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Blitzkrieg

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2003, 08:30:50 am »
Yes I know lol Im not a complete new player   Dosnt take away from the fact that its only going to get worse  with the patch

StarTrekcaptain

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2003, 08:42:34 am »
Just a thought if that happens again.  If people who claok like that really piss you off, cos they do me, after a match has begun to exced about 15 minutes i use the old cloak bug in the unpatched game.  Bearing in mind that this is the ONLY time i use it, i don't cheat but sometimes these guys REALLY piss me off.  For those of you who don't know, if you have engeged the follow target button from the helms control, you can sucessfully continue following him while he is cloaked, IF ou engaged the button before he cloaked and do not move your ship any where else.  So then when you getting pissed of with them, you can fire off a probe, and detect him them fire away.

I know this is cheating but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

:-)

Azrael

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2003, 08:46:58 am »
Blitz,

You surprise me.  It can be a really frustrating thing to have someone "jerk you around" online, but to come into forums saying "Player X is a Stoopidhead" is poor form.

Even if Player X is a Stoopidhead.

An important thing to remember is, that if you go into a battle and give your enemy the kind of fight he's looking for, he's already got the advantage.

The Defiant is a nippy ship that can pack a whallop.  Whether intentionally or not, as  Klingon, he was using very sound tactics.

Once your crew improves and you can get a decent range, going "toe to toe" with the Feds is for the impatient or overconfident.

As a Klingon, I will use my cloak to maximum adantage.  I don't want your ship anywhere near mine.  I will acheive maximum range, decloak, shoot, then cloak again and reposition.

Unfortunately, it's a tactic that most Fed players seem to find frustrating, usually because the battle is not going the "way" they wanted.

They usually make a point of stating that even though they "have not been defeated" they are leaving anyway because they're bored.

Pretty dumb excuse, since they are leaving because they are losing.

Now let me point out that I'm definately not trying to "peg" you as one of those types of players.

Secondly, to cloak about, just for the sake of "hiding", hoping your enemy will disengage so you can have the victory is poor play.  It's a tactic invented by the Federation.  You may remember a post about it a while back, about fed players in smaller ships, who used to warp about the map, hoping their enemy would get bored and disengage.

Unfortunately, if Player X was being that kind of Pillock, you allowed him to gain a psychological victory over you as well as a (questionably) tactical one.

You have a wealth of advantages open to you as a Fed player.  It's generally recognised that "cloaked" ships are too easy to detect.  

Fit a computer V, flip your scanners on, and use those probes.

Ultimately, if someone's being an "arse" online, why waste your time with them.  Warp out and enjoy yourself with players who came to play.

This is going to feel kind of horrible for you, but if Player X visits the Forum, he's going to think that he's twice as clever as he thought before, since he's driven you to making this post.

Never argue with an idiot.  They always drag you down to their level.

It's the same thing with playing them.

Hope you cool off soon.  You've lots of posts on the Forums, and I read them all with interest.

Azrael  

Aenigma

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2003, 08:57:13 am »
You don't want to see me fly Romulan ships then. Still a bit of unklingonlike action.

Should you run into a Romulan, keep in mind that we don't win shoot-outs, and that we will have to be patient for you to make a mistake. This can be an extremely prolonged battle, but if you don't want to fight it, just leave.

Players who abuse the cloak to make the game a draw are dishonourable cowards.

Aenigma  

Blitzkrieg

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2003, 09:31:16 am »
No I understand perfectly, I play both Klingon and Romulan aswell. Specificaly I have a Klingon DN on activision B which I will requently cloak when required. Also I understand that Romulans are heavily outgunned against pretty much everyone except the Ferrengi   So yes cloak, snipe, cloak and snipe again, all good fun, ill find you eventualy or not as the case may be

The thing was he said he couldnt repair any more, and he was doing this just to annoy me to avoid fighting me. What I suspect happened there was his cloak was damaged in the fire fight and he made the mistake of trying to repair it, maybe he had had one too many beers? He had tried to snipe me from afar, it didnt work, his ship was taking more damage with each attempt. Then he stopped, he just wouldnt continue, I dont know how the game didnt end. He just wouldnt fight me and was going for the draw, I shouldnt have to fit a level 5 computer because my opponant wants to sit there in the corner of the map preying I dont find him.

Whats more is I didnt have 3,000pp to spare to do this, should everyone have to do this? Maybe the game needs some ballancing here eh?

He actually did win yes, he won the engagment and he got me mad, making him the victor. However I will get him back, I refuse to give up.

Subspace

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2003, 09:47:10 am »
I will cloak & snipe ,,, but in GSA if im going to die ,,, & you can tell ;I will fight it out ...  but in the D3 if my romulan is going to lose I will  just leave the sector bite my lip & go damit damit & well some other things, but this is a public forum ...

