Topic: OT poll.......Your vote and opinion on the future of the ST franchise

[Ducttapewonder]

There seems to ba a lot of talk recently about the future of the ST franchise. Some like the current series "Enterprise". Some don't. What I want is your vote on when the next series should take place and any opinions you may have about what you think would make for a great series.


So........What should it be?

Era of the next ST series.
Pre TOS
TOS Remake
Phase II (Post TOS)
TMP
Post TMP (Early 24th Century)
Yet Another TNG
Post Voyager
Waaaaay Out There
I love Enterprise. It will carry the franchise for years to come. Don't change a thing.
I'm Finished. Dont let the powers that be create another red headed bastard step-child to beat into the ground

Opinions?



   

[DarkMatrix]

i`d like see show set well after tng made next after enterprise has run its full 7 seasons like rest of the show me myself i enjoy enterprise

DM

[Desty_Nova]

I can't stand Enterprise, and I'm sick of being insulted by the Berman Brigade. They did everything wrong on that show, from the ship, to the characters, to the writing. Everything is shallow, superficial, and adolecsent. Watching their endless parade of cheap ratings gimmicks while they say that they just haven't found the right Trek 'formula' fills me with disgust. There's talk of canceling the series. Good. Do it. Let Star Trek die for decade or more, then come back with good ideas and new creative minds after Enterprise is just a dim bad memory.  

[DarkMatrix]

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I can't stand Enterprise, and I'm sick of being insulted by the Berman Brigade. They did everything wrong on that show, from the ship, to the characters, to the writing. Everything is shallow, superficial, and adolecsent. Watching their endless parade of cheap ratings gimmicks while they say that they just haven't found the right Trek 'formula' fills me with disgust. There's talk of canceling the series. Good. Do it. Let Star Trek die for decade or more, then come back with good ideas and new creative minds after Enterprise is just a dim bad memory.  

let me guess a tos fan??

people just dont give shows time to get where they going do they we had 52 shows of enterprise so far and out of them i enjoyed over 40 of them few dull ones here and they just watch tng so many i just dont watch hey as they so dam slow to watch more fun painting they house lol just my view just see it as a other show man you enjoy it more for what it is

most people keep on about the timeline of trek give them time to work it out it all fit in the end as it always does

look at voyager when i seen the first season i just not get into it was not till season 5 i started to watch it ( oh yes the borg ) then i rewatched every season and loved every min of it just one of them things all shows need time to grow on you

as far as them stopping it cant see that happening anytime soon they put too much money into the show already they just started season 3 i think it go to the end of a 7th season just like the rest

rant over.............

DM

 

[starforce2]

I'm going to say post voyager. A tos remake wouldn't be bad, but the actors were 90% of it and it just wouldn't be the same. To be honest, they way enterprise (and some of voyager) was, I think they're setting us up for temporal-trek, the next series will be based on a wells class.

[Desty_Nova]

Re: DarkMatrix

I'm not strictly a TOS fan, I'm a fan of any well-written and intelligent Star Trek show. Enterprise is neither of those. (note: much of Voyager also lacked completely in this respect). I tried to go into Enterprise with an open mind. But when I first saw the design of the NX-01, that was a huge red flag for me. To me, iIt wasn't just the design of the ship. It was an indicator of the level of creativity and originality on the show. I tried to convince myself it was joke, or a hoax, or debilirate misinformation to hide the much cooler *actual* design they had in store. But that was it. Enterprise has not once lived up to my expectations after that. It's always been predictable, dull, uncreative, or just outright terrible. It makes me wince sometimes. I mean, look at some of these episodes; that one with Rene Auberjonois(a TOTAL waste of his appearance), A Night in Sickbay(pointless garbage), Dear Doctor(the doctor won't save a species even though he can because they're dying of 'natural causes'? Give me a break), the premiere of Season 3(does anyone on this show EVER research real-life military??? Oh and T'Pol gets naked again), Regeneration(the BORG?!?! I joked about this as the low Enterprise would never be able to stoop to!!! AUUGGHHH!!!!). I could go on.    
I love Star Trek. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here. And I would love for Star Trek to endure, but I'd rather have it die than go on as it currently is. The Powers That Be are doing so much more harm than good. Rick Berman is so incopetant, it frightens me. he insists that the huge plunge in Enterprise's ratings has nothing to do with the content of the show, and that they just need to find the right formula to make it work. Argh.  
Well, I can't take it any more. I would have no self-repsct as a Star Trek fan if I kept watching. Sometimes the truth hurts.  

[Confused??]

Sniffs.......Shakes his head and thinks "typical". You know Destiny not to be insulting but it's that attitude towards trek that makes people laugh. I mean we may love the show but the majority of the worlds population think of us as freaks.
Maybe that's why Ent doesn't have the "Startrek" before it's name.The fact is to many it's not just garbage it's a new show and without new fans trek will die. Consider what a new fan of Enterprise would think when watching TOS......" Oh they did something like that in Enterprise, seeing it in this old crap is pointless"
I don't think TOS is crap but that's how someone younger may think.
I take Enterprise for what it is, just as I do with Andromeda/Stargate/Farscape/Space above and beyond and waht ever sci-fi you can add.All fiction has general stories and for thaty matter real life.
As for the ship....do you actually want it to look more primitave than what we have today? That ould just make the show crap.Maybe the bridge and computers can be made from cardboard?
It has to be updated to fit in with the modern world and it's perceptions of the future, that includes asthetics.
Yes maybe it is a bit superficial but so is everything else.
Give the show time and everything in it will fit intot he Trek timeline, and what isn't written in will be put in and speculated on by us the fans.
Again I hope this doesn't offend you.

[Desty_Nova]

I'm not sure why people would laugh at me for this...I have standards for everything based on what they are(or what they are trying to be), Enterprise is no different. And I'm certainly not going to lower my standards just because it is Star Trek.
Anyway maybe Enterprise works for a younger viewer with no prior knowledge and that's fine, I will just not support it.
I know it's only possible to come up with so many stories(or variations thereof), especially after 4 series and hundreds of episodes, but if they're going to reuse concepts they should at least do them tolerably well.

And about the ship. It not the fact that it's sleek and cool-looking that I have a problem with. It's the Akiraprise I have a problem with. It's the fact that the Star trek franchise has calcified so much,  they couldn't even come up with a new ship design. I agree that a show has to be made palatable to the tastes of our modern audience, from a visual standpoint. I don't want the sets to be made of cardboard, I don't want the ship to be a tube with spheres attached to it, but I want it to be original and interesting. I mean, look at the history of new and interesting and beautiful ships star trek has brought us: the original Enterprise, the Enterprise A, the Enterprise D, the Enterprise E, Voyager, the Defiant, the Akira. Most of these made me ooh and ahh the first time I ever saw them. You can imagine my dissappointment when the NX-01 was the first one to make me say, 'this is a joke, right?'

