Topic: OP+ Corrections Thread: as of version 3.1

[Corbomite]

FS, can you tell me how much BPV a B Drone Rack, an AMD 6 and an AMD 12 add to a ship (respectively) please?

[FireSoul]

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FS, can you tell me how much BPV a B Drone Rack, an AMD 6 and an AMD 12 add to a ship (respectively) please?  

That's a good one. I don't know the exact values, myself. I had to estimate the values based on the orion optionmount charts in the appendix as well as some refits costs when some weapons are added. Also, the number of reloads available due to era ALSO affects the BPV.

For example, I know that replacing a A-rack by a B-rack while keeping the same number of reloads (1?) increases the cost by 1 BPV. The Y175 upgrades increase the reloads by one, and I know that replacing a A rack with 1 reload to a B rack with 2 reloads costs about 1.5 BPV. (costs 2 BPV with a single rack, 3 for 2 racks).

I also know that upgrading a ADD6 to a ADD12 costs about the same: 1 BPV per rack or 1.5 per rack when increasing reloads (based on refit costs).

Extrapolation:
 I have evidence from Module R2 that a A-rack costs 4 BPV each. (Z-FH, p51 minus shield refit for same shields with Z-SDF, p65). I have evidence that installing a ADD6 costs 2 BPV based on the books. (K-D6S has shield+ADD6 refit for 6 BPV. Same shield refit but no added ADD6 refit on D6D cost 4)

So:
ADD6: 2 BPV
ADD12:: 3 BPV.
DroA: 4 BPV (1 reload)
DroB: 5 or 6 BPV based on # of reloads.



 

[Corbomite]

Thank you that is at least something to reference when I go screwing everything up.  

[Julin Eurthyr]

Firesoul;

I know this sounds like an odd request, but I'm trying to figure out the Nullsoft installer, and would like to look at your scripts for the OP+ no models installer.

It's for the DIP project if your wondering why I'm asking...

You could send the scripts to the e-mail address in my profile.

Thanks for the consideration / assistance...

 

[FireSoul]

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Firesoul;

I know this sounds like an odd request, but I'm trying to figure out the Nullsoft installer, and would like to look at your scripts for the OP+ no models installer.

It's for the DIP project if your wondering why I'm asking...

You could send the scripts to the e-mail address in my profile.

Thanks for the consideration / assistance...

 

I'm very relunctant to share my installer config files. These are the last things left in OP+ that I haven't shared with other people and projects that is really mine. What is it you need, anyways?

[Fluf]

Firesoul, Julin is attempting to make the DIP shiplist installer for us.  He normally used batch files in the past servers he worked on for me, but wants to use the Nullsoft installer instead for ease of use for the players.  Im sure he just wants to see how you configured some of your files, to cut some time down on the learning curve for the installer.  Currently the DIP shiplist is using the OP+3.0 installer, since the shiplist is based on the SS2 shiplist.  However, we want to make and independant installer, as we dont want to use your past work for our installer, as there will be constant updates and changes to our shiplist as time goes on.

I can understand your reluctance to release these config files to him, as you put alot of work into it.  However, it would be a big help to us in the DIP so we can get our project moving.  

[FireSoul]

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Firesoul, Julin is attempting to make the DIP shiplist installer for us.  He normally used batch files in the past servers he worked on for me, but wants to use the Nullsoft installer instead for ease of use for the players.  Im sure he just wants to see how you configured some of your files, to cut some time down on the learning curve for the installer.  Currently the DIP shiplist is using the OP+3.0 installer, since the shiplist is based on the SS2 shiplist.  However, we want to make and independant installer, as we dont want to use your past work for our installer, as there will be constant updates and changes to our shiplist as time goes on.

I can understand your reluctance to release these config files to him, as you put alot of work into it.  However, it would be a big help to us in the DIP so we can get our project moving.  

Well..
.. I'm going to make a demand in exchange: put me and my works in the credits. So far, it's obvious that it's my work being used as a starting point for the DIP because you're still using my installer. Last thing I want is to be forgotten after having spent hundreds of hours on the whole thing.

If that's all right, sure. I'll send you the installer files for both the models and non-models versions of OP+ 3.0.

[Strafer]

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 ...after having spent hundreds of hours on the whole thing.

"Hundreds"?

More like a coupla thousand by my math.

[Julin Eurthyr]

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Firesoul, Julin is attempting to make the DIP shiplist installer for us.  He normally used batch files in the past servers he worked on for me, but wants to use the Nullsoft installer instead for ease of use for the players.  Im sure he just wants to see how you configured some of your files, to cut some time down on the learning curve for the installer.  Currently the DIP shiplist is using the OP+3.0 installer, since the shiplist is based on the SS2 shiplist.  However, we want to make and independant installer, as we dont want to use your past work for our installer, as there will be constant updates and changes to our shiplist as time goes on.

