Topic: OT - ok im done im no longer a fan of this show " Enterprise semi spoilers"

[Reverend]

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The whole vulcan-mind-meld-equated-with-human-homosexuality thing blew it for me.  I am not going to put up with that stuff just because there is a ship called Enterprise on it.  

Lord, I'm glad I only saw one episode; that's hideous.... Starforce, you can't be serious to say you thing it canon, with that sort of business above in the show? A person of your caliber believing in or supporting tht sort of non-canon nonsense? I held you in higher regard than that, certainly.
You like it, well, I can't and won't hold that against you, and I will shut my trap now... you'll still be cool to me, but I rather you not ask me to watch it, because I won't.  

[EmeraldEdge]

Regardless of whether someone likes it or not, the defenition of canon is that it is in a StarTrek T.V. show.  Well, guess what.  It's a Trek show, and it's even got "StarTrek" in the title now.  Besides the interviews talking about knowing where the series history has to end up, because of TOS.  It's canon, unfortunately.  

[Atrahasis]

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I like the new show. It's a thinking man's show. It at times explores issues relevant to us today from an alien perspective but we darn well know it's talking about us. This is what the original show liked to do, for example all those times they found an Earth-replica planet but something on it had gone wrong in its past ("Miri" and "The Omega Glory"). Does it make much sense or is it realistic? Heck no. People should scoff at the idea of finding TWO Earth-replicas in deep space in the same series, if they have any horse sense at all. But once you accept that Trek is art and it at times tries to do some social exploring via this medium and in this fashion, you can just sit back and enjoy the show. Expecting it to be correct in continuity for every piece of hardware or weapon or gadget that they show is having the wrong expectations for this show, in my opinion, and frankly is saying that the show should have lower standards because it's basically a demand to sacrifice creativity for having the correct props or some stage-related issue like that.

I especially like how they succeeded in incorporating an overarching time-travelling paradox into the underlying fabric of the series,  that's something that has not been tried before.  

[Atrahasis]

Might I also point out that in the original run of the TOS series, the show was considered bad! People did not like it much, it was only in the reruns in the 1970's that people watched it with a passion. Some things take time to sink in, and often you don't appreciate something until it's gone, and there's also the fact that hindsite lends perspective.  

[Smiley]

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The whole vulcan-mind-meld-equated-with-human-homosexuality thing blew it for me.  I am not going to put up with that stuff just because there is a ship called Enterprise on it.  

What's wrong with that idea specifically?

Is every analogy involving a slightly less than "conventional" group of people going to be deemed awful just for the sake of the fact that that we might not like that group of people? Analogies are made all around us everyday....Why should they be considered bad in this show? I agree wwhole-heartedly with what Atrahasis has said about the whole Earth-relica thing and how it lets us explore what might be - but isn't. I am confused! Please explain this to me? Is this forum homophobic now?

And where are all of the women to balance this place out?

[ActiveX]

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And where are all of the women to balance this place out?

Playing something called...SCF?...no...SFC...yeah that's it...

[InterMech]

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The whole vulcan-mind-meld-equated-with-human-homosexuality thing blew it for me.  I am not going to put up with that stuff just because there is a ship called Enterprise on it.  

What's wrong with that idea specifically?

Is every analogy involving a slightly less than "conventional" group of people going to be deemed awful just for the sake of the fact that that we might not like that group of people? Analogies are made all around us everyday....Why should they be considered bad in this show? I agree wwhole-heartedly with what Atrahasis has said about the whole Earth-relica thing and how it lets us explore what might be - but isn't. I am confused! Please explain this to me? Is this forum homophobic now?
 

On the Trek side of things I was very displeased with the producers taking something that was very Vulcan in the Star Trek universe and manipulating into something considered unacceptable by the ignorant bigotous Vulcan conservatives. The Vulcan mind meld, a hall mark of Star Trek was sacrificed on the alter of political correctness. A similar thing happened with the concept of warp speed in TNG and the Bajoran Worm Hole in DS9. I could live with the warp and wormhole thing, but this mind meld thing was crossing the line. As far as the "homophobic" issue, you will have to personal message me or e-mail me to discuss that one, the model forum is not the place.

Enterprise needs to focus on the Earth-Romulan War. Now that would be much more interesting!  

[Smiley]

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On the Trek side of things I was very displeased with the producers taking something that was very Vulcan in the Star Trek universe and manipulating into something considered unacceptable by the ignorant bigotous Vulcan conservatives. The Vulcan mind meld, a hall mark of Star Trek was sacrificed on the alter of political correctness.

Thankyou - that makes sense

[EmeraldEdge]

I really hate the way they have tried so very desperately to eroticize the Vulcans.  What they are doing is shameful, and a grab for cheap ratings.  Have we ever seen Vulcan's wear skin tight body suits on a regular basis?  Do any of the other Vulcan's that we've seen do so?  T'pol wore robes in the opening of the first episode, but when she gets onboard, it's skin tight.  Why?  Would we be seeing all these erotic or "intimate" Vulcan things if the Vulcan onboard were a male?  Even if he were attractive?   Maybe, but only if he were engaging in such activity with another female onboard (the female that they would put onboard wearing skin tight clothes, of course.  They NEED it).  

[starforce2]

well, after seeing the episode you've all be complaining about, I think it was a good episode. That plot wasn't that complex but it did have another nice alien ship, and not a reuse of some design.  

[Atrahasis]

IMO There's always been something deeply screwed up with the Vulcans.....they go into Pon Farr every seven years,, and yet this is not a natural development but something that started (unwillingly I might add) ever since they started to repress their emotions?

[starforce2]

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The whole vulcan-mind-meld-equated-with-human-homosexuality thing blew it for me.  I am not going to put up with that stuff just because there is a ship called Enterprise on it.  

Lord, I'm glad I only saw one episode; that's hideous.... Starforce, you can't be serious to say you thing it canon, with that sort of business above in the show? A person of your caliber believing in or supporting tht sort of non-canon nonsense? I held you in higher regard than that, certainly.
You like it, well, I can't and won't hold that against you, and I will shut my trap now... you'll still be cool to me, but I rather you not ask me to watch it, because I won't.  

When was the vulcan mind meld compared to homosexuality? You've got to remeber this isn't tng. Most people by that era accepted the mind meld. Back in archers day, the vulcans were despised and people proably wouldn't like the idea of merging minds. I don't think there was ever a relation made to homosexuals.

[starforce2]

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And where are all of the women to balance this place out?

If you find them, give them directions to my house.