Topic: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise

[Fire Blade]

I would like to see Either tmp or late tmp-tng this would fill a big gap of trek history
there is a big gap between the Enterprise B and The Enterprise  C   and then the Enterprise D
What happens to John Harriman ? how or why does he get command of the Federation Flag ship ?


Or we could have Star Trek Excelsior After Sulu retires command to some body else
A show based on TMP would go down very well with the fan base
plus it would give us more cannon designs to model !

Berman E.C.T realy need to think something new up or Trek as we know it will die
I watch enterprise but the clashes with the timeline makes it a joke but its entertainment and thats what its ment to be

There seems to be no new movies planned
which is scary
no more TNG which was killed of in nemisses
i would love to see a Deep space Nine movie where the return of Capt Sisko to our universe could and should happen
and the Bajorans  could finely join the Federation
just a few thoughts
Fire Blade

[nx_adam_1701]

lol, good name, id watch it

adam out

Plus I want to see the change from phaser emitters to arrays i could never grasp the idea, when watching ST2 WOK I saw the way it fired, seemed wierd, the phasers i mean, is that the way the excelsior phaser look when there fired, like AMD, or in TNG terms anti-matter spread
???????????????
adam out

[James Formo]

As long as there is getting to be be so much time travel in trek. I say just cancel it and bring back Dr. Who. I'll even setle for the old reruns with K9.  

[Chrystoff]

Perhaps "Star Trek, The Adventures of Captain John Hariman." But Star Trek: EXCELSIOR is the best idea to me! It even sounds cool.  

[Reverend]

No kidding, the Excelsior Class has been my hands-down favorite canon ST ship- that'd be a good show.  

[Hig Hurtenflurst]

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Actually, it's been done before.. and better.  Season 1, Babylon 5.  

Yeah, but I'm talking about 'Trek here.  LOTSA shows have had cooler aliens than Trek.

[ActiveX]

I'd like to purchase all the Trek rights from Viacom...eventually...hehe...

[jayvt3]

Well here's my say.  I have been a trek fan from about 1972 and what I've seen of the bad is that it was brought down, mostly, on the fans by the fans.  What I mean by this is for example in the late seventies NASA named the first shuttle Enterprise and this was due to the record breaking amount of fan mail recieved from trek fans.  But got news for you there folks if SW was alittle better it would have been STS-Millenium Falcon.  From there it went into the books, and what I mean by this is, all the books written about TOS and the tv shows would have you to believe that every single day the Enterprise crew was off saving all of creation from something.  It was as if there was no other ship in the whole Federation.  But the nail in the photon torp had to be from Gene's own hand.  Yep I said it.  The main reason that TOS failed was Gene Roddenberry's desire to micromanage every aspect of production caused its overall failure.  But what it all comes down to in the end is M-O-N-E-Y.  That is why you get better aliens in Star Wars than trek.  Also the type of people who make up the fan base.  When I say this take into consideration why in SW you got new Jedi, in trek you get new Dabo girls.  In the last episode of Enterprise I saw they made sure to get some of T'Pol's titty in the scene.  Hey say that to yourself T'Pol's Titty...T'Pol's Titty.  Sounds kinda like a drink at Quark's.  So how 'bout another T'Pol's Titty Chief?  Oh don't mind if I do.

But here for you is my assesment of the whole Star Trek stuff.  TNG.  For the love of ... The ship looks like it has down's syndrome(now dont get your panties in a knot but the ship does look like some retarded ape made it) the crew act like somebody inserted 2x4's up their "we're the high and mighty Federation of Planet's" asses, the birth of "Trek-nology"and the  kirk-esque(is that a word?) diatribe between Picard and Ryker at the end of an episode made me gag.  Also who would want to actually sit down and talk to Troi anyway?   What about... WESLEY!!!!!  That poor guy.  People hated his character so much the guy is probably on crack, selling his ass right next to the guy who did Jar Jar Binks becuase nobody is going to give him a decent acting part.  Except maybe as a drug addicted male prositute.  But by the end of the series and only after the death of Stinky Gene did it become a decent effort.

Deep Space 9.  The first episode was great, I thought.  Seeing the devastation on the Saratoga and watching Sisko fight for his wife, even though she was dead brought about a very human side to the Trek genre.  But by the end of the series I hated the ingrate Bajorans and the flip flop Federation way.  Also the jungle fever relationship between Dax and Worf was just so
token to be a true credit to the serie's story line.  "It would have have been a beautiful baby."  Yeah with a big knobby head crossed eyes and spots with a worm in it's butt.