Some people just dont want to admit when their beat !!!!! &  Some people just try & be an ass  

Aenigma

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2003, 10:04:09 am »
The latest Tal Shiar reports confirm that most Klingons are quite light on cloak, so lvl 5 or even lvl 4 computers are useful against them. Be advised that using a lvl 5 computer against a lvl 5 cloak is usually quite pointless. See my cloak tests at  SghnDubh's Battleclinic, when it comes online again (if you see my signature piccie displayed, it is online again). Bear in mind that Fed computers are the same as Klingon ones when it comes to detection.

Arrain Aenigma

PS SghnDubh, i hope your wrist heals quickly.  

korus

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2003, 10:45:22 am »
  I'm sorry you had a bad experience on the D 3, but there are some jerks on it(I'm not naming names )  that will do their best to spoil your online fun.  As a Rom currently I do adopt the cloak hit run cycle....  Most Feds complain that's cheating and want a drag out fight... Rom ships aren't built for knockout battles... Unless Plasma becomes fixed in the patch...  Anyway don't let one apple spoil your fun.  If you really want to tick him off fight him in a nebula... cloak is useless there... Hope to see you on the D3!

Korus
 

Corbomite

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2003, 10:51:19 am »
I find this whole thing funny. People screamed and screamed about getting a "real" cloak and now when they get it all we hear is screaming and more screaming about the "real" cloak. If they had implemented it like it was in SFB (oh no I said the unholy words!) you would have your real cloak, but none of these problems. Oh well.

NBK Dekan

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2003, 11:06:47 am »
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Blitz,
As a Klingon, I will use my cloak to maximum adantage.  I don't want your ship anywhere near mine.  I will acheive maximum range, decloak, shoot, then cloak again and reposition.

Azrael    




This is a good tactic, but the problem is that you have to keep your speed at 1/4 impulse to have maximum cloak, least chance of being detected.  At this slow speed, it is difficult to impossible to get into good position behind and to the side arc of your opponent because they are probably going too much faster, and you can't gain on them without giving your cloak away.

Aenigma

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2003, 11:20:07 am »
 
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Blitz,
As a Klingon, I will use my cloak to maximum advantage. I don't want your ship anywhere near mine. I will achieve maximum range, decloak, shoot, then cloak again and reposition.

Azrael






This is a good tactic, but the problem is that you have to keep your speed at 1/4 impulse to have maximum cloak, least chance of being detected. At this slow speed, it is difficult to impossible to get into good position behind and to the side arc of your opponent because they are probably going too much faster, and you can't gain on them without giving your cloak away.




I always wondered how people actually came up with this 1/4 impulse statistic. I've heard rumors about this being mentioned in a single player mission, which I haven't played yet, but honestly i don't believe this is true. A Romulan lvl 5 cloak is quite failproof at full impulse, actually it is perfect cloak (i've never been detected by feds or klingons when on full impulse and cloaked). Warping, however, greatly increases detection rates, but this chance still isn't big.

Assuming Romulan and Klingon cloaks are equal in terms of anti-cloak strength, i think flying with a lvl 5 cloak up and running is no problem at full impulse.

Arrain Aenigma  
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Tannhauser

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2003, 11:23:07 am »
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Today I went onto Activision C




No offense, but I think that was your biggest mistake right there.
   

shadpwriath

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2003, 12:34:43 pm »
Romulins live by cloak...there for they don't build up on weapons and such like everyone else, they go for the cloak and armour (shields don't work cloaked).  Now to realy piss someone off: level 5 cloak, sensers off, weapons off, traveling less then 1/8 speed.......nothingwill pick you up even active pinging and probeing.

Romulins who don't like to wait for an attack point to open, make it open....metrionic beam then fire off everything recloak all before they can fire on you.  Due to lack of cycle time being cloaked the bluk of the time is not just useful it's needed.


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Defients against equal and smaller hauls aren't that great, but seen them against evrything but the Cube and they WILL kill it if equiped with anti-matter mines and a full load of mines.  Now defeints which have a nice surport can play a surport role with a large number of forward facing torps...think more heavy weapons in one arc then anything (excluding cube and Scimitar).

Toasty0

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2003, 01:31:00 pm »
Just for the record EvilBob is a fine guy. He will play with your head if you let him, but he would never cheat as is implied here.

In fact, besides Edgewise, EvilBob was a great teacher of SFC1 and 2.

Blitz,
If you wanna truly learn the game you might want to keep fighting EvilBob. Once you have figured out how to beat him at least 10% of the time you'll consistantly beat at least 60% of your opponents without breaking a sweat.

Good luck and have fun .

Best,
Jerry  

Aenigma

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2003, 01:51:18 pm »
 
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 metrionic beam then fire off everything recloak




Sorry that i have to disagree, but myotronic beams
 

     
  • only stun weapons when they hit the hull, and then still not always.
     