And I don't think Enterprise will eventually fit into the timeline, I don't think TPTB have it in them to make it happen. It's ok though, I gave up on that long ago.

Don't worry, I'm not offended, I have my opinion and you have yours.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Hello Ducttapewonder,

Thanks alot for the interesting thread,
I really enjoyed the poll,

I voted Post Voyager,
If I may specify,

My personal opinion is that a "Post-Dominion Wars" ST show would be very interesting,
their are several things that could be spun around,

an Occupied Cardassian Union,
and how the Federation, Klingons, and Romulans, the members of the Triple Alliance
would interact,

to me it would be reminiscent of the Occupation and Partition of Germany after World War II,
the possibilities are endless,

but that is just me,

BTW,
Personally,
I like ST: Enterprise quite a bit,
and its does not significantly alter the original ST: TOS,

but re-making a new ST: TOS, would in my opinion,
be like letting a NUKE off in a Catherdal ....


Take care, man
Agent Sloan
 

[Atrahasis]

Personally, I would love to see a TMP series while they are still wearing those grey uniforms.  

[MajorRacal]

I reckon they should rest the franchise for a good long while - I'm not alone amongst my wee troop in Glasgow in thinking everything's been done to death and that the creative team behind Enterprise have been milked beyond dry, and I can'r deny that I'm not a fan.  But then, I'm not much of a fan of TNG in a lot of respects.

Each era of the show has its strenghts and weakness.

TOS is definitely the most corny of all the incarnations, but the core team are strong, dynamic and their interaction is completely believable.  I can identify with many of their ideals, even if the stories come across as corrie-fisted.  OK the designs are primitive by todays standards, but they set the precedents by which the other shows had to develop... The D-7, for example, is still one of the most perfect, iconic designs of any era.

TMP is by far my favourite era - the designs are so much better honed and relised and in my opinion have never been bettered, but movies are a different kettle of fish, aren' they?  The characters are pulled together even more and the core cast really prove how good their characters are despite some dodgy ideas (ST:V - Ick!!)

TNG arrived amidst much pomp and circumstance, and I've never gotten over how ugly everything had become.  Grace and elegance gave way to bulbous, beige grotesquery and the cast took over 3 years to come together.  Sure there are sparkling storylines, but a lot of them are tendiously dull and I find watching them in their intended context impossible.  After 7 years, even the stronger stories started to die out again, and I felt the show was returning from whence it came.

DS9 is next in my line of favouritism of all the franchises.  The more convoluted story arcs appealed to me greatly (as they did in Babylon 5, Farscape and to some extent, early Doctor Who and  Blake's 7) and DS9's design was simply breathtaking.  Again, the show suffered from weak stories and an inconsistent cast performance, but more than any show, I feel that DS9 continually strived to improve.  Even the introduction of Worf, which initially repulsed me, was handled well, and his character developed in ways that TNG would never have allowed.  Admittedly, I still feel a little cheated by the final pay-off, and the loss of Jadzia never sat well with me.

I often feel that Voyager bears the brunt of fan criticism and in many ways unjustifiably so.  It's by no means my favourite series, and I feel the swinging inconsistancies are an alarming forewarning of what's to follow.  Like TNG, and DS9, it takes too long for the cast to gel, and significant charcter events are forgotten too easily - anyone remember the dramatic change in Neelix's outlook on life?  Anyone notice the significant impact on future stories?  Some of designs are spectacular, Voyager is a definite improvement on the Enterprise D, but she'sstill rather too derivative for my taste.  Another criticism in my mind, is that Voyager tried too hard to remould itself from season to season... and it's horribly ironic that Kes, who was uber-bland left after two of her strongest stories - then came back and undone it all again thanks to sloppy writing.

Enterprise - yes, I griped about the inconsistency in the designs, and I accept both sides of that argument, so I'll not go into that one.  I like the general Enterprise design.  I loath the characters, and despite what I thought was one of the strongest pilot stories of all the Trek (it is Trek, whether the creators wish to acknowledge it or not) series, the show has failed to deliver.  It has brought mediocrity to an all new low.

Generations - the movies are loathsome on all manner of levels... The attempts to appeal to too broad an audience while ignoring the people who are actually interested is always a cardinal sin in my eyes - and it's an increasingly common criticism I have of many modern films and tv series.  OK, the Enterprise E is beautiful, so are the other starships, but the cast are inconsistent and films overwhelmingly centre on the wrong characters and ideas.  Generations was a mess from the moment We left the Enterprise B.  First Contact was annoying and perplexing in equal measure - where did Picard's fury erupt from?  Hadn't his rage over assimilation been placated in TNG?  Why did we need the other woman to tell Picard to control himself - wasn't that better placed in Dr Criusher's hands?  I could go on, but it'll beome a rant.  Even Nemesis is a wasted opportunity.  The Romulans, having been ignored and ignored and ignored, come out and hide again once the Remans are unveiled... And the... no I'm ranting again...

So in summation TMP and DS9 are my favourite incarnations.  I think Enterprise should be axed quickly, and the creative team behind Trek banished, and the space left arable so that good, fresh ideas can spring forth at a later date.  A much later date.

MajorRacal  

[InragedSith]

The next Trek series will more than likely be a remake of TOS

The sad thing is B&B would use Roddenberrys preface in the TMP novelization as justification to do whatever they want

[Atrahasis]

I can tell you one thing: The likelihood of the next Trek series, if there is one, being based on TOS or TMP is very very slim because then they would have to give the Roddenberry estate a greater share of the pie. TNG and all its spin-offs as well as the new Enterprise series may have to give some sort of acknoweldgement kickback to the Roddenberries, but anything based strictly on TOS is another ballgame altogether, legal-wise.  

[I_Mudd]

At the risk of sounding disrespectful to what has gone before, prehaps a re-do/re-edit of the original series could be good. No one can replace TOS, but an updated look might be interesting.
For example, we have cell phones more advanced than a communicator and hand held computers nearly as advanced as tricorders in TOS.
Not only that, but the effects are better these days. (anyone see LOTR?)
I'm not talking about replacing the actors. Prehaps a real story ( Yes ... a real continuing story ... not one of Star Trek's strong points ... Why must it be so episodic? ) set in the era of Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Make the effects good enough to make me belive like I did when I was a kid. Give me a reason to care about the show. I've seen less of Enterprise than I have of any of the shows ... including Voyager ... which I rarely watched when it was new ... ( Oh! We hit a space creature with our starship. Lets render first Aid! / Oh! I hit a rabbit on my way to work ... uh ... He's dead, Jim ... ) Lets get back to " ... boldly going where no man has gone before ... " Not researching singularities, not sitting in a space station, not trying to go home,  and definatley not re-writing the past.

I guess all it would take is creativity. I wonder if we'll see any ...