Voyager returned to the Pax Federatus attitude with the Maquis and the selective favortism of 7 of 9.  Also the continuing tradition of the expendable crew person.

Enterprise is quite honestly in my opinion an O-K show. Not good not bad, just O-K.   It is quite easy to judge anonimously but it has only been on for only 3 years and if you take into consideration that TNG was on for 7 years, DS9 for I think 5, and Voyager the same.   I did lose a bet on Hoshi, that intergalactic floozy.

 I personally would like to see a remake of TOS from another ship's view or from, say the Klingon or Romulan perspective.  I mean by this is how would it have been to be aboard the Constellation as it engaged the planet killer or be part of the Klingon occupation force on Organia or been part of the task force sent to engage Enterprise during the M-5 trials.  I will admit the genre of Star Trek has some really great ideas but it all comes down to M-O-N-E-Y.    I guess that this would make me a TOS kinda guy.  Dang should've voted and kept my mouth shut.  

Oh and if you were wondering about my comments about ol' stinky Gene.  Here in Louisville KY, that's Kentucky for you unedjamecated folks.  We had the State Fair and the 100th championship show of horses.  Guess who I got to meet .
 

[EmeraldEdge]

Well,  I woud very much like to vote for TMP era stuff.  I love those ships the most, and many other elements of that era as well.  Still, with the current crew of creators, it just doesn't fly to go backwards.  They rape continuity like it's going out of style, and they aren't going to get rid of them, so I would have to vote for post Voyager, despite the fact that I hated Voyager after the first few episodes (and I didn't care for a lot of TNG either).  I really hate the techno-babble replacing human inginuity.

I happen to like Enterprise, overall.  I think it's got the best cast since TOS (although there were a few cast members I liked from the other series).  I do, however, see massive problems with it, and at times the situations seem just too stale, or "synthetic" due to their being additions purely for the sake of cheap ratings.  I have very little confindence in the current crew to put out quality sci-fi.  They also need to let go of the time travel thing.  If I want time travel, I'll watch old Dr. Who episodes (which I loved, and wished that Fox had picked up after they made the T.V. movie).  They spend way too much time doing time related stuff, and then do it badly.  I cringe everytime I see them use the "quantum dating" thing.  Yes, this dates from the future!  How could it do that?  They would have to create a sensor built from knowledge of the overall structure of the passage of time, etc., and thus would know that travel through it is possible.  Just what is it dating?  It's not dating the age of the item, but rather the period in the overall landscape of time that the item comes from.  Thus they would have to know about elements that kling to items that come into existence during certain time periods or something.  The whole concept seems drastically flawed, and put in because they seem to be lazy writers who use techo-babble to cause the reasoning for action, rather than true reason, action, and dialogue.

It is for those reasons that the current crew should never be trusted to do a "retro-Trek" but should forever be vanquished to pushing ever further into the future and screwing it up as they go.  At least we'll have the past when things were relatively sane.  

[111wallace111]

The glory days of Trek are passed. The future seems uncertain. I don't think the series has much life left. But I am Thankfull for the history and the entertainment that it has brought for so many years.

If I were to hope for another series It would be TMP and produced by Nic Meyer. He seems to have a real feal for the Trek universe. The Wrath of Khan is a perfect example.  

OK OK Its wishfull thinking but That was a time when the adventure could be carried through and still have the "high Seas" feel like The Hornblower Stories.


111wallace111@msn.com  

Ignore the web page its not up anymore.  

[Johanobesus]

