Topic: Why I hate Bob erm cloak I mean (Read 13117 times)

Blitzkrieg · « **on:** February 09, 2003, 07:31:34 am »

Hail: all nice people who don?t to get into an argument or get sworn at because I?m that p***ed off! Please kindly avert your eyes

Today I went onto Activision C to see the Borg had one it, well done but did anyone have a doubt with 2 Borg cubes on the lose? Should really watch out for those Borg, they are more sneaky than some Romulans

Anyway, I went about getting my Defiant back as this was my goal for playing on this server. I wanted to see how much damage could be done with this light ship; eventually after taking out some heavy AI I managed to find someone wiling to fight me.

<Enter EvilBob>

Now the thing is with Klingons is that they are not as brave and warrior like as some would pretend, like the TV show this isn?t. Evilbob had himself a K?tinga plus Vor?cha and Fek?lhr AI backup, whilst myself I was in a Norway and had a Norway plus Intrepid AI backup, fairly even match I think not. Anyway I asked him not to attack, explaining that I thought with all this AI we would never get a good game.

He agreed and moved on his way, coming back a few minutes with a Fek?lhr as his ship with the same AI and in tow. I was at the time refitting and didn?t see him approach or attack. I asked him why he had done this he didn?t respond till we got in game.

He said he never said what I just said he said ? anyway I said my mistake good luck he said this back. All nice you may think, yes? Well we had a good fight but I was clearly outmatched in terms of firepower, 3 CA?s against 3 CL?s can be a bit of a task. So leaving politely after nearly taking out the Fek?lhr we went our separate ways.

It didn?t bother me that much, I soon got a few more PP, finally getting myself into that Defiant I always wanted (dreamy eyed). I also got myself a few more AI, Excelsior and Intrepid I do believe. ?Yes? I think, there is EvilBob I can get him this time (he got himself a Negh?var wing by this point).

Wishing him good luck once more we start fighting only to find that the lag is our greatest enemy. It got so bad that at one point, the Excelsior, Intrepid and Vor?cha blew up all at the same time! This left me a fairly fresh Defiant against a human Fek?lhr and a Negh?var AI. I?m not giving up though, this time we are both leaving here with no AI.

I have to be honest, with great skill and determination I took out the Negh?var and cause him some damage to, but by the time the Negh?var blew, I was a goner and had to run. He told me I was a coward etc, I still said good game and left, feeling quite happy with myself.

Once in chat he changed his tune, he said he was lucky enough to get himself a new Negh?var wing again, I said I?m off for dinner soon. This was as travelling to the nearest dock as this is normally where I leave a ship before logging off. What did I find, EvilBob attacking in the same place against 2 unknown Fed AI with his Negh?var as backup. I couldn?t help myself so jumped into the fray at the last minute. I think it was a Nebula and a Norway I had jumped in to save. I apologised for jumping in as I had just said I was leaving, wishing him good luck again he says now the tables have turned and I outnumber him.

Thinking this guy sounds a bit strange I figure I should just get on with things and take out his AI again, and then he would be mine! Both my AI start being on the Negh?var and would have beaten it alone, he does his best to help but I?m doing him so much damage in my now improved Defiant. So much was this an but kicking that after a few minutes he cloaks then warps out. I say good game and he starts talking to me about how he?s going to get himself another Negh?var and come back to get me. I tell him I look forward to the challenge.

I then join my AI wings in assaulting this Negh?var not convinced he?s left and not to my surprise he de-cloaks and try?s a sneak attack. ?Not going to happen? I think, HET then wallop I get him real good his hull is taking a beating plus lights are going out all over this ship. He then somehow manages to get some damage past my shields, I think he was hosting and my shields must have appeared down to him. This process repeated, until the AI DN was a goner.

I then said good game once more, he didn?t leave. He said he had plenty of beer with him, which indicated to me that this was going to be a problem. I then do my best to search the area for him no avail. Eventually I get sick of this and explain that he should either fight or leave and if he doesn?t leave then the game will end in a draw. He kindly explains he would rather a draw then a defeat.