"sigh"

I_Mudd

[Azel]

I say future trek...possibly a time travel show...as that seems to be the underlining theme in Trek as of late  

[Azel]

I personally would love to eiter see a Sulu Excelsior Trek
Or a Riker Titan Trek
or even missing era's Trek  

[Hig Hurtenflurst]

One thing about this new Xindi storyline:  FINALLY we get to see some real aliens!  (Species 8472 aside) Not just humans with stupid little ridges on their nose or forehead, but actual aliens (albiet just big preying mantis insect things) actual things that might have evolved on their own.   That TNG crap about the common origin didn't cut it in my mind; just an easy cop-out as to why everybody looks the same and speaks english.   (Gene's "I wanna see the actor's eyes" = "I don't wanna spend much money") Yeah, mostly the show sucks, but this small detail at least is a step in the right direction, something that Trek should have had more of right from the start.

[atheorhaven]

Personally, I'm finished with the series... and have been for quite a while.

Dunno how many people here are/were in the con circuit, but I was for a while.  And heard over and over again about the Kirk/Spock/McCoy "Starfleet Academy" idea set pre-TOS (think the script and idea were originally put out by Harve Bennett).  It was almost universally vilified by everyone in the con circuit.  Noone thought that it was a good idea, and that if they were going to do Trek at all.. it be a continuation of the old and just advance down the timeline.  You don't go backwards.

Well, you have to know that the "Starfleet Academy" idea had to get recycled when they got low on ideas.  Ooooo, look.. it's untouched territory that we can legally go into!  Yay!  Let's make an uber-cool new idea.  Set a series the same distance before Kirk/Spock as TNG was after Kirk/Spock, and we can continue that storyline for another (literally) 80 years until the Roddenberries are all dead and their rights to it lapse to the public domain, then we can steamroller over the original series.

Hmmm, and to bring up ratings, let's find a hot woman and put her in a catsuit.  Oh, and what else.. well, Klingons were good for ratings in DS9.. we'll throw them in there.  Ferengi make our lawyers happy because they're characters they can identify with.. they have to make a token appearance.. oh, Borg have to make an appearance 'cause they were good ratings in Voyager.  (Despite the fact that Borg nanoprobes from TNG-era would be resistant to anything radiation-like pre-TOS civilization could throw at it easily, and would eat any retro-virus for breakfast.  Phlox should be a dead drone now, and should've been before the end of the episode easily.  "Alas poor Phlox, we hardly knew you, hey Porthos?  Good dog..")

I mean, please.. let's just say that my vote in this one should kind of be obvious.  Let it die for now, put B&B on the unemployment line.  The entire franchise has been in ICU for years thanks to B&B and is just being kept alive by machines at this point.  Its kidneys have failed, its brain-death long ago, and the corpse is rotting at the edges.  Let's not prop up the corpse with a stick and make its arms twitch and dance with electro-shock just for the tourists at $5/head.

In about 5-7 years or so after there's renewed interest, pick up post-Voyager.  Pull a Highlander III (fan-titled, "Highlander III: Highlander II never happened"), and pretend anything past the end of Voyager never happened.  ("Insurrection"?  What franchise was that?  Wasn't Trek was it?  Nah, don't believe you.. and our lawyers will sue you for libel if you try and push it pal.)  And bring in all new writers, all new designs, and continue.

The only good thing about Season 3 "Enterprise" to date is that it's nice to see the actor who played the telepath first officer Matheson from "Crusade" has gotten himself some new work.  There's an excellent actor who has a great sense of humour, and can deliver a line that'll make you grin with a totally straight face and just so smoothly.  Being "Enterprise", he'll just sit in the background whenever they need a token minority because the scene is too damn white, and take a shot from a Xindi rifle defending Archer.  I predict his final line (and maybe only second spoken line) in the series will be,"Captain, look out!   Arrrrgh!" (zot, crisp, sizzle).

And can you be *any* more pointedly trying to say that an alien race are Iraqi's?  Let's see.. flip the q upside down, that makes a d.. that r turns into an n nicely.. Inadi.. no, that's a mouthful.. gotta give it zip.. zzz.. hmmm, Znadi, maybe flip things around.  Zandi.. too much like candy.. Zindi.  Gotta give it a cool look, Xindi.  There we go.  (gag).

Next thing you know, the leader of the Xindi will be Izimi Din Loodi or Zadin Hisan.  

(sorry to Paramount if I just pre-shadowed any actual planned events and created a foreshadowing of things to come).

My two cent ($C) for what it's worth..

[atheorhaven]

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One thing about this new Xindi storyline:  FINALLY we get to see some real aliens!  (Species 8472 aside) Not just humans with stupid little ridges on their nose or forehead, but actual aliens (albiet just big preying mantis insect things) actual things that might have evolved on their own.   That TNG crap about the common origin didn't cut it in my mind; just an easy cop-out as to why everybody looks the same and speaks english.   (Gene's "I wanna see the actor's eyes" = "I don't wanna spend much money") Yeah, mostly the show sucks, but this small detail at least is a step in the right direction, something that Trek should have had more of right from the start.  

Actually, it's been done before.. and better.  Season 1, Babylon 5.  (We're talking '90s now)  Leader of the black market on Babylon 5 was a giant insectoid named Nagrath, and was done live action (not CGI).  Makes the one that we saw on "Enterprise" look cute and cuddly and almost Teletubbies in comparison.    

Nagrath was cold and plotting and mostly emotionless.  I could've seen Nagrath literally cooly decapitating someone for not paying a bill and sucking all the juice out of them for payment.  Nagrath only disappeared from the show because it was a difficult puppet to operate all the time, and a human underground leader was simply less time-consuming for shooting.  The new one on "Enterprise" however is homicidal, and paranoid, and exhibits all the lovely human characteristics that we see around us in the word everyday.  Not so much an insect at all.  Again, just my two cents..

[nx_adam_1701]

I agree, the truth is im 18 and the first trek I got into was TNG. then ds9 and etc..., at the first sight of TOS, I was like what the f is that, so old, crappy, but then after a while I began to appreciate the show, because without it trek would be possible, and the same thing with Enterprise, I was like how the hell do you end a series with transphasic torpedoes and armor and then revert to old times, but I watched it, and it isnt that bad now besides that