I can understand your reluctance to release these config files to him, as you put alot of work into it.  However, it would be a big help to us in the DIP so we can get our project moving.  

Well..
.. I'm going to make a demand in exchange: put me and my works in the credits. So far, it's obvious that it's my work being used as a starting point for the DIP because you're still using my installer. Last thing I want is to be forgotten after having spent hundreds of hours on the whole thing.

If that's all right, sure. I'll send you the installer files for both the models and non-models versions of OP+ 3.0.  

No problem.  Your name needed to show up anyway as the current shiplist is based off the 3.0 work...  I'll just add the installer help to that byline...

[FireSoul]

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No problem.  Your name needed to show up anyway as the current shiplist is based off the 3.0 work...  I'll just add the installer help to that byline...  

In that case, email sent to Julin. Please don't distribute.  

Edit: Curiosity: what about all the people I give credits to, myself? For all the models and such.. Is there something planned for those?

[jimmi7769]

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Edit: Curiosity: what about all the people I give credits to, myself? For all the models and such.. Is there something planned for those?

We aren't going to have two different installers just the one without the models.  so that won't be necessary.  Unless there were others working on your shiplist and in that case just send Julin the proper credits and they'll be there.

[FireSoul]

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Edit: Curiosity: what about all the people I give credits to, myself? For all the models and such.. Is there something planned for those?

We aren't going to have two different installers just the one without the models.  so that won't be necessary.  Unless there were others working on your shiplist and in that case just send Julin the proper credits and they'll be there.  

You'll have a no-models version only? That sucks..

Well, there's been a few people who's helped me in the past. I've taken in shiplist tidbits from people like TarMinyatur.. .. and I there was someone else. I don't remember who, though.

..and Strafer did some shiplist entries himself a bit way back when because he really wanted to see some ships come up. He's the only other person who actively worked on OP+ at some point or other.

[Julin Eurthyr]

Thanks.

Will not re-send without your permission...

[Corbomite]

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That's a good one. I don't know the exact values, myself. I had to estimate the values based on the orion optionmount charts in the appendix as well as some refits costs when some weapons are added. Also, the number of reloads available due to era ALSO affects the BPV.

You know this struck me after awhile as odd. Are you using Annex #8B  -  Orion Pirate Optional Weapons Cost Chart or the old Annex #6A - Ship Modification Cost Chart (SFB Commander's Rulebook Vol. III, 1985)?

[FireSoul]

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That's a good one. I don't know the exact values, myself. I had to estimate the values based on the orion optionmount charts in the appendix as well as some refits costs when some weapons are added. Also, the number of reloads available due to era ALSO affects the BPV.

You know this struck me after awhile as odd. Are you using Annex #8B  -  Orion Pirate Optional Weapons Cost Chart or the old Annex #6A - Ship Modification Cost Chart (SFB Commander's Rulebook Vol. III, 1985)?  

In this context I meant #8B, although I did not give you the values from that this time.

[Corbomite]

Do you need the old 6A?

[FireSoul]

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Do you need the old 6A?  

Someone gave me an old Commander's Edition rulebook, although I never bothered to look in it. I mean, c'mon. It dates from the days I was 10 years old and was watching Transformers (Gen 1, of course) on TV!
.. but maybe I'll gander a look-see now..

[Corbomite]

The Annex still applies for the values, ADB just dropped Ship Modification completely for the Doomsday addition. Annex 6A was replaced with other info that has nothing to do with Ship Modification costs. I'd urge you to look at the older Annex 6A. It has all the info you need.Your calculations were pretty much right on, but unnecessary as you will see when you look at the chart.

[SPQR Renegade001]

Long thread, and I don't know if it's come up, but...

The F-FFG is using the model ..OPPLUS/MODELS/FFF/FFF.MOD, but models .siz has no entry for that; allowing the modelers scaling to take over. When you use Moonraker's Okinawa Class Destroyer... Well, she looks about twice the size of her FFL wing.  

BTW: with the soon to be launched OP+ 3.2, am I wasting my time getting my OP+ models set to taste, or will there be no changes to the models?

[FireSoul]

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Long thread, and I don't know if it's come up, but...

The F-FFG is using the model ..OPPLUS/MODELS/FFF/FFF.MOD, but models .siz has no entry for that; allowing the modelers scaling to take over. When you use Moonraker's Okinawa Class Destroyer... Well, she looks about twice the size of her FFL wing.  

Yeah. fixed already for 3.2... I wrote some perl thingy that compares the contents of the installer with the shiplist, the models dir, and the model.siz.. then the model.siz with the shiplist and the installer, as well as the models directory.. etc.

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BTW: with the soon to be launched OP+ 3.2, am I wasting my time getting my OP+ models set to taste, or will there be no changes to the models?

There will be some changes. I suggest you back up your current opplus/models to another location, uninstall OP+ 3.1, install 3.2, and then restore the models you'll need. Most of the updates I've done are renames (smoothing it out from this side), but mostly addtions.