Topic: OP+ 3.1 -- Ready for the world to fear (Read 11101 times)

Jim · « **Reply #80 on:** October 19, 2003, 08:22:13 pm »

Hey guy, thanks again! Excellent work!

Jim

Fluf · « **Reply #81 on:** October 21, 2003, 12:18:29 pm »

Great work FS. Now that SS2 is done, I will begin going over this list.

One thing though

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F-SCS and H-MNV now have 20 fighters. (30 in SFB)

What happened to the Z-SCS. This ship should have 12 fighters and 6 mech links from SFB- thus translating to 24 fighters following the 2/3rds rule. Please take a look at this ship. Dizzy arcs need to go FAL/FAR following standard Mirak changes from previous list.

DH123 · « **Reply #82 on:** October 21, 2003, 05:04:08 pm »

I think Maverick found a boo-boo . . .

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=195501&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

BTW, have the non-X MIRV ships been Play-tested at all?

VelvetAcidChrist · « **Reply #85 on:** October 22, 2003, 01:23:14 am »

well and i found a error in bpv translation -the ccx-m is 150+ bpv although the normal ccx is 230+ (sotrry i dont recall correct bpv) but instead of being 20 bpv higher its 100 bpv lower .

FireSoul · « **Reply #88 on:** October 22, 2003, 10:52:19 am »

Folks mainly focusing on D2 servers are always complaining about the shiplist. This is not a serious D2-oriented shiplist, even tho it could be used as such in a pinch.

762 · « **Reply #90 on:** October 22, 2003, 12:29:18 pm »

Getting back to the Hydran fighters FS...

The issue is that on GSA upgrading your fighters is not usually worth the money as it puts you against a bigger hull class.

Take the SUI for example. At 161 it's a decent ship even though the Killerbees will probably never leave the hangar. Bumping it to 167 makes it a real stretch. If you upgrade to useable fighters it has to go up against BCH's and light DN's. No way Jose.

OV, same thing, except you are then firmly in the DN range.

Gone are the days when the Hydrans had a relatively inexpensive fighter we could upgrade to. The cheapest useable fighter is now the Yellowjacket-II which is just pricey enough to put the mothership out of competition with what it will be facing.

(In the olden days we had a 2-hellbore Hornet-I, which was a bit OTT at its price. Unfortunately it was over-nerfed by getting both a price bump AND removing one of the hellbores. Oddly enough it was made the same price as the Yellow-II which is faster, carries a gatling, and has the same hitpoints.)

There are a few ships on the list worth upgrading fighters for but in the 160-200 range the 2 BPV Killerbee really hurts.

762 · « **Reply #94 on:** October 22, 2003, 09:49:31 pm »

Didn't really read my post I see.

It DOES NOT come out the same because NOT ALL HYDRAN SHIPS ARE WORTH UPGRADING ON GSA.

Try flying Hydran at 200 late and see what I mean !!!!

Strafer · « **Reply #95 on:** October 22, 2003, 11:15:35 pm »

Are you saying you'll be flying Hydran Late 200 with stock KillerBees.I? Cuz that's the only thing that makes sense.

762 · « **Reply #96 on:** October 22, 2003, 11:46:46 pm »

165
170
175
190
195
200
...probably a lot more I'm not thinking of

Any of those will be flown with at least one group of stock Killerbees, which now costs you an extra 3-6 BPV for the priviledge.

Why? Because the cheapest fighter worth upgrading to costs 4 BPV per fighter, and YOU CAN'T ALWAYS AFFORD IT.

165 is totally fubared - both the SUI and CHC are now priced right out of it.

Why don't you go add 3-6 BPV to each ship in the Fed list and see how they react?????

FireSoul · « **Reply #97 on:** October 23, 2003, 04:20:00 am »

I stand behind my changes. However, there's a solution that could be applied to Hydrans, since they are unique in this case.

Hydrans have fighters, but these fighters are not optional. Why not? Why not make versions of casual carriers without fighters? 100% SFB legal, and would open up the choices in Hydrans where BPV is involved. This is like saying that Lyrans MUST buy their PFs.
Note: Hydran Full Carriers wouldn't get this new variant with this solution. Hydran DNs are usually full carriers, each and every time, so they are exempt too.

For example, the current H-SUI has 6 fighters and costs 167 BPV. A "H-SUIn" would have 0 fighters, and cost 155.

Remember: BPV is how well a ship fights, not how much it costs to build. There's no reason why the Hydran stock fighters which are identical to all other stock fighters should cost less. However, I don't have a problem in removing forced BPV costs for something that is usually optional in SFB.

-- Luc

762 · « **Reply #98 on:** October 23, 2003, 08:34:54 am »

An even better solution!

Will we see this in OP+ 3.2?

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