just think
green and yellow and you get the idea.

Thanks,

Dave

Lepton1 · « **Reply #73 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:21:13 pm »

Andro concepts are great. It's killing me that all this was developed three years ago. Of course I undertstand these are just models but it suggests that a bit more game engine related work must have occurred as well.

David Ferrell · « **Reply #74 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:39:52 pm »

Nope. Race pics were not done for either the Andros or Tholians.

Thanks,

Dave

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #75 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:42:54 pm »

Absolutely wonderful. Any recommended stats or shall we defer to Firesoul? I'm STILL d/l on 56k so pardon me if the answer is obvious.

I still don't understand why a SFC: OP Gold couln't have been released with these ships AND the SFC1 missions. I'd buy two copies myself... I am very grateful for this peice of GAW that never came to pass.

Qapla!

KF

David Ferrell · « **Reply #76 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:44:43 pm »

These are just the raw models and art. The scales are probably
way off as they never were added in the game.

Thanks,

Dave

TOCXOBearslayer · « **Reply #77 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:57:53 pm »

Wow... fantastic....

Makes one ponder how open Taldren would be to allowing some of the fine programers we have adding scripts and SQL to the game access to the stuff they need to actually make our own GAW?

Regardless of the answers... thank you for all the effort that has been placed into this product.

SkyFlyer · « **Reply #78 on:** October 06, 2003, 06:48:30 pm »

Thats a good idea... We could use the OP engine, but trash the pirate map..

im sure some people here have to competance to be able to do this

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #79 on:** October 06, 2003, 07:01:16 pm »

Now if we can get somebody with .MAX to convert some of the Andromedan models to .MOD format...

The Klingon Academy Tholians are a bit distorted. I have all of DarkMatrix's KA conversions and their textures, light maps and mod files have been updated. I will get them up soon. I do like the Tholian fighter, frieghter and starbase.

Qapla!

KF

Aldaron · « **Reply #80 on:** October 06, 2003, 07:58:17 pm »

Problem with putting them in is that none of the mechanics for the races are there, although the Thloians would only be missing their webs and the ability to pinwheel (big part of their makeup). The Andromedans are missing the displacement device, PA panels, increased batteries (can be simulated I guess), PA panels stopping all tansporting inside side, transporting SS outside.....etc.

IndyShark · « **Reply #82 on:** October 06, 2003, 08:45:59 pm »

These models are too cool! Can someone post pictures of all of them? I can't wait to see the Tholians!
Thanks

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #83 on:** October 06, 2003, 08:59:04 pm »

Anyone notice the name on the Mirak pics... Xinti! Sound familiar? Maybe replace the T with a D? Hmmmm.

3dot14 · « **Reply #84 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:03:04 pm »

Excellent!

(on the other hand, I think we can also consider these two more nails in GAW's coffin. I mean if Taldren realistically expect to do GaW in the future, they won't give this away...)

Thanks again dave, we must treasure all we get now.

jualdeaux · « **Reply #86 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:44:16 pm »

I have to say, the models for the Tholian DN, Starbase and fighter are really cool. it would have been interesting to see them in game.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #87 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:45:29 pm »

Every Klingon Academy Style Tholian for SFC I have is now at SFU.

Don't forget P81's TMP Andromedans and DarkMatrix's kitbashes of them at SFU. These will nicley round out the Taldren Andros that weren't made...

Thanks again Taldren staff!

Qapla!

KF

James Formo · « **Reply #88 on:** October 07, 2003, 01:47:42 am »

Sweet models and art. Thanks Dave

DarkMatrix · « **Reply #89 on:** October 07, 2003, 03:15:20 am »

THANKYOU VERY MUCH great to see we getting some other races off you guys you give us the best game in the world to play and mod for a dream come true for alot of us

hope you do more sfc i tell you now you got a Big fanbase ready to buy

DM

starforce2 · « **Reply #90 on:** October 07, 2003, 03:21:57 am »

wow, nice, Love that tholian base.

I_Mudd · « **Reply #92 on:** October 07, 2003, 07:51:39 am »

Hey 3dot14,

Maybe this isn't the end of the dream.

We've always thought we could one day go purchase GAW ... and now, for this game engine, it seems like that possibility is near gone. But, thinking "outside the box" for a moment lead me to wonder about a few things. This is purely speculation.

Erik said once he really wanted to produce GAW. He obviously knows how badly we fans would like - no LOVE - this addition to his game. Just how much work was really done? Models were unexpected, at least by me. Sure, you'd need to test results with something, but any model from the existing game could've been used for that. From a financial standpoint, time = $$$, that would seem right; code first, art last. Maybe I'm wrong ...

Now for the big "What if ...?" part. What if models and production art were not all Erik was willing to make available for the fans? (My jaded and cynical side is really making it hard to make this post seriously, but really, what if?) It's not like I'm ungratefull for what has been released. He didn't have to O.K. anything, but for whatever reason, he did. He has my thanks at the very least. His generosity is greatly apprieciated.

