Topic: OP+ 3.1 -- Ready for the world to fear (Read 11249 times)

762 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 22, 2003, 12:29:18 pm »

Getting back to the Hydran fighters FS...

The issue is that on GSA upgrading your fighters is not usually worth the money as it puts you against a bigger hull class.

Take the SUI for example. At 161 it's a decent ship even though the Killerbees will probably never leave the hangar. Bumping it to 167 makes it a real stretch. If you upgrade to useable fighters it has to go up against BCH's and light DN's. No way Jose.

OV, same thing, except you are then firmly in the DN range.

Gone are the days when the Hydrans had a relatively inexpensive fighter we could upgrade to. The cheapest useable fighter is now the Yellowjacket-II which is just pricey enough to put the mothership out of competition with what it will be facing.

(In the olden days we had a 2-hellbore Hornet-I, which was a bit OTT at its price. Unfortunately it was over-nerfed by getting both a price bump AND removing one of the hellbores. Oddly enough it was made the same price as the Yellow-II which is faster, carries a gatling, and has the same hitpoints.)

There are a few ships on the list worth upgrading fighters for but in the 160-200 range the 2 BPV Killerbee really hurts.

DH123 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 22, 2003, 01:56:49 pm »

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Getting back to the Hydran fighters FS...

The issue is that on GSA upgrading your fighters is not usually worth the money as it puts you against a bigger hull class.

Take the SUI for example. At 161 it's a decent ship even though the Killerbees will probably never leave the hangar. Bumping it to 167 makes it a real stretch. If you upgrade to useable fighters it has to go up against BCH's and light DN's. No way Jose.

OV, same thing, except you are then firmly in the DN range.

Gone are the days when the Hydrans had a relatively inexpensive fighter we could upgrade to. The cheapest useable fighter is now the Yellowjacket-II which is just pricey enough to put the mothership out of competition with what it will be facing.

(In the olden days we had a 2-hellbore Hornet-I, which was a bit OTT at its price. Unfortunately it was over-nerfed by getting both a price bump AND removing one of the hellbores. Oddly enough it was made the same price as the Yellow-II which is faster, carries a gatling, and has the same hitpoints.)

There are a few ships on the list worth upgrading fighters for but in the 160-200 range the 2 BPV Killerbee really hurts.

Could this be solved by making Admin Shuttles the default fighters?

762 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 22, 2003, 09:49:31 pm »

Didn't really read my post I see.

It DOES NOT come out the same because NOT ALL HYDRAN SHIPS ARE WORTH UPGRADING ON GSA.

Try flying Hydran at 200 late and see what I mean !!!!

Strafer · « **Reply #45 on:** October 22, 2003, 11:15:35 pm »

Are you saying you'll be flying Hydran Late 200 with stock KillerBees.I? Cuz that's the only thing that makes sense.

762 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 22, 2003, 11:46:46 pm »

165
170
175
190
195
200
...probably a lot more I'm not thinking of

Any of those will be flown with at least one group of stock Killerbees, which now costs you an extra 3-6 BPV for the priviledge.

Why? Because the cheapest fighter worth upgrading to costs 4 BPV per fighter, and YOU CAN'T ALWAYS AFFORD IT.

165 is totally fubared - both the SUI and CHC are now priced right out of it.

Why don't you go add 3-6 BPV to each ship in the Fed list and see how they react?????

FireSoul · « **Reply #47 on:** October 23, 2003, 04:20:00 am »

I stand behind my changes. However, there's a solution that could be applied to Hydrans, since they are unique in this case.

Hydrans have fighters, but these fighters are not optional. Why not? Why not make versions of casual carriers without fighters? 100% SFB legal, and would open up the choices in Hydrans where BPV is involved. This is like saying that Lyrans MUST buy their PFs.
Note: Hydran Full Carriers wouldn't get this new variant with this solution. Hydran DNs are usually full carriers, each and every time, so they are exempt too.

For example, the current H-SUI has 6 fighters and costs 167 BPV. A "H-SUIn" would have 0 fighters, and cost 155.

Remember: BPV is how well a ship fights, not how much it costs to build. There's no reason why the Hydran stock fighters which are identical to all other stock fighters should cost less. However, I don't have a problem in removing forced BPV costs for something that is usually optional in SFB.

-- Luc

762 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 23, 2003, 08:34:54 am »

An even better solution!

Will we see this in OP+ 3.2?

Kehakoul · « **Reply #51 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:01:25 pm »

Exellent!!:)

CM.E.Kehakoul_XC

AdmiralFrey_XC · « **Reply #52 on:** September 25, 2003, 04:08:51 pm »

Another fantastic job - I'm for trying the ISC carriers like this.

Way ta go, Firesoul !

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #53 on:** September 25, 2003, 05:14:53 pm »

Cool fish!

I might not get to check it out until after SS2 (though I may apply it to my laptop copy of the game since i'll find it hard to wait that long), but I definiotely look forward to it.

F-SCS and H-MNVs with 20 fighters!?

I'll try to steer clear! oof...dat am scary.

Dogmatix! · « **Reply #55 on:** September 25, 2003, 06:03:29 pm »

It definitely goes a long way to distinguishing a F-CVA+ from an F-SCS in SFC terms, eh?

It will be interesting to see how this pans out in D2 terms. That's always such a messy business, anyway...lol. The new MNV probably won't be m,uch of an impact since we rarely see BBs in D2 campaigns anyway...but a 20-fighter SCS could potentially see the light of day.

IndyShark · « **Reply #56 on:** September 25, 2003, 07:52:00 pm »

FS, I have downloaded the 3.1 shiplist and can't get the exe file to install. Can you check the file without models please?

Rhaz · « **Reply #58 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:11:12 pm »

d/ling now!

Mr. Hypergol · « **Reply #59 on:** September 26, 2003, 10:42:25 am »

Downloaded last night and used model viewer to scan through models. Nice choices. In fact your choices are so in line with mine it'll save me a lot of work substituting to fit my tastes.

Great work. Looking forward to playing and exploring the changes from 3.0.

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