Topic: Mirrored Universe Question (Read 4934 times)

Captain Ron · « **on:** October 06, 2003, 02:12:03 am »

In the mirrored universe they have ships the question is what colours should they be?
A general black or dark hull with red Highlights is one Idea, but it doesn't actually give the ship any sinister character and generally just makes it harder to see in the game. Red glows help the issue but again the dark hull seems less effective. Now in the TOS series where this all began the only thing that changed were the symbols on the ship and the ISS name.

So what colours should they be?
Black/Gray with red glows/lit parts
Black/Red with red glows/lit parts
Standard/Red with red glows/lit parts

should there be glows at all or lit parts?

Any ideas or suggestions?

Smiley · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2003, 06:05:15 am »

Hmm, from a strictly non-playing point of view I'd say keep it like it was in the episode and not change the hull colours or glows at all. If it is a mirror universe then it should be a mirror copy of ours for the most part, with only 1 or 2 variables changed....which of course affect everything else...lol, oh well I thought it made sense to me!

Of course then again, that might be hard to differentiate between ingame, but oh well!

Kaenyne · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2003, 07:55:00 am »

Hey Captain:

If you're looking for a good starting point, you might want to check out Tiberious Station. If you're not familiar with it, this site is all about the Mirror Universe. The models section has a number of models, most of which are pre-TOS or TOS Terran Empire, and one TMP mirror Enterprise. They have a constant color scheme (dark hull, red navigational deflector, etc.).

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:14:51 am »

Hello Captain Ron,

This a is great topic,
thank you very much for bringing it up,

Tiberus Station link

This is the best collection of Mirror Universe starships,
Thing is you may take flak for the "purists" here,
They probably bemoan that the Terran Empire no longer exists,
and the Mirror Universe Klingon/Cardassian Alliance has conquered it,

Yep,
they have, but "what the hell",
I say make 'em anyways,

Take care, and best wishes,

Agent Sloan

Kaenyne · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:18:31 am »

Thanks for finding the link, Agent Sloan.

I've been trying to locate the site this morning myself.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:24:59 am »

Hello Kaenyne,

You're welcome, glad to be of service man,
Us "Section 31" folkes can be handy, now and then,

BTW,
Kaenyne,
the first starship is a Mirror Pneumonic81 Enterprise-A,
its TOP-NOTCH, and well worth the download,
the textures are breathtaking

Take care,

Agent Sloan

Kaenyne · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:33:31 am »

Oh yeah, I'm well aware of this site. Someone pointed out this site many moons ago and I fell in love with all the ships. It was very early in my model collecting days so I really flipped out when I saw the stuff. I D/L'd ALL of 'em right away and my favorite is the Enterprise by P81. I also really like the Asia. I didn't know at the time that most of these evil beauties were based on works at Starfleet Museum. (Another great site).

I even bugged Captain Ron about making a Terran Empire Galahad Class based off the color scheme of the Tiberius Station ships, which he did quite nicely (which I am very grateful for). I'm LOVE to see what he has planned for his next ships....

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:54:08 am »

Hello Kaenyne,

Yep, I fell in love with the Mirror Universe stuff too,
I downloaded 'em all last year,

ISS Enterprise A

I really enjoy flying a swarm of ISS Enterprise-As' against those Dominion Capitol starships,
I kinda picture the Dominion Vorta Commanders gonna "What the #### is that!"

Take care,

GeneralWolfe

Kaenyne · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:02:05 am »

Wouldn't that be cool to see on T.V.: A fleet Mirror Enterprise Class ships taking on the Dominion.

I think even the Klingons would be nervous if they spied them on their viewscreens.

Klingon Fanatic · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:08:29 am »

OK, I have to weigh in on this?

The Mirror Universe Imperials at Tiberius Station are a GREAT place to start.

After seeing the DS9 episodes where the Klingon-Cardassian alliance had already crushed the Imperials, I decided that it would be really cool if an alternate universe existed where the Imperials did not fall.

I figured in my corner of the Trek Universe, the Imperials go on the offense. To me that means more homogenous ship designs with a maximum emphasis on armor and power. Homogenous ship designs means faster repair times, better uses of limited resources and ultimately eases the logisitical problems involved with deploying fleets. This in turn represents a major departure from the Federation?s variety of hodge-podge of explorer type ships. I even figured that IF the V?Ger and Whale Probe attacks also happened in the mirror universe this would have been a wake up call for them. Then again, these incidents might not have happened in the mirror universe at all. In any event, I believe that by TMP era a new Imperial warship design philosophy would have been developed. P81?s USS Odyssey and USS Explorer and most of the kitbashes of them fit the bill IMHO. I also like the idea of P81?s FCX and FDX being in the Imperial inventory. Besides, there?s not much sense in having cool Federation or Klingon ships unless you have equally cool adversaries to play against?