Those max file, he knew, would be converted into ship mods and used. No harm there, can't control what the fans do with them. Now if he were to release other "add-ins", perhaps, with a little community effort and a wink and a nod from Taldren, we would indeed have GAW. No law says he can't give the stuff away if he can't profit financially from it.

Ok,ok...It's all wishful thinking and fairy tales. My jaded and cynical side has come back to control this post. This will never happen, as there is no Easter bunny and no code to add. There are no additional UI's for the extra races and no way to add them anyways. There are no ways to include pinwheeling and webs. The game maps will not support the additional Empires...cartels are just a work around. There is no ...

hmmm ... is hope really that dead on this issue? Have we beaten the horse to glue and now stuck fast ...?

[heavysigh.wav]

This is too frustrating and too depressing. I'm going to go breath a little more life into TOS and finish up a model.

I_Mudd.

Atrahasis · « **Reply #93 on:** October 07, 2003, 08:49:56 am »

Are those Tholian models the exact same ones from Klingon Academy or modified ones or different ones altogether?

Chris Jones · « **Reply #94 on:** October 07, 2003, 12:21:04 pm »

Well isn't this just kool - Thanks Dave and Erik - btw - I'm still reading Eric's book on game development. Can't put it down - read through it twice now..

Time to re-think the TNG Mod for OP with these babies released.

Kudos!!

Sethan · « **Reply #95 on:** October 07, 2003, 02:54:37 pm »

Those are too cool.

Thank you gentlemen.

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #96 on:** October 07, 2003, 04:54:24 pm »

Forgive my ignorance,

but is there a paticular tool you are supposed to view these with?

Captain "without a clue" Krenn

Strafer · « **Reply #97 on:** October 07, 2003, 05:13:11 pm »

ModViewer.

I know FireSoul has it online at http://klingon.stasis.ca under the sources & utils section...

Budgie Blade · « **Reply #100 on:** October 07, 2003, 07:48:23 pm »

These models are great!

Thanks for releasing them. Greatly appreciate it!

Jim · « **Reply #101 on:** October 07, 2003, 10:57:47 pm »

Yeah! Too cool... thanks Dave! (and Erik)

Jim

Captain Krenn · « **Reply #102 on:** October 08, 2003, 10:21:20 am »

Cool!

Thanks for the links guys!

These models are awesome!

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #103 on:** October 08, 2003, 08:46:23 pm »

Anybody notice that the Tholian fighter is flying backwards? That needs to be tweaked.

KF

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #104 on:** October 08, 2003, 09:30:39 pm »

Someone want to do me a favor and post screens of the downloads?

VelvetAcidChrist · « **Reply #105 on:** October 09, 2003, 01:30:57 am »

here you go:

i hope your´re satisfied now,

cheers

VAC

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #106 on:** October 09, 2003, 05:34:33 am »

Thanks to DarkMatrix for MORE pics and fixing MORE of the GAW ships:

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB11&Number=185978&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1&PHPSESSID=

The Tholian fighter is flying backwards in the game and needs to be turned around. Somebody please fix this.

Qapla!

KF

kiloton · « **Reply #107 on:** October 09, 2003, 03:09:55 pm »

Dave and Eric,

Thank you so much for letting these see the light of day. We all appreciate it.

Ah, what might have been...

Ken

Rogue · « **Reply #108 on:** October 09, 2003, 04:32:07 pm »

I've been meanining to post this comment for some time and finally decided to do so...

"Gee, I didn't get you anything."

Much appreciation for letting us have these. Ah... what could have been. Having to contend with webcasters would have been fun. But Andy changes everything. Webs are one thing but P/A technology, displacement devices and TR beams makes for a hairy deep space encounter. Then again... trying to peal the web layer away from a Tholian Battlestation would have made for some tall tales. And many tears.

I wished some of the our SFC brothers could have gotten the full measure of the Andromedan conflict. Depending on how you matched up tacticly you need a BPV edge to whip a good Andromedan captain. Abandon anything that resembles a saber dance tactic.

APEXNETHOR · « **Reply #112 on:** October 11, 2003, 03:10:01 pm »

Whoa those are really nice loking pics! Its to bad they never had the chance to introduce those ships and bases into the past SFC games.

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #114 on:** October 12, 2003, 01:57:52 pm »

So what are the names of the three Andro ships? I need them for...research purposes, yes, that's it.

3dot14 · « **Reply #115 on:** October 12, 2003, 02:27:11 pm »

Not sure what you mean by "the three"...

http://www.darkshire.org/~jhkim/sfb/aids/msc/R10-andr.html

But you can find the Andro ship-class designations here.

If you want individual ship names... well then you might have to wait for someone with their SFB campaign scenario books.

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #116 on:** October 12, 2003, 04:47:57 pm »

Why does it list more pages than there are?

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #117 on:** October 12, 2003, 05:33:10 pm »

I meant the class names of the three ships that David gave us (the CL, CA, and DN equivalents).

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