This really angered me; I thought for god?s sake we are going to have to wait 4 or 5 minutes just to draw? Either way I wasn?t going anywhere so I kept searching the sector for him. I would now and then wait for him, to see if he would attack. To my disgust he does, missing with every shot I HET and manage to get a shot in on him as he warps out and re-cloaks. This process repeats and I begin to get so very mad he begins de-cloaking from great range and firing at me now instead, its coming up to 25-30 minutes for the game now as well!

I start saying he?s too much of a coward to be a Klingon and he jokes back saying that?s not much coming from me. I then go on to say this is pathetic and he is pathetic for doing something so lame. Finally I lose my temper and start swearing at him, he then said he was only doing this to get me angry.

This then made me think another 15 minutes with this guy for a draw wasn?t worth, I said fine I?ll quite and Alt+F4?d. My only hope was that he got suck in game, and would need to reset his account before he could continue playing here. I will, when I have calmed down, go back to this server to harass this guy only. I don?t care anymore about AMML X4 ships are people who Alt+F4 (yes I know some people will think I was wrong to do it but eh), I will be bumping this topic to the top constantly for months on end; you will not see the end of it until it is sorted out. Do you understand me you will not keep me quiet, Taldren you must do something about the cloak to stop people doing this. I know some people rely on it a great deal but to remain cloaked for many minutes then de-cloak fire re-cloak from distance is disgusting.

Personally I think the cloak is poor right now due to bugs, but its not buggy enough that I could detect this guy now is it? I?m sorry but YOU HAVE TO SORT THIS OUT, PLEASE.

Regards, an extremely irate and angry,

Tom

P.S. Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this I know it?s a bit long.

P.P.S. I dont know if I made myself clear, but for 10 minutes or so this guy made every effort not to have to fight me, please do not come back telling me its his right to do this as this game isnt called "sit here in the freezing bloody cold, tired, with a need for coffee and WC relief while some dopey twit pi**es around"!

MrX · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2003, 08:07:52 am »

Have you considered using a level 5 computer? It has an anti-cloak pinger e.g. radar.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2003, 08:30:50 am »

Yes I know lol Im not a complete new player

Dosnt take away from the fact that its only going to get worse with the patch

StarTrekcaptain · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2003, 08:42:34 am »

Just a thought if that happens again. If people who claok like that really piss you off, cos they do me, after a match has begun to exced about 15 minutes i use the old cloak bug in the unpatched game. Bearing in mind that this is the ONLY time i use it, i don't cheat but sometimes these guys REALLY piss me off. For those of you who don't know, if you have engeged the follow target button from the helms control, you can sucessfully continue following him while he is cloaked, IF ou engaged the button before he cloaked and do not move your ship any where else. So then when you getting pissed of with them, you can fire off a probe, and detect him them fire away.

I know this is cheating but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

:-)

Azrael · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2003, 08:46:58 am »

Blitz,

You surprise me. It can be a really frustrating thing to have someone "jerk you around" online, but to come into forums saying "Player X is a Stoopidhead" is poor form.

Even if Player X is a Stoopidhead.

An important thing to remember is, that if you go into a battle and give your enemy the kind of fight he's looking for, he's already got the advantage.

The Defiant is a nippy ship that can pack a whallop. Whether intentionally or not, as Klingon, he was using very sound tactics.

Once your crew improves and you can get a decent range, going "toe to toe" with the Feds is for the impatient or overconfident.

As a Klingon, I will use my cloak to maximum adantage. I don't want your ship anywhere near mine. I will acheive maximum range, decloak, shoot, then cloak again and reposition.

Unfortunately, it's a tactic that most Fed players seem to find frustrating, usually because the battle is not going the "way" they wanted.

They usually make a point of stating that even though they "have not been defeated" they are leaving anyway because they're bored.

Pretty dumb excuse, since they are leaving because they are losing.

Now let me point out that I'm definately not trying to "peg" you as one of those types of players.