This freed me to use the USS Churchill (Anarion) as my FCX and to use the Loknar Refit USS Phobos (Fabio/Makotokat/Lt. Riley) as my FDX. It also allows me to use other TMP Federation ships I otherwise wouldn?t normally play.

Qapla!

KF

Kaenyne · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:21:01 am »

I like the way you think, KF.

I'd say the Terran Empire would do much of what you say, with bigger equalling better, which means they would have developed larger and better armed atarships than their Federation counterparts decades earlier. Perhaps the X technology of SFC would than debut much earlier as a result.

Which brings up a question: What do P81?s FCX and FDX look like?

I know about the U.S.S. Odyseey and U.S.S. Explorer (Mackie's Galahad class?) and the Excalibur, but not the other two ships above.

Captain Ron · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:55:18 am »

If you have SFC:OP then you already have them.
There use to be variants that did not make it into the game but they are gone since his site is no more. I don't know if anyone posted them at other sites.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:57:53 am »

Hmmm...FCX and other variants you say.

I like to get my paws on 'em...

Anybody out there have them in their collections?

Clark Kent · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:43:17 pm »

I think that WZ's OSF starships should be noted here- great designs, and definately fit into what's being asked for.
http://www.nightsoftware.com/omega/drs/index2.htm

Kaenyne · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:48:08 pm »

Oh yes, the OSFs cannot be overlooked. They definately have the look of Terran Empire starships (even if they may not be). This ship look really nice flying alongside Tiberious Station's I.S.S. Enterprise and Asia.

(Wonder if WZ will expand his OSF fleet....)

Kaenyne · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:51:05 pm »

I just remembered something else:

We have WillardDcker's two Terran Empire Constitutions to look forward to. He posted some pics of his first version and mentioned a second would be a "Royal" type. Too cool!

Maybe he'll tease us with some more WIP pics soon (hint, hint)

Fire Blade · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:04:31 pm »

Using WZ Textures from his connie i have retextured a whole fleet Saladin,Chandly,3x Miranda Varients,Belknap & Mars Classes

Kaenyne · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:13:12 pm »

That's cool! Can we see some pics?

InragedSith · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2003, 03:47:35 pm »

I'd like to see what a Galaxy class, Defiant class, and Soveriegn class starships would look like Textured like the Tiberius Station shps

InragedSith · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2003, 05:24:41 pm »

Quote:

I think that WZ's OSF starships should be noted here- great designs, and definately fit into what's being asked for.
http://www.nightsoftware.com/omega/drs/index2.htm

Yes they are great designs and very creative but I see them more as pirate ships rather then Terran Imperial ships

Azel · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2003, 07:00:31 pm »

Hey Don,

Can you send me any and all mirror universe models that you have???

Thanks man!!!

Odontotyrannus@aol.com

I_Mudd · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:09:52 pm »

Wow...

Thanks for all the cool comments, guys. It's been a while since I did any work on Tiberius Station. I did have plans to extend much of what was there; but after a few major computer problems and about two changes of residence, I lost the site password to upload and changed ISP's ( thus email addy), so I wrote it off as a dead site. I didn't think anyone remembered it.

I was a lurker here for far too long, and I'm trying to contribute more to this great community that has captured my attention, my imagination, and my graditude.

Adrix.

(a.k.a. I_Mudd.)

Captain Ron · « **Reply #23 on:** October 07, 2003, 04:24:44 am »

See now that is what i like more ppl that contributed coming back and continuing to expand the bounderies of this place. It is also nice to see that so much work is around and being discovered in the forgotten corners by some us us and totally new to others.

Still wondering though what makes the Alternate universe a dark one for ship colours?
Germany was considered the evil empire through the two world wars and had some of the more colourful planes.

Kaenyne · « **Reply #25 on:** October 07, 2003, 07:48:38 am »

Hey Mr. Mudd:

I've always been a fan of your site. Your interpretations of the Mirror Universe are excellent, and you've also brought some rare ship designs to the game as well.

Your contributions are very much appreciated and admired. If you ever get the bug again to create more Mirror Universe ships, Tiberious Station is in for some serious traffic!

I_Mudd · « **Reply #26 on:** October 07, 2003, 08:38:30 am »

It's okay Don. I kinda have a mischievious side to me that just takes over (Just think Loki of Norse mythology and that hits it pretty close to the mark ...) . I was merely playing and apologize for any hurt feelings. I figured sooner or later we'd bump into each other and "make nice like".

As for future plans in the mirror and such, let's just say with my new found activty level, you ain't seen nothing yet. All I need is time.

I_Mudd.

