Topic: OP+ 3.1 -- Ready for the world to fear

[FireSoul]

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Huh?

What that does is add 8 bpv to the ranger, 6 to the horseman, 4 to the lancer, etc, etc. Already for GSA these ships have a BPV above their value since these fighters are always changed, as they are useless. As for cheaper - I don't know what you mean. When you buy fighters, they're the same cost, always. There's no "upgrade" discount. Therefore, this represents a surcharge that adds nothing to the combat value of the ship. The Overlord in no way is a 192 BPV ship. It's either 180 (without fighters) or 240 (with fighters). Or that's the way I think of it anyway.

You're wrong. (Don't take it personally)
The "upgrade" discount, as you called it, is there. The base fighter costs 1 BPV move, but there's now 1 BPV less difference with the next type of fighter chosen. A ship with hornet.IIIs will cost the same either way.

Trust me, I checked.


Fresh experiment:
Stock 25412:
H-RN+: 119 BPV. --- Equipped with 8 Hornet.IIIs: 167 BPV

OP+ 3.1:
H-RN+: 127 BPV. --- Equipped with 8 Hornet.IIIs: 167 BPV



Check it yourself.
-- Luc

[FireSoul]

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On another topic, you've said previously that you don't really have any interest in working on a fighterlist. If I were to do so, and submit it to you, would you possibly be interested in hosting it? I'd like to take a crack at it, using a "Taldren" style with a SFB base.  

Uhm.. Taldren style, in this case, means Taldren fighters to me. If the offensive PLaD worked well, I would have looked at SFB-like fighters, but it's not the case.

Sorry.. I think I'll stick with this ftrlist.

[Julin Eurthyr]

Firesoul:

Off to check out the ISC carriers now.  Thank you for keeping everything in mind, I'll let you know how my tests go...

[Klingon Fanatic]

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Firesoul, thank you and congradulations for putting out another fine master work.

I am not complaining but as a 56ker, It took me 2 tries and over 7 hours to get the mod.

I am missing 6 ships that I can tell:

ZCVA
ZBB
ZDW
ZHDW
ZPOL

PSLV

Where might I procure these ships to complete my copy of you mod?

Qapla!

KF  

Uhh.. What do you mean, "missing"? You didn't download the complete file?  

It appears that I have the entire Mod WITH MODELS except for the above models.  I have EMPTY folders for them.

I wanted this mod SO BAD the night I down loaded this that I ignored the signs of pneumonia that I was starting to have. It turns out I have lower left lung pneumonia and I apologize for not replying sooner. I have yet to play this, as I have been required to rest. I hope to as early as tomorrow with substitute models. I think I know who's Mirak models you are using and If I am correct I have them somewhere.

Best wishes,

KF

[FireSoul]

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Firesoul, thank you and congradulations for putting out another fine master work.

I am not complaining but as a 56ker, It took me 2 tries and over 7 hours to get the mod.

I am missing 6 ships that I can tell:

ZCVA
ZBB
ZDW
ZHDW
ZPOL

PSLV

Where might I procure these ships to complete my copy of you mod?

Qapla!

KF  

Uhh.. What do you mean, "missing"? You didn't download the complete file?  

It appears that I have the entire Mod WITH MODELS except for the above models.  I have EMPTY folders for them.

I wanted this mod SO BAD the night I down loaded this that I ignored the signs of pneumonia that I was starting to have. It turns out I have lower left lung pneumonia and I apologize for not replying sooner. I have yet to play this, as I have been required to rest. I hope to as early as tomorrow with substitute models. I think I know who's Mirak models you are using and If I am correct I have them somewhere.

Best wishes,

KF  

Ok.. Let's see, In order:

ZCVA: copied from stock ZCV.
  - copy assets/models/zcv to opplus/models/zcva. Rename ZCV.mod and ZCV_brk.mod to ZCVA.mod and ZCVA_brk.mod, respectively. This allowed for a stock model to appear different due to a size difference, and eases model separation.

ZBB: copied from stock ZDN.
  - see above for instructions.