Secondly, to cloak about, just for the sake of "hiding", hoping your enemy will disengage so you can have the victory is poor play. It's a tactic invented by the Federation. You may remember a post about it a while back, about fed players in smaller ships, who used to warp about the map, hoping their enemy would get bored and disengage.

Unfortunately, if Player X was being that kind of Pillock, you allowed him to gain a psychological victory over you as well as a (questionably) tactical one.

You have a wealth of advantages open to you as a Fed player. It's generally recognised that "cloaked" ships are too easy to detect.

Fit a computer V, flip your scanners on, and use those probes.

Ultimately, if someone's being an "arse" online, why waste your time with them. Warp out and enjoy yourself with players who came to play.

This is going to feel kind of horrible for you, but if Player X visits the Forum, he's going to think that he's twice as clever as he thought before, since he's driven you to making this post.

Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level.

It's the same thing with playing them.

Hope you cool off soon. You've lots of posts on the Forums, and I read them all with interest.

Azrael

Aenigma · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2003, 08:57:13 am »

You don't want to see me fly Romulan ships then. Still a bit of unklingonlike action.

Should you run into a Romulan, keep in mind that we don't win shoot-outs, and that we will have to be patient for you to make a mistake. This can be an extremely prolonged battle, but if you don't want to fight it, just leave.

Players who abuse the cloak to make the game a draw are dishonourable cowards.

Aenigma

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2003, 09:31:16 am »

No I understand perfectly, I play both Klingon and Romulan aswell. Specificaly I have a Klingon DN on activision B which I will requently cloak when required. Also I understand that Romulans are heavily outgunned against pretty much everyone except the Ferrengi

So yes cloak, snipe, cloak and snipe again, all good fun, ill find you eventualy or not as the case may be

The thing was he said he couldnt repair any more, and he was doing this just to annoy me to avoid fighting me. What I suspect happened there was his cloak was damaged in the fire fight and he made the mistake of trying to repair it, maybe he had had one too many beers? He had tried to snipe me from afar, it didnt work, his ship was taking more damage with each attempt. Then he stopped, he just wouldnt continue, I dont know how the game didnt end. He just wouldnt fight me and was going for the draw, I shouldnt have to fit a level 5 computer because my opponant wants to sit there in the corner of the map preying I dont find him.

Whats more is I didnt have 3,000pp to spare to do this, should everyone have to do this? Maybe the game needs some ballancing here eh?

He actually did win yes, he won the engagment and he got me mad, making him the victor. However I will get him back, I refuse to give up.

Subspace · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2003, 09:47:10 am »

I will cloak & snipe ,,, but in GSA if im going to die ,,, & you can tell ;I will fight it out ... but in the D3 if my romulan is going to lose I will just leave the sector bite my lip & go damit damit & well some other things, but this is a public forum ...

Some people just dont want to admit when their beat !!!!! & Some people just try & be an ass

Aenigma · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2003, 10:04:09 am »

The latest Tal Shiar reports confirm that most Klingons are quite light on cloak, so lvl 5 or even lvl 4 computers are useful against them. Be advised that using a lvl 5 computer against a lvl 5 cloak is usually quite pointless. See my cloak tests at SghnDubh's Battleclinic, when it comes online again (if you see my signature piccie displayed, it is online again). Bear in mind that Fed computers are the same as Klingon ones when it comes to detection.

Arrain Aenigma

PS SghnDubh, i hope your wrist heals quickly.

korus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2003, 10:45:22 am »

I'm sorry you had a bad experience on the D 3, but there are some jerks on it(I'm not naming names

) that will do their best to spoil your online fun. As a Rom currently I do adopt the cloak hit run cycle.... Most Feds complain that's cheating and want a drag out fight... Rom ships aren't built for knockout battles... Unless Plasma becomes fixed in the patch... Anyway don't let one apple spoil your fun. If you really want to tick him off fight him in a nebula... cloak is useless there... Hope to see you on the D3!