It's the poor story telling that's the problem.  The writing is just bad.  I believe B&B have stated that they don't know where the series is going.  They don't know who the future guy is.  They don't know any more about the temporal cold war than we do.  No wonder the writing is so bad.  With B5, the creator planned the basic story out before the series started.  Lucas had the story for Star Wars from the start.  Maybe he didn't have all the details worked out, but he knew Luke was going to face Palpatine in a throne room at the end.  B&B have no vision for Star Trek.  They have no plans for it.  It's just puttering along with no direction and no goals.  Now, this could work.  I, personally, am not a big fan of story arcs.  I thought DS9 was better before the Dominion War.  TOS was just fine without an arc, but it had (sometimes) good writing.  Doctor Who is my favorite Sci-Fi program, and it was almost an anthology.  The lack of quality story telling is what is killing Enterprise, especially with the "arc" that is supposed to be there.  I don't mind the inconsistencies so much.  If you look at TOS, there are all kinds of inconsistencies.  How long into the series was it before we heard about a UFP?  It was always the earth ship and earth men.  I think there was even a throw-away line about Vulcan being conquered.  I don't get too upset about the inconsistencies with Enterprise.  I would like a more primitive look to the show.  Nowadays there are basically two aesthetics for spaceships: organic and sleek and curved, or blocky and industrial looking.  I think something more like the Daedalus would, in a way, be more creative today.  But even that is not a deal breaker.  It's just the low quality.  

Where is the wonder, even disgust, when the crew encounters new aliens?  No matter how bizarre or new or unexpected, Archer and co. just take it in stride, rarely just stopping in awe.  As I remember, Picard was much more moved by the Dyson sphere than Archer was by his little sphere.  Granted, the Dyson Sphere was much larger, but Picard was more worldly.  There is no sense of wonder in this show.  No feeling of awe.  Maybe we as a society have lost our ability to wonder.  I recently read an anthology of Asimov's older works, and one thing that I kept thinking over and over is, "people wouldn't react that way."  Maybe, with all the Sci-Fi and special effects, we just don't have much awe left in us.  If so, then I guess we can't do any better with Star Trek.  

So to get to the question at hand, I say we let it die.  The people in charge of Star Trek just do not understand Sci-Fi and have no vision or imagination.  The franchise needs to get out of the rut it's in.  Maybe in a few years, under new leadership with creative writers, a TMP series could be made.  Maybe one base loosely on SFB and SFC.  I would like to know why the Organians didn't care about the Cardassian war or the Dominion war or the Borg.  

By the way, Emerald Edge, you should look up what they planned to do with the new Dr. Who.  After reading the "bible" for the proposed series, I am glad Fox dropped it.
 

[Klingon Fanatic]

Star Trek Excelsior would be cool, but let's have Captain Sulu move on and turn the ship over to new blood.

Paramaount SHOULD use its financial clout and buy the rights to many of the fan based ships out there. Lets use up as many of the parmount approved designs used in Trek games rather than recycle the same flipping ships over and over again (e.g., Regula One or ad nauseum Constitution variants...)

I'd love to see the K'teremny, the USS Churchill, the Ulysses class on the TV screen.

I would start the series a year or two after ST: VI, maybe in the opening scene we might see the Enterprise B or C in Utopia Planitia under construction..along with some FASA ships; lets go for the Andorian Blue Fleet while we are at it!

I'm not sure what direction it would take but I know where I'd end the series:

The Battle of Nerendra III with Melak Warbirds attacking the Enterprise C

Just my two cents.

KF

[Mentat Jon]

I say after Enterprise,let Trek Rest for 10 years, let it regenerate, the well is dry.  

[Silverstone]

I'm okay with Enterprise. I wish that more creativity would be invested into it, but overall, I can stand it. I will go as far as to say that its characters are likely the most dull of all the shows, though. Save for Trip, everyone reminds me of the mindless zombies from Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.  

After reading Serpents Among the Ruins, I'd also like to see an late 23rd-early 24th century show with that book as its basis. However, I wouldn't want the current writing team behind the project...

 

[Fire Blade]

bump

[sandman69247]