  • can't fire until you are fully decloaked, and therefore it is still not wise to decloak in someones front arc.
     


We Romulans live by waiting for a mistake, and not by making them ourselves.

Arrain Aenigma    

Uss_Defiant

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2003, 02:07:12 pm »
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Just for the record EvilBob is a fine guy. He will play with your head if you let him, but he would never cheat as is implied here.

In fact, besides Edgewise, EvilBob was a great teacher of SFC1 and 2.

Blitz,
If you wanna truly learn the game you might want to keep fighting EvilBob. Once you have figured out how to beat him at least 10% of the time you'll consistantly beat at least 60% of your opponents without breaking a sweat.

Good luck and have fun .

Best,
Jerry  




Not that I?d really want to disagree with a moderator (cant you just feel the sarcasm ), I?m in complete agreement with blitz. Why should Klinks even bother to warp out and take a loss,  if they can just cloak and wait? If there was this kind of a problem with this version of the game, imaging the chaos there'll be when the patch comes out. Agreed, cloaking to get a strategic advantage is a legitimate use of the cloaking device, but purposely cloaking to AVOID combat is absolutely ludicrous. I don?t care what anyone says, but that is NOT a legitimate strategy. If you dont want to fight, play monopoly or something. Perhaps a server side patch could be implemented which allows the admin to make a time limit on a game? or something to that affect.            

762

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2003, 02:25:10 pm »
A few points:

- Publicly flaming someone for something that happened in-game is bad form. Deal with it privately, either through the server's admin or the guy's fleet (if he has one).
- Cloaking and hiding to force a draw is pure cowardice. Fight or run. Hiding is no different that Alt-F4ing to save your ship. This is distinctly different from using cloak to recharge weps and gain an advantageous position (like it is supposed to be used).
-  Under the circumstances I don't blame you for Alt-F4ing one bit.
- Don't be looking for honorable play on Activision servers. Some servers have rules that prevent just this sort of thing from happening.
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Blitzkrieg

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2003, 03:43:25 pm »
Toasty your wrong, he wasnt playing the game in the nature it was intended. The guy wouldnt say anything to me in chat but he was quite happy to say in game, for example, Ive taken out your 2 AI, when 3 said AI blew up due to lag. He was lying to me like I was a complete n00b and as if I had no idea what was actually happening on screen.

Yes Im publicly flaming, but my argument isnt with EvilBob, my statement of the facts as I see them stand though. After gaining some sense I doubt I will ever play this guy again, hes clearly a very poor sport from his actions today. I shall probably give up my Activision accounts and move on perminantly.

For those who missed it, I think there should be some sort of mechanism put in place, to stop people doing this. That is the point of my original post, I simply highlighted someones elses actions (even though they were engraged words at the time). As for it being poor form, well I dont make the news I just tell it like it is.

Furthermore, the guy outgunned and outnumbered me twice and beet me in a fairly well fought battle by both. The final battle the odds changed and he didnt do so good. Maybe there is 2 EvilBob's Toasty as I dont see how this guy was that good, Ive seen many many better players, or maybe it was just an off day. Either way, please dont imply that I was lying about what happened, thanks.

CannonFodder

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2003, 05:08:04 pm »
most of these comemts  come form fed guys
rom tactics are to get right behind you and fire all weapons at close range then claok and repete untill target is destryed klingon tactics are to cloak untill fully read and tehn engage in battle but if you donr like the cloaks there are 2 options target they cloak and if you find them kill it or become a rom or kling and use a cloak( if the diefiant could have a claok you wouldnt be moaning    

Azrael

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Re: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2003, 05:27:21 pm »
Ya know, I've often wondered how it is that Fed ships seem to know where I am, even when I'm cloaked.

This puzzled me to no end.

I played Fed a few times myself, tried to fight Roms and Klinks to get a better idea of just how easy it is to spot cloaked ships.

To be fair, if they know what they're doing, it's not that easy.

I know that there is a cheat to allow you to follow a cloaked ship.  As I don't cheat, I had no need to understand how this worked.

Now that I've seen someone actually explain it in this thread, it becomes alot more obvious how a great number of Feds have been mysteriously following my cloaked ship.

Well guess what.

You're not doing yourselves any favours.  

No wonder you get bored, using "follow cloak".  Gee.  Why is it that a cloaked ship doesn't want to reappear directly in your forwards weapons arc.

Blitz, good on ya for not using the Follow Cloak cheat.

As for any Follow Cloak Fed, you're cheating scum, and dumb too, since you're making the game harder for your sad sorry selves as well as others.

(Note to non Follow Cloak Feds, you people are Paradigms and I wish that there were more people like you)

Grrrrr, got my angry head on now.

Note for Klinks and Roms.  Your cloak is alot more effective than you thought.

Azrael