I vote for a TMP era, I dont know about yah but when I see the Enterprise C and see an era missing, like a piece of the puzzle I havent seen, a lost era you can call it, it would be great to know what happens besides that the Enterprise C was lost and Nervanda whatever, it could start with the excelsior and cont..., dont get me wrong a post Voyager would me great as well but TMP, sounds good, Post voyager too... but a remake of TOS TNG or another era that was done will just piss people off, I mean imagine the problems a remake of a TOS would do to all the TOS fans, if they and by that I mean the writers and etcc dont get it right, shoot the world will turn upside down, I say leave those eras as they are, great eras gone, remembered, not replaced, I couple a days ago I read a post about Battlestar Galatica remake, people were outraged, lets leave those beautifuls shows in our mind some things are better left alone, but TMP, and post VOY are things they can do and catch the eyes of the viewers, I mean TMP would be good too see, I know I would love to know what happens in that era, war at kitomer, romulan interferance, plus I like the uniforms and the colors used on the TMP stations, the consoles are green and blue very nice lol lol, uniforms are great too,

adam out

PS Forget enterprise, Lets not dwell on it, whats done is done, either itll get better, or itll get worse, but for goodness sakes, fix the freakin transporters, im so used too them being used and not just for cargo, itll make escaping much easier, everyone else seems to use them, and did anyone notice how faster transporters are getting, TOS was ok, TNG was an improvement, but ENT, those raiders were like flashing in and out, too fast for that era

bye guys, good talk good thread

[Fire Blade]

I would like to see Either tmp or late tmp-tng this would fill a big gap of trek history
there is a big gap between the Enterprise B and The Enterprise  C   and then the Enterprise D
What happens to John Harriman ? how or why does he get command of the Federation Flag ship ?


Or we could have Star Trek Excelsior After Sulu retires command to some body else
A show based on TMP would go down very well with the fan base
plus it would give us more cannon designs to model !

Berman E.C.T realy need to think something new up or Trek as we know it will die
I watch enterprise but the clashes with the timeline makes it a joke but its entertainment and thats what its ment to be

There seems to be no new movies planned
which is scary
no more TNG which was killed of in nemisses
i would love to see a Deep space Nine movie where the return of Capt Sisko to our universe could and should happen
and the Bajorans  could finely join the Federation
just a few thoughts
Fire Blade

[nx_adam_1701]

lol, good name, id watch it

adam out

Plus I want to see the change from phaser emitters to arrays i could never grasp the idea, when watching ST2 WOK I saw the way it fired, seemed wierd, the phasers i mean, is that the way the excelsior phaser look when there fired, like AMD, or in TNG terms anti-matter spread
???????????????
adam out

[James Formo]

As long as there is getting to be be so much time travel in trek. I say just cancel it and bring back Dr. Who. I'll even setle for the old reruns with K9.  

[Chrystoff]

Perhaps "Star Trek, The Adventures of Captain John Hariman." But Star Trek: EXCELSIOR is the best idea to me! It even sounds cool.  

[Reverend]

No kidding, the Excelsior Class has been my hands-down favorite canon ST ship- that'd be a good show.  

[Hig Hurtenflurst]

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Actually, it's been done before.. and better.  Season 1, Babylon 5.  

Yeah, but I'm talking about 'Trek here.  LOTSA shows have had cooler aliens than Trek.

[ActiveX]

I'd like to purchase all the Trek rights from Viacom...eventually...hehe...

[jayvt3]

Well here's my say.  I have been a trek fan from about 1972 and what I've seen of the bad is that it was brought down, mostly, on the fans by the fans.  What I mean by this is for example in the late seventies NASA named the first shuttle Enterprise and this was due to the record breaking amount of fan mail recieved from trek fans.  But got news for you there folks if SW was alittle better it would have been STS-Millenium Falcon.  From there it went into the books, and what I mean by this is, all the books written about TOS and the tv shows would have you to believe that every single day the Enterprise crew was off saving all of creation from something.  It was as if there was no other ship in the whole Federation.  But the nail in the photon torp had to be from Gene's own hand.  Yep I said it.  The main reason that TOS failed was Gene Roddenberry's desire to micromanage every aspect of production caused its overall failure.  But what it all comes down to in the end is M-O-N-E-Y.  That is why you get better aliens in Star Wars than trek.  Also the type of people who make up the fan base.  When I say this take into consideration why in SW you got new Jedi, in trek you get new Dabo girls.  In the last episode of Enterprise I saw they made sure to get some of T'Pol's titty in the scene.  Hey say that to yourself T'Pol's Titty...T'Pol's Titty.  Sounds kinda like a drink at Quark's.  So how 'bout another T'Pol's Titty Chief?  Oh don't mind if I do.

But here for you is my assesment of the whole Star Trek stuff.  TNG.  For the love of ... The ship looks like it has down's syndrome(now dont get your panties in a knot but the ship does look like some retarded ape made it) the crew act like somebody inserted 2x4's up their "we're the high and mighty Federation of Planet's" asses, the birth of "Trek-nology"and the  kirk-esque(is that a word?) diatribe between Picard and Ryker at the end of an episode made me gag.  Also who would want to actually sit down and talk to Troi anyway?   What about... WESLEY!!!!!  That poor guy.  People hated his character so much the guy is probably on crack, selling his ass right next to the guy who did Jar Jar Binks becuase nobody is going to give him a decent acting part.  Except maybe as a drug addicted male prositute.  But by the end of the series and only after the death of Stinky Gene did it become a decent effort.

Deep Space 9.  The first episode was great, I thought.  Seeing the devastation on the Saratoga and watching Sisko fight for his wife, even though she was dead brought about a very human side to the Trek genre.  But by the end of the series I hated the ingrate Bajorans and the flip flop Federation way.  Also the jungle fever relationship between Dax and Worf was just so
token to be a true credit to the serie's story line.  "It would have have been a beautiful baby."  Yeah with a big knobby head crossed eyes and spots with a worm in it's butt.

Voyager returned to the Pax Federatus attitude with the Maquis and the selective favortism of 7 of 9.  Also the continuing tradition of the expendable crew person.

Enterprise is quite honestly in my opinion an O-K show. Not good not bad, just O-K.   It is quite easy to judge anonimously but it has only been on for only 3 years and if you take into consideration that TNG was on for 7 years, DS9 for I think 5, and Voyager the same.   I did lose a bet on Hoshi, that intergalactic floozy.

 I personally would like to see a remake of TOS from another ship's view or from, say the Klingon or Romulan perspective.  I mean by this is how would it have been to be aboard the Constellation as it engaged the planet killer or be part of the Klingon occupation force on Organia or been part of the task force sent to engage Enterprise during the M-5 trials.  I will admit the genre of Star Trek has some really great ideas but it all comes down to M-O-N-E-Y.    I guess that this would make me a TOS kinda guy.  Dang should've voted and kept my mouth shut.  

Oh and if you were wondering about my comments about ol' stinky Gene.  Here in Louisville KY, that's Kentucky for you unedjamecated folks.  We had the State Fair and the 100th championship show of horses.  Guess who I got to meet .
 

[EmeraldEdge]

Well,  I woud very much like to vote for TMP era stuff.  I love those ships the most, and many other elements of that era as well.  Still, with the current crew of creators, it just doesn't fly to go backwards.  They rape continuity like it's going out of style, and they aren't going to get rid of them, so I would have to vote for post Voyager, despite the fact that I hated Voyager after the first few episodes (and I didn't care for a lot of TNG either).  I really hate the techno-babble replacing human inginuity.

