Topic: Why wait for activisions blessing....release the patch as another BETA (Read 6657 times)

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 01, 2003, 02:53:07 am »

I'm going to try to remain calm about the above.

I wasn't involved in the testing, so that wasn't actually an insult aimed at me, but the overwhelming level of stupidity shown by the above post leaves me near-speechless.

Look, on the one hand, the vast majority of these problems arose as a result of an extremely wide variety of machines simultaneously running the program. These issues could not have been known prior to full release.

Secondly, in order to have fully repaired and tested all of the problems prior to release, even assuming they knew them, would have taken likely as long as it has now. But wait! Activision is sueing paramount! Had they held SFC3 it would never have been released. I'm more than happy to wait on a patch that may never come out when compared with a GAME that may never come out.

Now then, I think I've managed to explain fully why they could not and were right not to hold SFC3. At least I hope so.

Alexander

CpnDonald · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2003, 02:56:02 am »

I don't see why you guys want the patch so badly, Korah and pelican have produced a game for free thats alot more fun then the game I paid 40 dollars for.

As for the whole activision legal [censored], if activision wins, I guarantee more games, and alot of work will be done on the games, however if they lose, I doubt we'll have a server to play on at all.

EmeraldEdge · « **Reply #22 on:** October 01, 2003, 03:00:05 am »

They probably want the patch because it will fix some issues with the games core, and thus making Pelican's and Korah's efforts even better after they are updated to accomodate the fixes to the games core. Maybe?

FPF_TraceyG · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2003, 03:00:43 am »

Time, Quality, Price. You can only ever have 2 out of 3. Something produced quickly and high quality, will have a high price tag. Something cheap and high quality, will get done only when other higher paying projects are complete. Something done quickly and cheaply, is usually low quality.
A completely bug free piece of software means you either wait forever for it to be released, or pay an exorbatantly high price for it. No one is going to pay 1000 dollars for a computer game though, or buy a computer thats bug free but 2 years out of date on release.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 01, 2003, 09:25:13 pm »

Guys, the quality isn't that low. You should really play some OTHER massively multiplayer games.

Yes, the dynaverse is massively multiplayer. It may not be an RPG, but it runs into all of the same problems of having large numbers of people constantly connecting and disconnecting. Shadowbane? Please, on release it was SIGNIFICANTLY worse than SFC3, and while I appreciate the steady flow of patches, its still relatively buggy, as is SFC3, because of the enormous challenges of this genre.

It's pretty well impossible to code a program that won't have ANY bugs on release, guys. Taldren's done a bang-up job and produced a game a large number of people are still playing a year after release. Yes, I realise that that part is due largely to the modders, but why mod a game unless its good to begin with?

Let up. There;s nothing else they could realistically have done.

Alexander

Vrilly · « **Reply #25 on:** September 27, 2003, 04:22:44 am »

The patch has been sent to activison and from what I hav eread it is in the approval and test process on their part. WHO cares if they blss it or not. Dave Ferrel has approved it so thats good enuf for me and the rest fo the community.

Activision has pulled the games formt he websites. Pulled the servers in the Dynaverse-I hear-I play patched- and are intrenched in a legal struggle that will not end anytime soon sot her eis no guarantee that it will ever be approved int he first place.

We have a beta patch now...why cant we have another one? and if it turns out to be the final one SO be it.............

We dont need their blessing release it...

AND if we do get this final beta patch we can TELL you what the new or unfixed issues are so you CAN FIX it.......

We are tired of this....and are moving on in droves.......

The only thing keeping most of us on are the excellent mods by Korah and Pelican that has a large player base and rabid forum support.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release the patch NOW

we need good news right now.

KnightVrilly

Cleaven · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2003, 06:49:14 am »

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We dont need their blessing release it...

AND if we do get this final beta patch we can TELL you what the new or unfixed issues are so you CAN FIX it.......

Alright, I give up. Just how ignorant of copyright (and corporation) law are you?

VelvetAcidChrist · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2003, 07:09:47 am »

simply dont play sfc3,come back to sfc2/op,play some sfc1 as well and u ll be more happy than u re atm.

lornphoenix · « **Reply #31 on:** September 27, 2003, 11:14:16 am »

Vrilly The Only way that will happen is if Someone within Taldren or Activison Leaks a copy... But The would amost useless because very few People would use it.

Alidar Jarok · « **Reply #32 on:** September 27, 2003, 07:56:46 pm »

Maybe Taldren could secretly add a bunch of new BETA Testers

Pestalence · « **Reply #34 on:** September 28, 2003, 10:01:44 pm »

The last Beta that Taldren released without Activision's permission, Activision sent out copright infringement notices within an hour and also threatened lawsuit against Taldren and all the people running mirrors, including 3rd party people who immediately were notified about the Beta Release and mirrored it.. talking about gaming patch sites.... all mirrors came down within 24 hours after release of the Beta due to Activision having all the rights to the game...

now if Activision gave Taldren permission to release a Beta version, or just gave Taldren patching rights, then all would be good, but currently Taldren has their hands tied.. however Activision has stated that once all the bugs are fixed to their satisfaction, then it will get QA'd and released.

just letting you know.

Baker · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2003, 10:34:52 pm »

Hmm is it possible for Taldren to hire a lot of people for Beta testing for free, say like most people who own a copy or would this fall under copyright as well?

Sorry but I'm very ignorant of copyright laws.

Alexander1701 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 28, 2003, 11:33:04 pm »

Well, legally we'd all have to sign a bunch of documents, we'd all be listed as taldren employees, that'll raise some tax issues just to start, also it would be viewed by the gaming world in general as pretty underhanded.

Look, much as it pains us, we really *do* have to wait for activision.

Alexander

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