Topic: OP+ 3.1 -- Ready for the world to fear

[TOCXOBearslayer]

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The thing that distinguishes the federation SCS from the CVA is the A-20. That's something apparently for the future it seems.  

Yeah, the shiplist is great.  Now the fighterlist needs work.

[CptCastrin]

Excelent work FS! Willyou be updating the links at SFCx?

Also a note of warning to all: StormSeason II is not using this shiplist and as far as I know we will not be changing to it mid campaign. The final call on that is CaptJeff's however and so if the situation should change all will be informed asap.

Great work FS, I'm DL'ing it now.  

   

[CptCastrin]

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The thing that distinguishes the federation SCS from the CVA is the A-20. That's something apparently for the future it seems.  

Yeah, the shiplist is great.  Now the fighterlist needs work.  

Already been done ... mostly. Mog did it a while back but it's not been tested fully (as far as I know). Contact Mog for a copy and try it out. Note that it's a bit dated and probably doesn't include any new fighters from ADB suppliments.

I'm hopeful that maybe we can put out an addon to the OP+ shiplist that will include this fighter list but right now that's just an idea in my head.  

   

[Dogmatix!]

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It definitely goes a long way to distinguishing a F-CVA+ from an F-SCS in SFC terms, eh?


It will be interesting to see how this pans out in D2 terms.  That's always such a messy business, anyway...lol.  The new MNV probably won't be m,uch of an impact since we rarely see BBs in D2 campaigns anyway...but a 20-fighter SCS could potentially see the light of day.
 

The thing that distinguishes the federation SCS from the CVA is the A-20. That's something apparently for the future it seems.  

Well, sure....but I was more talking about "in terms of SFC" where heretofore, the F-CVA+ and F-SCS have pretty much been identical, have they not?

[762]

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The thing that distinguishes the federation SCS from the CVA is the A-20. That's something apparently for the future it seems.  

Yeah, the shiplist is great.  Now the fighterlist needs work.  

Agreed, the 2 BPV Killerbees pretty much nix flying Hydran on GSA, with a few exceptions.

[Klingon Fanatic]

Firesoul, thank you and congradulations for putting out another fine master work.

I am not complaining but as a 56ker, It took me 2 tries and over 7 hours to get the mod.

I am missing 6 ships that I can tell:

ZCVA
ZBB
ZDW
ZHDW
ZPOL

PSLV

Where might I procure these ships to complete my copy of you mod?

Qapla!

KF

[FireSoul]

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Firesoul, thank you and congradulations for putting out another fine master work.

I am not complaining but as a 56ker, It took me 2 tries and over 7 hours to get the mod.

I am missing 6 ships that I can tell:

ZCVA
ZBB
ZDW
ZHDW
ZPOL

PSLV

Where might I procure these ships to complete my copy of you mod?

Qapla!

KF  

Uhh.. What do you mean, "missing"? You didn't download the complete file?

[FireSoul]

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The thing that distinguishes the federation SCS from the CVA is the A-20. That's something apparently for the future it seems.  

Yeah, the shiplist is great.  Now the fighterlist needs work.  

Agreed, the 2 BPV Killerbees pretty much nix flying Hydran on GSA, with a few exceptions.  

How so? The fighter upgrades will actually be CHEAPER. It comes down to the same thing when upgrading the fighters.
Why is a 2 BPV killerbee.I wrong when identical fighters from other races are wroth 2 BPV?

[The_Infiltrator]

Huh?

What that does is add 8 bpv to the ranger, 6 to the horseman, 4 to the lancer, etc, etc. Already for GSA these ships have a BPV above their value since these fighters are always changed, as they are useless. As for cheaper - I don't know what you mean. When you buy fighters, they're the same cost, always. There's no "upgrade" discount. Therefore, this represents a surcharge that adds nothing to the combat value of the ship. The Overlord in no way is a 192 BPV ship. It's either 180 (without fighters) or 240 (with fighters). Or that's the way I think of it anyway.

On another topic, you've said previously that you don't really have any interest in working on a fighterlist. If I were to do so, and submit it to you, would you possibly be interested in hosting it? I'd like to take a crack at it, using a "Taldren" style with a SFB base.  

[Durin]

Thanks for the  mod  I think its awsome.  

[FireSoul]

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Huh?

What that does is add 8 bpv to the ranger, 6 to the horseman, 4 to the lancer, etc, etc. Already for GSA these ships have a BPV above their value since these fighters are always changed, as they are useless. As for cheaper - I don't know what you mean. When you buy fighters, they're the same cost, always. There's no "upgrade" discount. Therefore, this represents a surcharge that adds nothing to the combat value of the ship. The Overlord in no way is a 192 BPV ship. It's either 180 (without fighters) or 240 (with fighters). Or that's the way I think of it anyway.