I happen to like Enterprise, overall.  I think it's got the best cast since TOS (although there were a few cast members I liked from the other series).  I do, however, see massive problems with it, and at times the situations seem just too stale, or "synthetic" due to their being additions purely for the sake of cheap ratings.  I have very little confindence in the current crew to put out quality sci-fi.  They also need to let go of the time travel thing.  If I want time travel, I'll watch old Dr. Who episodes (which I loved, and wished that Fox had picked up after they made the T.V. movie).  They spend way too much time doing time related stuff, and then do it badly.  I cringe everytime I see them use the "quantum dating" thing.  Yes, this dates from the future!  How could it do that?  They would have to create a sensor built from knowledge of the overall structure of the passage of time, etc., and thus would know that travel through it is possible.  Just what is it dating?  It's not dating the age of the item, but rather the period in the overall landscape of time that the item comes from.  Thus they would have to know about elements that kling to items that come into existence during certain time periods or something.  The whole concept seems drastically flawed, and put in because they seem to be lazy writers who use techo-babble to cause the reasoning for action, rather than true reason, action, and dialogue.

It is for those reasons that the current crew should never be trusted to do a "retro-Trek" but should forever be vanquished to pushing ever further into the future and screwing it up as they go.  At least we'll have the past when things were relatively sane.  

[111wallace111]

The glory days of Trek are passed. The future seems uncertain. I don't think the series has much life left. But I am Thankfull for the history and the entertainment that it has brought for so many years.

If I were to hope for another series It would be TMP and produced by Nic Meyer. He seems to have a real feal for the Trek universe. The Wrath of Khan is a perfect example.  

OK OK Its wishfull thinking but That was a time when the adventure could be carried through and still have the "high Seas" feel like The Hornblower Stories.


111wallace111@msn.com  

Ignore the web page its not up anymore.  

[Johanobesus]

It's the poor story telling that's the problem.  The writing is just bad.  I believe B&B have stated that they don't know where the series is going.  They don't know who the future guy is.  They don't know any more about the temporal cold war than we do.  No wonder the writing is so bad.  With B5, the creator planned the basic story out before the series started.  Lucas had the story for Star Wars from the start.  Maybe he didn't have all the details worked out, but he knew Luke was going to face Palpatine in a throne room at the end.  B&B have no vision for Star Trek.  They have no plans for it.  It's just puttering along with no direction and no goals.  Now, this could work.  I, personally, am not a big fan of story arcs.  I thought DS9 was better before the Dominion War.  TOS was just fine without an arc, but it had (sometimes) good writing.  Doctor Who is my favorite Sci-Fi program, and it was almost an anthology.  The lack of quality story telling is what is killing Enterprise, especially with the "arc" that is supposed to be there.  I don't mind the inconsistencies so much.  If you look at TOS, there are all kinds of inconsistencies.  How long into the series was it before we heard about a UFP?  It was always the earth ship and earth men.  I think there was even a throw-away line about Vulcan being conquered.  I don't get too upset about the inconsistencies with Enterprise.  I would like a more primitive look to the show.  Nowadays there are basically two aesthetics for spaceships: organic and sleek and curved, or blocky and industrial looking.  I think something more like the Daedalus would, in a way, be more creative today.  But even that is not a deal breaker.  It's just the low quality.  

Where is the wonder, even disgust, when the crew encounters new aliens?  No matter how bizarre or new or unexpected, Archer and co. just take it in stride, rarely just stopping in awe.  As I remember, Picard was much more moved by the Dyson sphere than Archer was by his little sphere.  Granted, the Dyson Sphere was much larger, but Picard was more worldly.  There is no sense of wonder in this show.  No feeling of awe.  Maybe we as a society have lost our ability to wonder.  I recently read an anthology of Asimov's older works, and one thing that I kept thinking over and over is, "people wouldn't react that way."  Maybe, with all the Sci-Fi and special effects, we just don't have much awe left in us.  If so, then I guess we can't do any better with Star Trek.  

So to get to the question at hand, I say we let it die.  The people in charge of Star Trek just do not understand Sci-Fi and have no vision or imagination.  The franchise needs to get out of the rut it's in.  Maybe in a few years, under new leadership with creative writers, a TMP series could be made.  Maybe one base loosely on SFB and SFC.  I would like to know why the Organians didn't care about the Cardassian war or the Dominion war or the Borg.  

By the way, Emerald Edge, you should look up what they planned to do with the new Dr. Who.  After reading the "bible" for the proposed series, I am glad Fox dropped it.
 

[Klingon Fanatic]

Star Trek Excelsior would be cool, but let's have Captain Sulu move on and turn the ship over to new blood.

Paramaount SHOULD use its financial clout and buy the rights to many of the fan based ships out there. Lets use up as many of the parmount approved designs used in Trek games rather than recycle the same flipping ships over and over again (e.g., Regula One or ad nauseum Constitution variants...)

I'd love to see the K'teremny, the USS Churchill, the Ulysses class on the TV screen.

I would start the series a year or two after ST: VI, maybe in the opening scene we might see the Enterprise B or C in Utopia Planitia under construction..along with some FASA ships; lets go for the Andorian Blue Fleet while we are at it!

I'm not sure what direction it would take but I know where I'd end the series:

The Battle of Nerendra III with Melak Warbirds attacking the Enterprise C

Just my two cents.

KF

[Mentat Jon]

I say after Enterprise,let Trek Rest for 10 years, let it regenerate, the well is dry.  

[Silverstone]

I'm okay with Enterprise. I wish that more creativity would be invested into it, but overall, I can stand it. I will go as far as to say that its characters are likely the most dull of all the shows, though. Save for Trip, everyone reminds me of the mindless zombies from Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.  

After reading Serpents Among the Ruins, I'd also like to see an late 23rd-early 24th century show with that book as its basis. However, I wouldn't want the current writing team behind the project...