My vote is for TMP era. I mentioned this once before in a similar discussion, that there is a new series in the Trek line of books called "The Lost Era"; I read the 1st one and can't wait for the rest! It's set with Sulu and the Excelsior on a diplomatic mission to the Tholians and has all the intrigue and action that you could want. The series is supposed to take place from 2298 to 2350 or so IIRC. If not a Sulu/Excelsior storyline, then one that deals with a smaller ship. Maybe a Miranda/Soyuz class...still large enough for exploration and going "where no man has gone before", yet small enough that a battle isn't over after a few phaser shots and torpedos. It should also be more realistic in the away missions; I mean really, do you think the 1st to set foot on a new planet is going to be the senior staff? Hell no! The 1st ones will be the 24th century version of SEALS. I'm sure Columbus didn't row to shore on the 1st boat...more than likely it was the 3rd or 4th, after the "expendable" personell verified it was safe. Sure, sensor will tell you that the atmosphere is safe, that there sre no intelligent life signs in evidence...but what about other animals? The sensor will tell you that there is a life form down there, but whether or not it is dangerous is only knowable by meeting it and studying it. Send down a company of marines to scout the area and establish a LZ, then when the all clear is given 1 or 2 of the senior staff should go down with a crew of scientists. That way, the show could have a backup for when they're at a loss for a storyline involving the ship and senior crew..."Tonight episode finds UFPMC (United Federation of Planets Marine Corps) Capt. So and So and his company of space faring leathernecks fighting for survival on Planet X while the USS Whatever is prevented from sending aid or rescueing them due to severe ion storms in the atmosphere. Watch as the Marines use every trick in the book make it out alive. Tonight at 8pm on your Trek Station". Or something like that. There is so much that could be done with that era...especially to explain in detail what happened between TMP and TNG.

As for Enterprise, it's ok and like has been said, it's growing on me more and more, the same as TNG, DS9 and Voyager did. When I 1st saw TNG, I was pissed! They had totally screwed up Trek! In fact, I didn't watch it again until the last 2 seasons, then went back and watched the rest because it had become a "good" show. Hell, there are still episode that come on that I haven't seen, or only saw a little of. Same with DS9 and Voyager. I am glad they left the "ST" off of it though. It's Trek, but not Trek. I agree that B&B should leave, as they have stagnated. What they should do is bring in some of the authors of the Trek novels; there are some very good ones! Hey I know....William Shatner has written some good ones. Why not have him write a few storylines? Couldn't be any worse than what there is now.

Aliens. Yes, we need more non-humanoid aliens. Let's face it, we have no idea what ET really looks like, so you really have room to manuever(sp?). Why not an alien from an aquatic world? What would Dolphins look like if they had evolved to be the dominant intelligent species? Or dinosaurs? And no, I don't consider a humanoid Gorn as a viable alien reptile. In my mind, I see a Velociraptor.

If we have to, I could see dropping ST for a few years, if only to revive interest.

 

[Ducttapewonder]

Hmmm.....I like that idea Sandman. UFPMC (United Federation Of Planets Marine Corp).........Now there is an Idea that has yet to be tapped into. You would definately get action + a whole new angle to write stories from instead of the usual space exploration setting. From 2293 forward would seem to be the perfect setting, as it is a pretty turbulent time for galactic politics, with the Khitomer confrence bringing an uneasy peace between the feds and klinks, as well as opening up new areas to colonization....The perfect place to find Marines..........Throw the Roms in as the main villians trying to upset the new found peace between the Feds and Klinks.......+ lots of room for stories about problems on member worlds. Pirate Cartels, terrorism, etc. etc...........OR....Perhaps a behind the curtins angle. 23rd century James Bond scenario. Following an agent of the FIA (Federation Intelligence Agency)......................I for one would enjoy such a series that follows either of these ideas and think it would inject new life into a franchise that seems to be fresh out of new ideas.  

[starforce2]

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Perhaps "Star Trek, The Adventures of Captain John Hariman." But Star Trek: EXCELSIOR is the best idea to me! It even sounds cool.  

Who is Hariman?

[Fire Blade]

John Harriman is the Captain of the Enterprise B seen in Generations when Kirk Gets "Killed" by the Nexus

[Grim Reaper]

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Hmmm.....I like that idea Sandman. UFPMC (United Federation Of Planets Marine Corp).........Now there is an Idea that has yet to be tapped into. You would definately get action + a whole new angle to write stories from instead of the usual space exploration setting. From 2293 forward would seem to be the perfect setting, as it is a pretty turbulent time for galactic politics, with the Khitomer confrence bringing an uneasy peace between the feds and klinks, as well as opening up new areas to colonization....The perfect place to find Marines..........Throw the Roms in as the main villians trying to upset the new found peace between the Feds and Klinks.......+ lots of room for stories about problems on member worlds. Pirate Cartels, terrorism, etc. etc...........OR....Perhaps a behind the curtins angle. 23rd century James Bond scenario. Following an agent of the FIA (Federation Intelligence Agency)......................I for one would enjoy such a series that follows either of these ideas and think it would inject new life into a franchise that seems to be fresh out of new ideas.  

How bout the Starship troopers idea? Not a blockbuster but i found the idea not too bad