ZPOL: copied from ZFF

ZDW: copied from ZDD

ZHDW: copied from ZDD

PSLV: copied from stock ZFA



Did you do something to your stock models that made these copy-from models go missing?

-- Luc

[FireSoul]

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On another topic, you've said previously that you don't really have any interest in working on a fighterlist. If I were to do so, and submit it to you, would you possibly be interested in hosting it? I'd like to take a crack at it, using a "Taldren" style with a SFB base.  

Uhm.. Taldren style, in this case, means Taldren fighters to me. If the offensive PLaD worked well, I would have looked at SFB-like fighters, but it's not the case.

Sorry.. I think I'll stick with this ftrlist.  

Woah. I guess I misunderstood.
You want me to HOST something..

.. uhh.. I could do that, but I don't tend to give access to my server to people these days..

[The_Infiltrator]

What I mean is I e-mail it to you and you put it up.  

[The Postman]

I just found the PSLV model missing from assets/models folder and I found a copy in the opplus folder. Are they =? Should I just copy and paste one from the other? Anyway, great job and Thank You.  

[FireSoul]

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I just found the PSLV model missing from assets/models folder and I found a copy in the opplus folder. Are they =? Should I just copy and paste one from the other? Anyway, great job and Thank You.  

That's the thing. The OP+ installer copies it from assets/models/ and gives it a different size (usually). I don't know why it's missing from your stock folder.  

[CptCastrin]

Bump, big time.  

[Jim]

Hey guy, thanks again!  Excellent work!

Jim

[Fluf]

Great work FS.  Now that SS2 is done, I will begin going over this list.

One thing though

 

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  F-SCS and H-MNV now have 20 fighters. (30 in SFB)
 

What happened to the Z-SCS.  This ship should have 12 fighters and 6 mech links from SFB- thus translating to 24 fighters following the 2/3rds rule.  Please take a look at this ship. Dizzy arcs need to go FAL/FAR following standard Mirak changes from previous list.

[DH123]

I think Maverick found a boo-boo . . .

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=195501&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

BTW, have the non-X MIRV ships been Play-tested at all?  

[Rob Cole]

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I think Maverick found a boo-boo . . .

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=195501&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

BTW, have the non-X MIRV ships been Play-tested at all?  

Well I just killed a C-10K with one of the HWD's with MIRV's..In skrimmish mode at admiral level....it was easy.

[FireSoul]

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I think Maverick found a boo-boo . . .

http://208.57.228.4/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB2&Number=195501&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

BTW, have the non-X MIRV ships been Play-tested at all?  

I figured that if I made money off of this, I'd playtest it with selected players.
Oh, it's free?


I played with it with a couple of guys. The Miraks/Kzinti are now (except for a couple of errors) up to par to their real threat.

[VelvetAcidChrist]

well and i found a error in bpv translation -the ccx-m is 150+ bpv although the normal ccx is 230+ (sotrry i dont recall correct bpv) but instead of being 20 bpv higher its 100 bpv lower .

[FireSoul]

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well and i found a error in bpv translation -the ccx-m is 150+ bpv although the normal ccx is 230+ (sotrry i dont recall correct bpv) but instead of being 20 bpv higher its 100 bpv lower .  

thanks.
So, so far, it's the Z-DWDm and the Z-CCXm. The errors are starting to pile up.



BTW, mind using the error correction thread for this?

[DH123]

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I played with it with a couple of guys. The Miraks/Kzinti are now (except for a couple of errors) up to par to their real threat.  

Is this on an even BPV level that they are up to par?  I'm a D2 player where full-loadouts are the norm and what is balanced in an even-BPV GSA fight is rarely balanced in D2.  

[FireSoul]

Folks mainly focusing on D2 servers are always complaining about the shiplist. This is not a serious D2-oriented shiplist, even tho it could be used as such in a pinch.

[DH123]

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Folks mainly focusing on D2 servers are always complaining about the shiplist. This is not a serious D2-oriented shiplist, even tho it could be used as such in a pinch.  

I guess you are right, we should stop trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.

Great for GSA though.   Once again, than you for all the hard work, it is appreciated.