 

[Fire Blade]

bump

[sandman69247]

My vote is for TMP era. I mentioned this once before in a similar discussion, that there is a new series in the Trek line of books called "The Lost Era"; I read the 1st one and can't wait for the rest! It's set with Sulu and the Excelsior on a diplomatic mission to the Tholians and has all the intrigue and action that you could want. The series is supposed to take place from 2298 to 2350 or so IIRC. If not a Sulu/Excelsior storyline, then one that deals with a smaller ship. Maybe a Miranda/Soyuz class...still large enough for exploration and going "where no man has gone before", yet small enough that a battle isn't over after a few phaser shots and torpedos. It should also be more realistic in the away missions; I mean really, do you think the 1st to set foot on a new planet is going to be the senior staff? Hell no! The 1st ones will be the 24th century version of SEALS. I'm sure Columbus didn't row to shore on the 1st boat...more than likely it was the 3rd or 4th, after the "expendable" personell verified it was safe. Sure, sensor will tell you that the atmosphere is safe, that there sre no intelligent life signs in evidence...but what about other animals? The sensor will tell you that there is a life form down there, but whether or not it is dangerous is only knowable by meeting it and studying it. Send down a company of marines to scout the area and establish a LZ, then when the all clear is given 1 or 2 of the senior staff should go down with a crew of scientists. That way, the show could have a backup for when they're at a loss for a storyline involving the ship and senior crew..."Tonight episode finds UFPMC (United Federation of Planets Marine Corps) Capt. So and So and his company of space faring leathernecks fighting for survival on Planet X while the USS Whatever is prevented from sending aid or rescueing them due to severe ion storms in the atmosphere. Watch as the Marines use every trick in the book make it out alive. Tonight at 8pm on your Trek Station". Or something like that. There is so much that could be done with that era...especially to explain in detail what happened between TMP and TNG.

As for Enterprise, it's ok and like has been said, it's growing on me more and more, the same as TNG, DS9 and Voyager did. When I 1st saw TNG, I was pissed! They had totally screwed up Trek! In fact, I didn't watch it again until the last 2 seasons, then went back and watched the rest because it had become a "good" show. Hell, there are still episode that come on that I haven't seen, or only saw a little of. Same with DS9 and Voyager. I am glad they left the "ST" off of it though. It's Trek, but not Trek. I agree that B&B should leave, as they have stagnated. What they should do is bring in some of the authors of the Trek novels; there are some very good ones! Hey I know....William Shatner has written some good ones. Why not have him write a few storylines? Couldn't be any worse than what there is now.

Aliens. Yes, we need more non-humanoid aliens. Let's face it, we have no idea what ET really looks like, so you really have room to manuever(sp?). Why not an alien from an aquatic world? What would Dolphins look like if they had evolved to be the dominant intelligent species? Or dinosaurs? And no, I don't consider a humanoid Gorn as a viable alien reptile. In my mind, I see a Velociraptor.

If we have to, I could see dropping ST for a few years, if only to revive interest.

 

[Ducttapewonder]

Hmmm.....I like that idea Sandman. UFPMC (United Federation Of Planets Marine Corp).........Now there is an Idea that has yet to be tapped into. You would definately get action + a whole new angle to write stories from instead of the usual space exploration setting. From 2293 forward would seem to be the perfect setting, as it is a pretty turbulent time for galactic politics, with the Khitomer confrence bringing an uneasy peace between the feds and klinks, as well as opening up new areas to colonization....The perfect place to find Marines..........Throw the Roms in as the main villians trying to upset the new found peace between the Feds and Klinks.......+ lots of room for stories about problems on member worlds. Pirate Cartels, terrorism, etc. etc...........OR....Perhaps a behind the curtins angle. 23rd century James Bond scenario. Following an agent of the FIA (Federation Intelligence Agency)......................I for one would enjoy such a series that follows either of these ideas and think it would inject new life into a franchise that seems to be fresh out of new ideas.  

[starforce2]

Quote:
Perhaps "Star Trek, The Adventures of Captain John Hariman." But Star Trek: EXCELSIOR is the best idea to me! It even sounds cool.  

Who is Hariman?

[Fire Blade]

John Harriman is the Captain of the Enterprise B seen in Generations when Kirk Gets "Killed" by the Nexus

[Grim Reaper]

Quote:
Hmmm.....I like that idea Sandman. UFPMC (United Federation Of Planets Marine Corp).........Now there is an Idea that has yet to be tapped into. You would definately get action + a whole new angle to write stories from instead of the usual space exploration setting. From 2293 forward would seem to be the perfect setting, as it is a pretty turbulent time for galactic politics, with the Khitomer confrence bringing an uneasy peace between the feds and klinks, as well as opening up new areas to colonization....The perfect place to find Marines..........Throw the Roms in as the main villians trying to upset the new found peace between the Feds and Klinks.......+ lots of room for stories about problems on member worlds. Pirate Cartels, terrorism, etc. etc...........OR....Perhaps a behind the curtins angle. 23rd century James Bond scenario. Following an agent of the FIA (Federation Intelligence Agency)......................I for one would enjoy such a series that follows either of these ideas and think it would inject new life into a franchise that seems to be fresh out of new ideas.  

How bout the Starship troopers idea? Not a blockbuster but i found the idea not too bad

[Ducttapewonder]

Hows this for a rough idea for a show.

StarTrek UFPMC Sepcial Ops

TMP era

The Team:
An elite commando team, used for sensitive operations such as Anti-Terrorist ops, Prisoner Extrication, VIP protection, Infiltrating enemy facilities etc. etc.

Our leader. A Captain in the UFPMC. Human. Very duty bound yet compassionate and independant. Model him similar to Captain John Miller from Private Ryan.

His Second in command. Gunnery Sgt. SoAndSo. Andorian, with the attitude and demeanor of  R. Lee Ermey (The Drill Sgt.
from Full Metal Jacket). Proficient in all forms of combat, and naturally gung ho. Loyal to the captain, almost to a fault.

The Colonol. The man upstairs. Just sits around on the ship and directs things from there. An officer and a gentleman, who has done his own share of fighting in his time. Made it to the top the hard way. Would handle things on a theater level.

Starfleet Captain. The guy commanding the boat they flew in on. VERY by the book. A clone of Capt. Estabon (U.S.S. Grissom). Prides himself on being a stiff neck pain in the ass. Never bent a regulation in his life. Clashes with the UFPMC officers, sees tham as mindless grunts who are a little on the barbaric side. A double edge sword. He can be a great asset with his punctuality, or a liability with his rigid stance against breakin Starfleet protocal.


Secondary Charactors:

A few specialist marines, the best of the best. Like the comm officer, sniper, pilot, medic, etc. etc. Would fill those support roles.

Some Shipboard ppl. Bartender, Landing bay officer, civilian specialists etc etc.


Filler roles:

Jarheads
Pilots
Flight Crew
Starfleet crew


New Toys:

The Starship: A combat capable fast insertion troop carrier. Facilities for barricks, landing craft and equipment

The Landing Craft: A standard shuttle just wont do. This thing has to be baddass. Capable of carrying 12 Marines + Craft crew. Good atmospheric speed and manuverability, heavy mounted phaser cannons for strafing, side mounted medium phasers on manned turrets for LZ cover, small transporter pad, cloaking device for stealth insertions, ability to hover around a battlefield and lay down heavy fire.

New weapons: Standard hand phaser, phaser rifle, heavy pulse phaser (like a .30 cal machine gun), some bazooka and gernade style weapons.




Did I miss anything?

Who's with me?


   

[I_Mudd]

Cool....'Starship Troopers' mixed with 'Aliens' and a healthy dose of 'Trek' !  