Korus

Corbomite · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2003, 10:51:19 am »

I find this whole thing funny. People screamed and screamed about getting a "real" cloak and now when they get it all we hear is screaming and more screaming about the "real" cloak. If they had implemented it like it was in SFB (oh no I said the unholy words!) you would have your real cloak, but none of these problems. Oh well.

NBK Dekan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2003, 11:06:47 am »

Quote:

Blitz,
As a Klingon, I will use my cloak to maximum adantage. I don't want your ship anywhere near mine. I will acheive maximum range, decloak, shoot, then cloak again and reposition.

Azrael

This is a good tactic, but the problem is that you have to keep your speed at 1/4 impulse to have maximum cloak, least chance of being detected. At this slow speed, it is difficult to impossible to get into good position behind and to the side arc of your opponent because they are probably going too much faster, and you can't gain on them without giving your cloak away.

shadpwriath · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2003, 12:34:43 pm »

Romulins live by cloak...there for they don't build up on weapons and such like everyone else, they go for the cloak and armour (shields don't work cloaked). Now to realy piss someone off: level 5 cloak, sensers off, weapons off, traveling less then 1/8 speed.......nothingwill pick you up even active pinging and probeing.

Romulins who don't like to wait for an attack point to open, make it open....metrionic beam then fire off everything recloak all before they can fire on you. Due to lack of cycle time being cloaked the bluk of the time is not just useful it's needed.

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Defients against equal and smaller hauls aren't that great, but seen them against evrything but the Cube and they WILL kill it if equiped with anti-matter mines and a full load of mines. Now defeints which have a nice surport can play a surport role with a large number of forward facing torps...think more heavy weapons in one arc then anything (excluding cube and Scimitar).

Toasty0 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2003, 01:31:00 pm »

Just for the record EvilBob is a fine guy. He will play with your head if you let him, but he would never cheat as is implied here.

In fact, besides Edgewise, EvilBob was a great teacher of SFC1 and 2.

Blitz,
If you wanna truly learn the game you might want to keep fighting EvilBob. Once you have figured out how to beat him at least 10% of the time you'll consistantly beat at least 60% of your opponents without breaking a sweat.

Good luck and have fun .

Best,
Jerry

762 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2003, 02:25:10 pm »

A few points:

- Publicly flaming someone for something that happened in-game is bad form. Deal with it privately, either through the server's admin or the guy's fleet (if he has one).
- Cloaking and hiding to force a draw is pure cowardice. Fight or run. Hiding is no different that Alt-F4ing to save your ship. This is distinctly different from using cloak to recharge weps and gain an advantageous position (like it is supposed to be used).
- Under the circumstances I don't blame you for Alt-F4ing one bit.
- Don't be looking for honorable play on Activision servers. Some servers have rules that prevent just this sort of thing from happening.

Blitzkrieg · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2003, 03:43:25 pm »

Toasty your wrong, he wasnt playing the game in the nature it was intended. The guy wouldnt say anything to me in chat but he was quite happy to say in game, for example, Ive taken out your 2 AI, when 3 said AI blew up due to lag. He was lying to me like I was a complete n00b and as if I had no idea what was actually happening on screen.

Yes Im publicly flaming, but my argument isnt with EvilBob, my statement of the facts as I see them stand though. After gaining some sense I doubt I will ever play this guy again, hes clearly a very poor sport from his actions today. I shall probably give up my Activision accounts and move on perminantly.

For those who missed it, I think there should be some sort of mechanism put in place, to stop people doing this. That is the point of my original post, I simply highlighted someones elses actions (even though they were engraged words at the time). As for it being poor form, well I dont make the news I just tell it like it is.

Furthermore, the guy outgunned and outnumbered me twice and beet me in a fairly well fought battle by both. The final battle the odds changed and he didnt do so good. Maybe there is 2 EvilBob's Toasty as I dont see how this guy was that good, Ive seen many many better players, or maybe it was just an off day. Either way, please dont imply that I was lying about what happened, thanks.

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Aenigma

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Corbomite

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shadpwriath

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Aenigma

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