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #27 on:** October 07, 2003, 09:53:12 am »

Hello I_Mudd,

Yaa,
I'm really sorry about our bad start,
It was my fault, please forgive me

Anyways,
your work is TOP-NOTCH!!!
and incredibly unique,

You've got a real talent and downright flare for Mirror Universe starships,
It would be a joy and a priveldge too see any of your new works indeed,

Gods Speed, and Good Fortune I_Mudd,

Take care,

Agent Sloan

Kaenyne · « **Reply #28 on:** October 07, 2003, 11:33:35 am »

Mr. Mudd,

If you need ideas for future Mirror Universe ships, I know I for one would like to see these:

U.S.S. Reliant, U.S.S. Excelsior, P81's U.S.S. Excalibur FCX, Mackie's Galahad Class, and Enterprise B.

I think these guys would be immensely popular, but that's just my opinion of course.

Fire Blade · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2003, 09:49:48 pm »

Sorry to take so long to reply to you Kaenyne i use the WZ connie a a wylde fire ship seeing there supposed to be in federation space that the "Purchase" federation surplus ships
any way i have been taking screen shot of the ships i have been messing around with the textures
but i have no way of posting them

DONOTDELETE · « **Reply #32 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:35:47 am »

Hello Azel,

(~Agent Sloan turns off personal cloaking device and materialises~)

Hey man, das Bunny left you something,

(~Agent Sloan turn on personal cloaking deivce and de-materialises~),

You've now got all me eggs,

Take care, and best wishes,

Agent Sloan

Captain Ron · « **Reply #34 on:** October 11, 2003, 09:50:00 pm »

Ok,
Back looking at things again after a bad week at work. Now it seems the going opinion is to make a negative copy of the current feds and use that, with red for the glowing/lighted areas.
The question still stands though is this what they should be?
Should they be standard colours with reds instead of the blues?
Reason being a alternate universe does not mean alternate looking ships and colours (the symbols are changed due to a T.V. Star Trek Episode)

atheorhaven · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2003, 01:57:36 pm »

Here's my take on it.

In the episode we saw, when they showed the ISS Enterprise, she was colored exactly the same as the USS Enterprise. The only thing that really was different was the signage. However, I also like the idea of what they did in ST:VOY "Living Witness" (which for all intents and purposes nicely shows a Mirror Universe Voyager and crew), with beefing up the weaponry. More visible weaponry to intimidate and terrorize.

Also in fan fiction, there was an awfully good story I read depicting a Mirror Universe Picard and crew where Picard retained the Borg armor (after he was recaptured by his people from the Borg) in order to more strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. Think he even retained the Borg shielding as well.

So, I'd not change the coloring too much.. maybe a bit darker. But definitely enhance the weapons prescence by maybe lighting the areas where the weapons are.. a dull red or orange at the phaser stripping, lighting on the photon ports, and for non-texture related ideas, maybe putting a few surface mounted phaser siege cannons and such on the hull. Mirror Universe weapons development would probably be ahead of the normal Trek universe, so adding quantum torpedos to a Galaxy Class ship would work. Shielding would be important. Remember, these ships would in some cases go in alone and lay siege to a planet.

That's just my two cents worth...

ActiveX · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2003, 02:00:25 pm »

In my opinion the Borg represent what the anti-Feds woulda been...

Maybe in an extreme sense, but the concept is there...

atheorhaven · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2003, 02:06:30 pm »

KF, just want to add.. who says that the Imperials fell? Maybe in the Berman universe... or maybe in the TMP period of the "Enterprise" universe (which is still the Berman universe).

There's literally no evidence that the Berman-basterdied Mirror Universe that visited the DS9 universe was the same Mirror Universe that we saw in "Mirror, Mirror". We were simply led to assume so by Berman. That could've been a single universe in which the Imperials fell out of all them in which they didn't... including the one that Kirk visited.

There's evidence for this as well.. think of the TNG episode in which "Captain Riker" had to destroy the Ent-D from the almost wholly Borg-assimilated Federation universe. Was that universe the norm? Nope.. and it was different from the Borg-assimilated Federation universe that we also caught a glimpse of in ST:FC as well.

So, personally.. I just discount what we see in DS9 as being an aberration of the norm. Everyone else is too busy building the Terran Empire to be concerned with visiting DS9.

Rat_Boy · « **Reply #38 on:** October 12, 2003, 02:09:38 pm »

Don't forget, nobody knows when the Empire fell. Kira said it happened after Spock took over the Empire, and we know how long Vulcans can live...

Captain Ron · « **Reply #41 on:** October 12, 2003, 11:33:05 pm »

More than likily she is not telling the whole truth.
It is more than likily that the empire contracted its boarders to make itself easier to defend before the coming war.

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