I like it ! ( 'Robocop' thug with the big 'state of the art bang-bang' )

I_Mudd.

[Lieutenant_Q]

 

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 I mean by this is how would it have been to be aboard the Constellation as it engaged the planet killer or be part of the Klingon occupation force on Organia or been part of the task force sent to engage Enterprise during the M-5 trials.

Heh YES!  StarTrek: Excalibur!  We know how that one ends in season 2 or 3....

<Dramatic Music from TOS>

*Ship shudders*

"Those were FULL PHASERS! Shields are out!"

*Ship Shudders again*

"Evasive Maneuvers! Break Formation!"

Flash to outside as a Connie rolls end over end, Phasers baring into it, the NCC-1705 gets seared off by a phaser beam, followed shortly afterwards by the USS Excalibur and then the main bridge gets blown apart.

*Fade to black*

And despite what the *Official* Star Trek Website says, there is too much pointing to the fact that the Enterprise was the first Constitution class sihp built, so why would every other ship have a lower hull number, the Constellation is a problem, but that doesnt mean the rest of them have to fly in the face of it. The *Official* site has it labeled as the NCC-1664 but if you look at all the other ships, according to the hull numbers it means that the Enterprise was actually the LAST Connie built, which contradicts what they say on the same site.  sheesh  

Edit:  A question regarding this incident, was there ever a SFB mention of the Excalibur being recovered?  Seriously if a US Aircraft Carrier was lost in a Wargame, the American Public would be PISSED.  Did one of the ships tow the dead Excalibur to a secret Star Dock and tell the dock master to get the ship running again?  And did the dock master look at the ship and say, hmm, she's a CA right now, but with all the work that needs to be done on her, why not upgrade her to a CC?  Which would also give her an official reason for being out of service for the time of the repairs.

[Reverend]

Quote:
Perhaps a behind the curtins angle. 23rd century James Bond scenario. Following an agent of the FIA (Federation Intelligence Agency)......................I for one would enjoy such a series that follows either of these ideas and think it would inject new life into a franchise that seems to be fresh out of new ideas.  

Maybe a return of Gary Seven from Assignment: Earth.  

[NCC2012]

I agree with the Star Trek: Excelsior idea. I was hoping they'd do that a long time ago, but then they did Voyager instead. Then they decided to have another series, but we got Enterprise instead. That period of time after Star Trek 6 is practically untapped. Of course we'd need some people in charge of the license who actually gave a damn about the fans and their ideas. How about anyone here who wins a mega-jackpot in a lottery buys the Trek franchise if it's big enough?  

[Mainwaring]

Actually, you just plain can't go by registry numbers. They get re-used over and over. Look at the Enterprise itself. Every iteration has been 1701, with a letter extention. But it doesn't make all that much sense to use the letter extention, unless you happen to be making a TV show and helping the fans keep the iterations straight. So, The Enterprise could be the first production Constellation produced, but have a higher hull number, because the other ships had previous hulls commissioned before the first 1701 was. As for the Constellation herself... classes are typically named for the Prototype ship. But that's different than being the first production vessel. In fact, if I recall, the Constellation is 1700 and the Enterprise, being 1701, would naturally be the first ship commissioned right after her, and the first production vessel in the Constellation line.

It makes for a decent rationale, anyway.

[Mackie]

koenig + excelsior = roxor
ambassador + ncc-1701-c = r0x0r 2

[Desty_Nova]

Ducttape Wonder, I really like your idea. It sounds really interesting and cool, and wouldn't be so annoyingly PC as other trek shows. Plus, I'd like to believe the Federation isn't inept when it comes to fighting ground battles(something yet to be proven), and this idea for a show would be a great chance to show that.  

[Lieutenant_Q]

your point on the Enterprise is correct, why would they keep the same registry number and just add a letter?  The Constellation was actually 1071 and the only other hull number to shown on screen in TOS.  I know the off-screen reason for having it, but it is really odd.  They orginally used the 1701 because the numbers would be easy to read from a distance, no 8, or 6, or any number that could be confused for something else if the Model wasn't focused right.  So when they made the model for the Constellation, they simply reversed the number, so that they too could be seen from a distance, why? I dont know, the registry numbers of the Constellation were only shown I think 2 or 3 times the entire episode before they threw the Constellation into the maw of the planet killer.  Yes there are inconsistancies, but largely hull numbers have always (look at wet navies today) indicated which ships are older and which ones are newer.  But TOS threw things out on a regular basis, so in all honesty, im up for a new TOS.  Continuity-wise, you really cant use anything said in TOS, cause a not unsubstantial portion of gets contradicted later in the series anyway.  

[Ducttapewonder]

Bumpage  

[Magnum357]

Well, in my opinion, I think Star Trek is practically on lifesupport.  Apparently, I can't watch Enterprise even if I wanted too.  I guess the ratings are so bad, my local affiliate isn't running season 3 now, but I won't complain.  The show got worse and worse and I really didn't even consider the show Star Trek at all.  An alternate timeline at best.

As for a new series, I say wait several years until things calm down and some smarter people actually take over instead of beavis and Butthead.  But if you wanted to make a series fairly soon, I vote for TMP or this so called "lost era".  Most people here love the TMP era.  The ships look cool, the custums actually look futuristic, and the best part of all (thanks to the gread Star Trek Director Nic Meyer) serving in Star Fleet actually felt a little more Military and beleivable.  Not saying the Star Trek should be military, but I really find it kinda stupied seeing all these "Seven of nines" or "T'pols" in cat suits all the time.  Just doesn't seem beleivable.  It would be neat to have a show like this right after ST:VI on board the Excelcior, but I think he cast for that show might be getting a tad old to play a series (I forgot how old Takei is right now), maybe have the series based  10 years after ST6 where Sulu retires as admiral or something.  Or perhaps a whole new ship could be used, like a Centaur class ship, and we could see more ship designes based on Excelcior class components and such.  That would be really kinda neat.  

And best part of all, all this could easily be created by copying old bridge schmatics and sets from the TMP era.  I find it hard to beleive that it would not be easy to recreate a lot of this stuff based on TMP era SiFi art.  Heck, SFC did so well with its emphisis on TMP, maybe Paramont could win back a lot of its fans with a "Throw back era" series?  But if it was done, it MUST be based very closely on Star Trek Doctrine, otherwise what would be the point?

But as a safe move, I bet Paramont sets the time era after Voyager.  More then likely it could take place 20 years or more after Voyager (god, I hope they don't use those paja type uniforms you always see in Star Trek episodes of the future).  But I bet Paramount would wait 10 years before even attempting to continue on the series.