You're wrong. (Don't take it personally)
The "upgrade" discount, as you called it, is there. The base fighter costs 1 BPV move, but there's now 1 BPV less difference with the next type of fighter chosen. A ship with hornet.IIIs will cost the same either way.

Trust me, I checked.


Fresh experiment:
Stock 25412:
H-RN+: 119 BPV. --- Equipped with 8 Hornet.IIIs: 167 BPV

OP+ 3.1:
H-RN+: 127 BPV. --- Equipped with 8 Hornet.IIIs: 167 BPV



Check it yourself.
-- Luc

[FireSoul]

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On another topic, you've said previously that you don't really have any interest in working on a fighterlist. If I were to do so, and submit it to you, would you possibly be interested in hosting it? I'd like to take a crack at it, using a "Taldren" style with a SFB base.  

Uhm.. Taldren style, in this case, means Taldren fighters to me. If the offensive PLaD worked well, I would have looked at SFB-like fighters, but it's not the case.

Sorry.. I think I'll stick with this ftrlist.

[Julin Eurthyr]

Firesoul:

Off to check out the ISC carriers now.  Thank you for keeping everything in mind, I'll let you know how my tests go...

[Klingon Fanatic]

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Firesoul, thank you and congradulations for putting out another fine master work.

I am not complaining but as a 56ker, It took me 2 tries and over 7 hours to get the mod.

I am missing 6 ships that I can tell:

ZCVA
ZBB
ZDW
ZHDW
ZPOL

PSLV

Where might I procure these ships to complete my copy of you mod?

Qapla!

KF  

Uhh.. What do you mean, "missing"? You didn't download the complete file?  

It appears that I have the entire Mod WITH MODELS except for the above models.  I have EMPTY folders for them.

I wanted this mod SO BAD the night I down loaded this that I ignored the signs of pneumonia that I was starting to have. It turns out I have lower left lung pneumonia and I apologize for not replying sooner. I have yet to play this, as I have been required to rest. I hope to as early as tomorrow with substitute models. I think I know who's Mirak models you are using and If I am correct I have them somewhere.

Best wishes,

KF

[FireSoul]

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Firesoul, thank you and congradulations for putting out another fine master work.

I am not complaining but as a 56ker, It took me 2 tries and over 7 hours to get the mod.

I am missing 6 ships that I can tell:

ZCVA
ZBB
ZDW
ZHDW
ZPOL

PSLV

Where might I procure these ships to complete my copy of you mod?

Qapla!

KF  

Uhh.. What do you mean, "missing"? You didn't download the complete file?  

It appears that I have the entire Mod WITH MODELS except for the above models.  I have EMPTY folders for them.

I wanted this mod SO BAD the night I down loaded this that I ignored the signs of pneumonia that I was starting to have. It turns out I have lower left lung pneumonia and I apologize for not replying sooner. I have yet to play this, as I have been required to rest. I hope to as early as tomorrow with substitute models. I think I know who's Mirak models you are using and If I am correct I have them somewhere.

Best wishes,

KF  

Ok.. Let's see, In order:

ZCVA: copied from stock ZCV.
  - copy assets/models/zcv to opplus/models/zcva. Rename ZCV.mod and ZCV_brk.mod to ZCVA.mod and ZCVA_brk.mod, respectively. This allowed for a stock model to appear different due to a size difference, and eases model separation.

ZBB: copied from stock ZDN.
  - see above for instructions.

ZPOL: copied from ZFF

ZDW: copied from ZDD

ZHDW: copied from ZDD

PSLV: copied from stock ZFA



Did you do something to your stock models that made these copy-from models go missing?

-- Luc

[FireSoul]

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On another topic, you've said previously that you don't really have any interest in working on a fighterlist. If I were to do so, and submit it to you, would you possibly be interested in hosting it? I'd like to take a crack at it, using a "Taldren" style with a SFB base.  

Uhm.. Taldren style, in this case, means Taldren fighters to me. If the offensive PLaD worked well, I would have looked at SFB-like fighters, but it's not the case.

Sorry.. I think I'll stick with this ftrlist.  

Woah. I guess I misunderstood.
You want me to HOST something..

.. uhh.. I could do that, but I don't tend to give access to my server to people these days..

[The_Infiltrator]

What I mean is I e-mail it to you and you put it up.  

[The Postman]

I just found the PSLV model missing from assets/models folder and I found a copy in the opplus folder. Are they =? Should I just copy and paste one from the other? Anyway, great job and Thank You.  

[FireSoul]

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I just found the PSLV model missing from assets/models folder and I found a copy in the opplus folder. Are they =? Should I just copy and paste one from the other? Anyway, great job and Thank You.  

That's the thing. The OP+ installer copies it from assets/models/ and gives it a different size (usually). I don't know why it's missing from your stock folder.  

[CptCastrin]

Bump, big time.