[Clark Kent]

I think I'd like to get a couple cents in here.  First of all, I like enterprise.  I don't love it, just like it, which is still more than I can say for most of the other stuff out there on TV right now.  I didn't like Voyager.  Still don't, but on occasion I'll be caught watching it cuz I'm bored.  It was way too PC, and I ended up disliking pretty much every character on it- especially Janeway and her outlandinsh favoritism to anyone that belonged to a special interest group.  She let the doctor get away with nearly killing everyone on the ship and disobeying her orders directly because he was a hollogram, she let the engineer get her job because she was rude, disobedient and just generally an unrelenting, moody bitch.  She let the first officer get away with anything he did, and even risk everyone's life for what might or might not be his baby, if it even really existed, but granted he was too weak of a character to try too much.  She let the borg damn near get away with murder because she was simply a hurt little girl that had been taken away from her family, but the helm guy got demoted and put in solitary confinement for adapting to her standards,adopting them as his own and trying to save an entire "world."  I really liked TNG, but the beginning few seasons really did suck.  But then, they were catering to the times, just like TOS did for their time, and BSG did for theirs.  
Enterprise is much like that- they are catering to the times, and trying to bring in fresh, new viewers.  True, a vulcan most likely would not be caught in a tight suit like that, and it is a contradiction to the Trek universe, but to be honest, I'm not complaining about getting to see her cleavage all the time.  I wish they'd to the same for Hoshi.  Anyone see that eppisode where Hoshi went through the venitlation system to let the weapons guy out of his room and lost her shirt?  BOOYAH!!!!!!  Where can I get uncensored outtakes of that?  I like the fact that the cast makes mistakes.  I don't like the ship- too big, too powerful, too advanced for the time.  COntrols et all are fine, but the phaser thingies seem a bit out of place, as is the transporter.  That was supposed to be something new in TOS, and here they have it decades before.  Nope, doesn't work for me.  I'm glad they don't use it that much.  No shields is a nice touch.  Don't like the revenge on the terrorist thing they have going on, but what you gonna do?  It's shameless, and poor taste, and uncreative, but I'm sure they are getting pressure from someone somewhere to do something tying it all in to the 9/11 attacks.  
Oh, BTW, anyone catch that one of these Xindi guys is a manitee type thing?  I thought that was cool.
New series?  Definately TMP, or shortly there after.  I say go with the Enterprise B and tell her stories.  Harriman (wasn't he in Ferris Bueller's day Off?) can be dumped if need be.  Just say he was there for Enterprise B's maiden voyage, or to run her through her paces before she was handed off to a more distinguished captain when she was put on active duty.  Been known to happen, and has even been established in the trek universe.
Ah yes, TMP (post first movie).  Excellent designs, all around.  They should be dusted off and used.  Great sets, use them.  The uniform idea.  TMP does something that I personally like very much.  Being in the military, I know full well about uniformity.  The army expects you to have your uniforms starched every day, so much so that they can nearly stand on their own.  The uniform of the day (everyday in fact)?  Battle Dress Uniform (BDU).  you know, those camiflauge uniforms you usually see reservists or guard guys in.  Starched up, they don't breath at all.  They hold in heat.  They absorb heat.  They are poorly designed.  They are expensive.  The boots suck- you need to get custom boots in order to be able to keep your feet in working order.  There is no diversity in unform, despite whatever need there may be, save for coveralls for mechanics, or pilots.  Uniformity is something I understand, but TMP took it to a new level.  Why should the security guys look the same as everyone else?  Give them some protective gear for god's sake.  Good thinking.  Why are the engineers in the same uniform as everyone esle?  Give them some gear suited to their needs.  I liked that alot, it made sense, looked good, and seemd to work well.  The characters could be a little more loose in that time frame, and be more themselves.  It wasn't all about PC, or obeying strict, poorly thought out orders.  They had some guts to them, and they didn't play the same kind of HS pass the brunette around to everyone type of BS.  Sure she had a cute face, but made that was one large, jiggly @$$.
Yep, That's what I'd like to see- Ent-B series.  Sulu is too old for this as a captain, and I'd rather see ENT-B, than his passed on to another captain.
CK  

[Fire Blade]

Yeah what i said

[Lieutenant_Q]

Something that I didn't consider until I went to the book store Yesterday.  Star Trek: New Frontier!  Has anyone here read Peter David's work?  I think its the best new ST series I've ever seen.  Take three Guest Stars and put them into starring roles, and build around them.  Captain Calhoun is definately an atypical Starship captain, more akin to Kirk than any of the more modern PC captains.  Not only is his books interesting, but I actually laugh out loud to his novels.  And its not this dumb crap that they keep putting on these stupid Sitcoms and Reality TV shows.  In his recent book he has the ship's computer call the Captain, in front of everyone on the bridge, a Bastard.  The circumstances surrounding the whole incident are a bit long, but he never seems to run out of original ideas (although i was worried there for a bit, he hasnt put out a book in almost a year and left the ship and crew in a very suspenseful postion)  I know that Andromeda is supposed to be the "comedic Science-Fiction" but New Frontier has all that and the "Star Trek" name to it.  If casting wasn't such a problem (I doubt Paramount could get Elizabeth Denhey to reprise her role as Commander Shelby) I wouldnt be surprised if Enterprise was Paramount's fall back plan, well, actually I would, since Berman and Braga seem to be stuck in their own little world right now.  

[Silverstone]

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Something that I didn't consider until I went to the book store Yesterday. Star Trek: New Frontier! Has anyone here read Peter David's work? I think its the best new ST series I've ever seen. Take three Guest Stars and put them into starring roles, and build around them. Captain Calhoun is definately an atypical Starship captain, more akin to Kirk than any of the more modern PC captains. Not only is his books interesting, but I actually laugh out loud to his novels. And its not this dumb crap that they keep putting on these stupid Sitcoms and Reality TV shows. In his recent book he has the ship's computer call the Captain, in front of everyone on the bridge, a Bastard. The circumstances surrounding the whole incident are a bit long, but he never seems to run out of original ideas (although i was worried there for a bit, he hasnt put out a book in almost a year and left the ship and crew in a very suspenseful postion) I know that Andromeda is supposed to be the "comedic Science-Fiction" but New Frontier has all that and the "Star Trek" name to it. If casting wasn't such a problem (I doubt Paramount could get Elizabeth Denhey to reprise her role as Commander Shelby) I wouldnt be surprised if Enterprise was Paramount's fall back plan, well, actually I would, since Berman and Braga seem to be stuck in their own little world right now.

Yes...yes. I've been reading New Frontier. In my opinion, a defining point of Star Trek is cleverly implemented sarcasm. NF has this in spades while still being quite believable. I particularly enjoy this series, more than even the DS9 relaunch, which is plausible material. Unfortunately, you're right about casting...as much as I'd love to see Denhey return to a role that she played so aptly or Ashley Judd's as the brilliant, but painfully jinxed Robin Lefler ten years older, that, particularly the latter, is at best, wishful thinking.

Nonetheless, it's a bit sad that Trek's novelists construct more enjoyable pieces than Berman. Talk about grounds for trading spaces...